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[Duke Serkol]

The Mario cartoons are another thing that needs to come back. I long for the days where Peach actually had a brain!

I remember I site had the Zelda ones for download... strange that the Mario ones would be so much harder to find.
Anybody knows at least of a place to get synopsis for each episode? (I could only find a very incomplete list)

Pokemon, while it paved the way for many, many more animes of a similar ilk, was still a proper video game anime in itself (and like F-Zero, Kirby and Sonic, it directly affected the series).

That's the problem with a Zelda anime. If they ever made one...
IT WOULD AFFECT THE SERIES. Animes can completely rewrite the canon.

Did that really happen to Kirby? (Yet?)

[Fyxe]

Did that really happen to Kirby? (Yet?)

Yes, in a fairly big way. I can't comment on Squeek Squad, but in Magical Mirror, Meta Knight was no longer a bad guy.

Also, the release of Nightmare In Dreamland was done as a tie in with the anime, as it is the game which the anime is most based upon.

Not that the enivitable crossover is always bad thing, as the anime signalled the return of Meta Knight's ship, the Halberd. I doubt it would appear in Brawl if it wasn't for that. Heck, Meta Knight himself might not have appeared if it wasn't for the anime giving him a voice and adding to his character (to be fair, he was never the most villianous of villians, so him being a good guy (or an anti-hero, at least) isn't too much of a stretch).

Edited by Fyxe, 27 February 2007 - 01:48 PM.

[SOAP]

I've never even heard of Pirates of Dark Water.

Before your time maybe.

Edited by SOAP, 27 February 2007 - 01:55 PM.

[SL the Pyro]

Actually, I don't think the Kirby games have anything to do with the Kirby anime. Evidence? Sure; the video-game Kirby has teeth, the anime one does not. There are other ways to prove this, but unfortunately I don't have them on me at the moment.

[Mystic Kitsune]

now even American cartoons are starting to look like cheap knock-offs of anime instead of being fresh and original.

Which what American cartoons used to be before this whole anime craze. Now you got stuff like Totally Spies and Teen Titans where everyone has big eyes and expressions.

Yes...oh god yes...I absolutely hate the cartoons like that.

I maen like if they went with OoT or TP, I'd like to see something kinad like Pirates of Dark Water. Not sure if that was an anime but the lead character was still pretty bishy and he didn't have to have big anime-ish in order to be considered such.

That would be pretty cool, and Pirates of Dark Water was pretty good.

I've never even heard of Pirates of Dark Water

You shall be punished

Edited by Mystic Kitsune, 27 February 2007 - 02:20 PM.

[Fyxe]

Actually, I don't think the Kirby games have anything to do with the Kirby anime. Evidence? Sure; the video-game Kirby has teeth, the anime one does not. There are other ways to prove this, but unfortunately I don't have them on me at the moment.

I'm not saying that the anime actually fits within the video game 'timeline' or canon, but it HAS affected the series quite profoundly, and a lot of the backstory is now taken directly from the anime.

Besides, I don't remember seeing Kirby with teeth in any of the recent games. Then again, I don't remember *ever* seeing Kirby with teeth.

Edited by Fyxe, 27 February 2007 - 02:26 PM.

[Duke Serkol]

a lot of the backstory is now taken directly from the anime.

It is? How do you tell?

And yeah, MetaKnight has always been an ambivalent figure. Even in his "Revenge" game, he wanted to take over Dream Land simply because he did not approve of its lazy life style... and in Adventure he was helping to keep the Nightmare imprisoned (yet helped Kirby with power ups because he knew if Kirby could defeat him then he'd have a fair chance against nightmare too... or so I assume)

However I'm afraid that DreamLanders looking just like Kirby (as per DreamLand's ending) may no longer be the case (Dreamlanders as Cappys is -so- retarded >_<)

[SnowsilverKat]

I might be behind on the whole Kirby canon thing, but weren't Lololo and Lalala and Wispy Woods enemy bosses in the original Game Boy game?

...and weren't Lololo and Lalala also originally in their own games? I remember a HAL Labs NES game called 'Adventures of Lolo' starring...well...a lil blue guy and a lil pink girl.

And just to stay on topic, I agree with that 'dream' version of Wind Waker - that would be really cool!

