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[Arturo]

Unless Twilight Princess really is before The Wind Waker, and Ganon returning from the "depths of the earth" in that game's backstory really meant "from death."
Which you could certainly argue for.

Only the English version says so. The Spanish one says he breaks the seal, while the others say he merely came back to Hyrule. But no deaths

[LionHarted]

Only the English version says so.

And your point is... what?

TWW is among the games in which things were purposely changed by higher-ups for the English version.

Edited by LionHarted, 23 April 2007 - 03:43 PM.

[Kairu Hakubi]

And Kairu, those were guards, not necessarily knights. But the knights almost certainly exist in OoT, probably within Hyrule Castle. The shield that Link uses is a shield used by knights.

... they were wearing knight armor. Come on! You're just nitpicking there. ^^' Meh.
Yeah, TP's ending does muck with things, but I think it's still vague enough to, oddly enough, fit-just-about-any-theory.. because the G-man's ending is the most vague it's ever been. I'm forced to wonder if it didn't go like this...
Writer A: Ganondorf HAS to be in this new game! It wouldn't be right to leave him out! Zant doesn't carry the story by himself!
Writer B: but.. his history is so convoluted already, how do we put him in?
Writer A: oh blah, he escapes from a seal, gets sealed somewhere else, escapes, comes out, gets sealed.. it's fine.
Writer B: mutter mutter.. I'm just gonna have him get killed and not show it. He's come back to life as many times as he's been sealed and unsealed.

[Arturo]

And your point is... what?

TWW is among the games in which things were purposely changed by higher-ups for the English version.

My point is that it's most likely to be a mistranslation. If five translations are done of the same text, and three of them say the same, they are most likely true.

And the English version of TWW contains some mistakes. For example, it says that Link went on a journey after OoT, something many people have interpreted as a reference to MM. But the rest of versions say he traveled through time, not through space, something that is perfectly consistent with OoT and with what the Hylian text of the intro says.

[Fyxe]

To be honest, though, I barely even remember what happened at the end. I recall dodging the bull/pig/whatever form, then the tedious horse chase, and then a boring and anti-climactic one-on-one sword fight.

You have no idea what consitutes a 'good game'.

And Ganondorf died, for fuck's sake.

If you can't REMEMBER the ending then you clearly didn't give a shit from start to finish.

TWW is among the games in which things were purposely changed by higher-ups for the English version.

SAUCE for baseless statements, please.

[LionHarted]

SAUCE for baseless statements, please.

They changed a bit of game content toward the end of the game during localization, a lot of it because Japanese players found it tedious. This would have been handled by localization and Miyamoto.

[FDL]

My point is that it's most likely to be a mistranslation. If five translations are done of the same text, and three of them say the same, they are most likely true.

And the English version of TWW contains some mistakes. For example, it says that Link went on a journey after OoT, something many people have interpreted as a reference to MM. But the rest of versions say he traveled through time, not through space, something that is perfectly consistent with OoT and with what the Hylian text of the intro says.

Oh, is that so? I'll have to keep that in mind. A while back DS claimed that line may have implied that the ToC at the end of OoT was from the adult time but if what you said is true then I guess it's even less likely that the ToC left Link when he went to Termina.

[The Missing Link]

They changed a bit of game content toward the end of the game during localization, a lot of it because Japanese players found it tedious. This would have been handled by localization and Miyamoto.

The Japanese player not finding Twilight Princess super-great has been a trend that has started quite a while back. Japanese players have gradually been abandoning the series while Western players have been flocking.

However, if you'd like to show otherwise, an interview would be appropriate evidence.

[garsh]

You have no idea what consitutes a 'good game'.

And Ganondorf died, for fuck's sake.

If you can't REMEMBER the ending then you clearly didn't give a shit from start to finish.

Well I definitely didn't care by the time I got to the end at any rate. The whole experience was little more constant disappointment interrupted by spectacular boss battles, except for the last one, of course. I know what's not a good game, and that's it. When Zelda's good again, I'll let you know.

Not that it really matters when Ganon's dead or not, he can and must resurrect as many times as it takes to try again. I wouldn't say that impacts the game's placement as much as the fact that he seems to be alive and outside the Dark World during what might be roughly the same time period as Link to the Past.

[Fyxe]

Well I definitely didn't care by the time I got to the end at any rate. The whole experience was little more constant disappointment interrupted by spectacular boss battles, except for the last one, of course. I know what's not a good game, and that's it. When Zelda's good again, I'll let you know.

I'm sorry, but you can be disappointed with the game, fine, but saying it's a bad game is utterly moronic. I've played quality games all of my life and TP is simply a far better game than, say, OoT.

[garsh]

I'm sorry, but you can be disappointed with the game, fine, but saying it's a bad game is utterly moronic. I've played quality games all of my life and TP is simply a far better game than, say, OoT.

I disagree. In my most honest and objective opinion, Ocarina of Time -- despite its myriad of glaring flaws -- is technically better designed and more fun. It also maybe the most overrated game ever, perhaps second only to Twilight Princess, or at least perhaps in due time.

Now if you have any further comments, criticisms or evaluations of my implied moron-hood directed solely to me that don't contribute to the actual topic, I think it would be awesome for everybody if you'd just PM them to me or something, but that's just a suggestion.

[Fyxe]

Oh ho. You mean you blatantly over-criticised the game and expected nobody to respond whatsoever? I don't see how your very subjective dislike of the final sequences of TP and your stubborn inability to even pay attention to the game you're actually playing contributes to the topic whatsoever.

And OoT is not better designed than TP, and the fact that it's 'more fun' is extremely subjective.

[Arturo]

garsh, you can't expect to be respected by other members if you just come and say that some game is a very bad game just because. Especially when there is a general consesnsus that it was an especially good game.

I don't say you are wrong or that it's "moronic" having that opinion. I just say that you cannot expect much more than what she said if you comment that way.

To be seen as an intelligent person, you usually have to back your statements.

Oh well, why exactly do I need to say this?

[garsh]

No thanks, I'm not interested in detailing what made it inferior, especially not in an inappropriate thread. Earning Internet forum respect and proving my intelligence aren't the goals of my posts, Arturo.

Fyxe, my negative comments were only side points in what I consider otherwise perfectly relevant posts. I said what I did to suggest reasons explaining why I didn't recall the ending well, aside from the fact that I finished the game last year and haven't played again. My comments succeeded in their purpose, evidently, since you picked up on what I was saying, but then it's as if you took it personally. Only my last post and this one are unrelated to the topic, and it's thanks to you.

Now instead of assisting you in derailing things further, I'll not be responding to anymore off topic comments directed toward me in this thread. So go ahead and tear me a new one, apparently it'll make you look really correct, intelligent, and everyone will respect you.

[Fyxe]

So go ahead and tear me a new one, apparently it'll make you look really correct, intelligent, and everyone will respect you.

I actually respond to a lot of people being fully aware that I'm likely to mostly annoy others rather than make them like me.

For instance, I am aware that this post is likely to annoy anyone who wants the topic to get back on topic.

I just can't leave certain things unsaid. That's the nub of it. o.o

[Arturo]

No thanks, I'm not interested in detailing what made it inferior, especially not in an inappropriate thread. Earning Internet forum respect and proving my intelligence aren't the goals of my posts, Arturo.

Ironically you just looked more intelligent and mature on this post.

It's not an objective being seen as intelligent, but I doubt it's your objective being seen as the opposite.

And if Fyxe is seen by some as intelligent (me, for exampel) isn't because of the way she insults, but for other reasons.

Now, please, Fyxe, garsh, go back on-topic.