[Fyxe]

It is? How do you tell?

I think it's been mentioned in a manual or something that Meta Knight is a Star Warrior, same with Kirby.

And yeah, MetaKnight has always been an ambivalent figure. Even in his "Revenge" game, he wanted to take over Dream Land simply because he did not approve of its lazy life style... and in Adventure he was helping to keep the Nightmare imprisoned (yet helped Kirby with power ups because he knew if Kirby could defeat him then he'd have a fair chance against nightmare too... or so I assume)

Interestingly, Meta Knight does not help Kirby in the remake. So that's been somewhat retconned. For whatever reason.

However I'm afraid that DreamLanders looking just like Kirby (as per DreamLand's ending) may no longer be the case (Dreamlanders as Cappys is -so- retarded >_<)

Okay, so it makes it weird that Kirby was bashing Cappys around previously, but the fact that all the people looked like Kirby was really weird and kinda... Well, lame. It also made Meta Knight's similarity to Kirby less significant.

SnowsilverKat, I don't know about Lololo and Lalala. Apparently the ones in the game of their own are actually different, because they're Lolo and Lala and not Lololo and Lalala. I really don't know, though. o.o

Nowadays when Wispy Woods appears (or Dedede for that matter), they usually only fight Kirby because they become possessed or tricked (or Kirby has been tricked). Actually, it's been that way since the original game, mostly.

[Splash]

However, you forget that Yu-Gi-Oh is a rip-off of the concept that Pokemon started. As far as I know, Pokemon came first, before both of those animes, at least in the West.

Besides, there are plenty of other childish, long-running animes that aren't based on collecting and battling, namely Naruto and Dragon Ball Z. Pokemon, while it paved the way for many, many more animes of a similar ilk, was still a proper video game anime in itself (and like F-Zero, Kirby and Sonic, it directly affected the series).

That's the problem with a Zelda anime. If they ever made one...
IT WOULD AFFECT THE SERIES. Animes can completely rewrite the canon.

Yeah, you're completely right. ^^; I concede.

[Chiaki]

Bringing back a Zelda TV show would be awesome, but it would HAVE to be an anime. American Zelda creations just don't do it justice.
One thing I was discussing with a friend...if they made a movie, it would be hard to pull off a live-action one, so we decided that a CGed one would be best. I also brought up that with an animated or CGed movie or anime would also be awesome if the voices were spoken in Hylian. Forget the English version/Japanese version wars, lets just hear the animated Hyrulean people speaking their language! XD
Also, a Zelda anime would probably be violent enough that 4 Kids (coughcough4Shamecough) wouldn't touch it, so hopefully no butchering of a perfectly good anime.
As for which game it would be based off...it would be cool if, ultimately, they made one to go with each game, but I think OoT or TP would be the most likely, at least to start with.

[Duke Serkol]

I think it's been mentioned in a manual or something that Meta Knight is a Star Warrior, same with Kirby.

Maybe it's in the manual for Nightmare in Dreamland, that's the only recent Kirby game I don't own (because I hate it... it defeats the point of a remake when the original plays better)

Interestingly, Meta Knight does not help Kirby in the remake. So that's been somewhat retconned. For whatever reason.

Perhaps they thought it was confusing if he sent his minions to stop you and at the same time helped you out. Which was one of the things that made MetaKnight enigmatic and intriguing really.
Interestingly, this does not help reconcile with the anime, on the contrary, it makes him look less friendly to Kirby then he was before
...and he still slaughters Cappys in large quantities.

the fact that all the people looked like Kirby was really weird and kinda... Well, lame. It also made Meta Knight's similarity to Kirby less significant.

I don't really feel that way. I liked how Kirby was essentially like the Link of LoZ: a wanderer who, unlike the other Dreamlanders, had the willpower to stand against Dedede. Not a speech incapacited super hero from space... ew.
And I never really saw a connection between the two characters, other than being two non-lazy Dreamlanders, one who'd stand for his people and their way of life (especially since we know Link also loves eating and napping) and the other who loathes what he is and wears a mask to hide it as he strives to change the society of his homeland (by force, even).
I think that was a little better than Space Rangers (yeah I know, that's not thier lable... but that's just it anyway, isn't it?)

SnowsilverKat, I don't know about Lololo and Lalala. Apparently the ones in the game of their own are actually different, because they're Lolo and Lala and not Lololo and Lalala. I really don't know, though. o.o

Yep, I think that was always supposed to be some tongue in cheek joke. They are not even the only Hal hero that appeared as a villain in a Kirby game.

[Fyxe]

Interestingly, this does not help reconcile with the anime, on the contrary, it makes him look less friendly to Kirby then he was before

Except that it never made much sense, and it makes even less sense that he did both if we know Meta Knight was trying to protect the land. At least originally it made some sense because we assumed Meta Knight had his own agenda.

I don't really feel that way. I liked how Kirby was essentially like the Link of LoZ: a wanderer who, unlike the other Dreamlanders, had the willpower to stand against Dedede. Not a speech incapacited super hero from space... ew.

Kirby's never really spoken. o.o But he's still a member of the land in the anime, the Cappys are very lazy and ineffectual.

And I never really saw a connection between the two characters, other than being two non-lazy Dreamlanders, one who'd stand for his people and their way of life (especially since we know Link also loves eating and napping) and the other who loathes what he is and wears a mask to hide it as he strives to change the society of his homeland (by force, even).

But Meta Knight never really had much of a backstory. He began as a friend of Dedede (or someone employed by him) and then suddenly turned into a supervillian with a ship for no apparent reason. It makes sense that he's a Star Warrior, and that the Halberd was actually created to help him. He still obviously went through a phase where he tried to take over Dream Land, just because he's less of a villian now doesn't make Revenge Of Meta Knight 'uncanon'. If it was uncanon, the Halberd wouldn't have returned.

It looks like he'll be reprising his villianous tendancies in Brawl.

I think that was a little better than Space Rangers (yeah I know, that's not thier lable... but that's just it anyway, isn't it?)

Well, I always thought there was a hint to a connection between Kirby and Meta Knight. Like, a brother connection or something. I'm glad it was given some actual answer, rather than just leaving Meta Knight as a 'dark Kirby'. Considering we only see the other Kirbies in the first game and never again, I'm not sure if it was every particularly canon that Kirby was just one of many.

Besides, in the anime, Kirby's backstory was actually pretty damn cool. He was a universe destroying monster that went wrong and ended up being good. That's just neat.

[SOAP]

Bringing back a Zelda TV show would be awesome, but it would HAVE to be an anime. American Zelda creations just don't do it justice.
One thing I was discussing with a friend...if they made a movie, it would be hard to pull off a live-action one, so we decided that a CGed one would be best. I also brought up that with an animated or CGed movie or anime would also be awesome if the voices were spoken in Hylian. Forget the English version/Japanese version wars, lets just hear the animated Hyrulean people speaking their language! XD
Also, a Zelda anime would probably be violent enough that 4 Kids (coughcough4Shamecough) wouldn't touch it, so hopefully no butchering of a perfectly good anime.
As for which game it would be based off...it would be cool if, ultimately, they made one to go with each game, but I think OoT or TP would be the most likely, at least to start with.

Yeah maybe Zelda would do better with an anime since it is a Japanese game. I just get annoyed that everything resorts to anime or anything japanese in order to be considered good quality. Anime's alright but where's the love for our own soil?

[Duke Serkol]

Except that it never made much sense, and it makes even less sense that he did both if we know Meta Knight was trying to protect the land. At least originally it made some sense because we assumed Meta Knight had his own agenda.

Well, it still is his first in game appearence, retconned as it may be. But it does make sense, since MetaKnight apparently wants to give Kirby a chance. Sealing the Nightmare within the Fountain of Dreams was hardly an ideal solution anyway.

Kirby's never really spoken. o.o

Well, he says "Hi" in Smash Bros... and he spoke a whole lot in one of the puzzle games (Ghost Trab/Avalanche... the Puyo Puyo clone)
But that's not the point. The thing is, the game always depict Kirby as being able to make his opinion known fairly easily, just as characters like Link, Ness, Crono etc.
The cartoon makes him as puzzling as an infant.

But he's still a member of the land in the anime, the Cappys are very lazy and ineffectual.
...
Besides, in the anime, Kirby's backstory was actually pretty damn cool. He was a universe destroying monster that went wrong and ended up being good. That's just neat.

Aren't those affirmation contradictory? (I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm honestly confused ^^")
And wasn't that Gooey's background? (The universe destroying monster helping Kirby in DreamLand 3)

But Meta Knight never really had much of a backstory. He began as a friend of Dedede (or someone employed by him) and then suddenly turned into a supervillian with a ship for no apparent reason. It makes sense that he's a Star Warrior, and that the Halberd was actually created to help him. He still obviously went through a phase where he tried to take over Dream Land, just because he's less of a villian now doesn't make Revenge Of Meta Knight 'uncanon'. If it was uncanon, the Halberd wouldn't have returned.

Of course it's not uncanon. Rather the whole Star Warrior thing I'm not sure is really canon yet. And hey, since when do villains need a reason for getting cool warships?

It looks like he'll be reprising his villianous tendancies in Brawl.

Yay

Well, I always thought there was a hint to a connection between Kirby and Meta Knight. Like, a brother connection or something. I'm glad it was given some actual answer, rather than just leaving Meta Knight as a 'dark Kirby'. Considering we only see the other Kirbies in the first game and never again, I'm not sure if it was every particularly canon that Kirby was just one of many.

Well, I still like the MetaKnight as dissatisfied DreamLander ashamed of his own cuteness background.
Oh and while not as outright as DreamLand's ending, I think the origina manual for Adventure also suggested that Kirby was a regular inhabitant (besides his heroic spirit and perhaps the copy ability, which I originally assumed had been granted to him by the stars at the end of Dreamland... but that'd be fanon, of course).

By the way, I want to apologize to SOAP for going off-topic... but look at it this way: if Zelda gets a new Japanese carton, this is what future debates would be like. We're giving you a sample!

Edited by Duke Serkol, 28 February 2007 - 08:32 AM.

[Fyxe]

Well, it still is his first in game appearence, retconned as it may be. But it does make sense, since MetaKnight apparently wants to give Kirby a chance. Sealing the Nightmare within the Fountain of Dreams was hardly an ideal solution anyway.

Well, true. It's not a major problem either way. However, I should note that Meta Knight has his wings in the remake, and you can PLAY as him, which is just spiffy.

Well, he says "Hi" in Smash Bros... and he spoke a whole lot in one of the puzzle games (Ghost Trab/Avalanche... the Puyo Puyo clone)
But that's not the point. The thing is, the game always depict Kirby as being able to make his opinion known fairly easily, just as characters like Link, Ness, Crono etc.
The cartoon makes him as puzzling as an infant.

I forgot about the 'Hi', but he does learn to make vague sounds like that in the anime. I think him talking in Avalanche was weird. o.o

But I think the idea in the anime was that he *begins* as infant-like in personality, but as the series continues, he develops, discovers his mission and becomes much more proactive in his actions and opinions.

Aren't those affirmation contradictory? (I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm honestly confused ^^")
And wasn't that Gooey's background? (The universe destroying monster helping Kirby in DreamLand 3)

Well, just because he came from space, doesn't mean he didn't grow up in Dream Land. So he's still a long-standing member of the populace. And Gooey's background was that he was a bit of Dark Matter... I'm not sure why he was good. But Kirby's background in the anime was that Nightmare created him. Nightmare creates all the demons and monsters and is essentially the source of evil. But Nightmare made a mistake when he created Kirby. Kirby was meant to be something that could essentially destroy everything, but he didn't follow Nightmare's orders.

Of course it's not uncanon. Rather the whole Star Warrior thing I'm not sure is really canon yet. And hey, since when do villains need a reason for getting cool warships?

I'm fairly sure the Star Warrior thing is canon now. There's stuff in the F-Zero anime that has become canon...
And you have a point, but he's not *that* much of a proper villian. Still, if anyone was gonna have a cool warship, it'd be Meta Knight. o.o

Well, I still like the MetaKnight as dissatisfied DreamLander ashamed of his own cuteness background.

That's fine, but it was never confirmed that it was his motive base, of course.

Oh and while not as outright as DreamLand's ending, I think the origina manual for Adventure also suggested that Kirby was a regular inhabitant

I've always assumed that there's no 'regular inhabitants' of Dream Land. Dedede is a regular inhabitant, but he's a crazy meglomaniac penguin with a hammer. Waddle Dees are regular inhabitants, but they're not like Cappys or anything else. So 'regular inhabitant' just means... Someone who lives there all the time. So Kirby is and always has been one.

[Raien]

On topic, I think an adaption of the FSA manga would be fantastic, but not as a cartoon. Cartoons revolve around a general repetition of events, despite a progressive storyline (ex. good guys walk somewhere, bad guys attack good guys, good guys win and move on), so they would be unsuitable for the storyline in FSA manga.

If anything, the FSA manga would be a much better basis for the much-speculated Zelda movie (although I'm thinking CGI). Although I personally would make some adaptive changes to improve the storyline, such as removing force gems, shrine maidens, royal jewels (all three were pointless in the manga), Tingle and introducing an incredible Triforce plot twist and Ganondorf (in the form of a phantom ) to talk with Zelda. Also, make the final battle more exciting than in the manga. That would be the most awesome Zelda film ever made!

I will be really disappointed if a Zelda movie is made to the core plotline of a single Zelda game without proper adaptations to the film structure. It would be too linear and lack any complexity to make the film interesting.

Edited by jhurvid, 28 February 2007 - 09:23 AM.

[Duke Serkol]

in the remake, and you can PLAY as him, which is just spiffy.

Yep. Too bad it's not possible to save when you do though
That was actually what made me decide not to buy the game but just emulate it, since it would playe better on an emulator with save states anyway.

Gooey's background was that he was a bit of Dark Matter... I'm not sure why he was good. But Kirby's background in the anime was that Nightmare created him. Nightmare creates all the demons and monsters and is essentially the source of evil.

Man I sure hope that never makes it into canon. Anyway, has Dark Matter appeared in the show?

I'm fairly sure the Star Warrior thing is canon now. There's stuff in the F-Zero anime that has become canon...

but they are very picky about what gets made into canon, aren't they? Like with that Super Metroid Nintendo Power comic of which they only took some aspects.

Waddle Dees are regular inhabitants, but

Ah yes, I keep forgetting, but those seen from behind in the ending of DreamLand could be Waddle Dees... which still doesn't seem what the game implies since you've been cannibalizing them for the whole thing, but it'd still be better than Cappys

[SOAP]

By the way, I want to apologize to SOAP for going off-topic... but look at it this way: if Zelda gets a new Japanese carton, this is what future debates would be like. We're giving you a sample!

Hon', I've been going to LA for almost three years now, possibly more. I'm used to off-topic discussions by now.

[Raien]

It's annoying when someone does post something on-topic (like I did two posts back), it just gets ignored even by the people who aren't being off-topic.

[SOAP]

Ah sorry. I just didn't have much to add to your post. Though when I was referring to the FSA manga, I was referring more to the art style, than the story. If the story could be somehow adapted into a serial format, then by all means. If not, maybe something loosely based off the game, such as the four colored Links running around Hyrule, working together to defeat baddies and help random people plagued by Shadow Link. The overall story could remain in the background with Vaati and Ganondorf being behind all the troubles in Hyrule and the Links are working their way to reach Vaati as the series progress.

[Raien]

Ah sorry. I just didn't have much to add to your post. Though when I was referring to the FSA manga, I was referring more to the art style, than the story. If the story could be somehow adapted into a serial format, then by all means. If not, maybe something loosely based off the game, such as the four colored Links running around Hyrule, working together to defeat baddies and help random people plagued by Shadow Link. The overall story could remain in the background with Vaati and Ganondorf being behind all the troubles in Hyrule and the Links are working their way to reach Vaati as the series progress.

Having four Links is better than one, because you then develop a TMNT complex which allows the main characters to bounce off each other, instead of simply creating a couple of annoying hangers-on, like Pokemon for example. Ash was the "Hero" and Misty and Brock followed him. BOORING!

What I do think is very important is the portrayal of Zelda. Zelda is not a fighter, so her strength in spirit must be emphasised, to show she is fighting her own battles against darkness. That is why I was thinking of including a Triforce sidestory, to give the bad guys reason for keeping her alive (only she knows the location of the Sacred Realm, but that location is the plot twist ).

Edited by jhurvid, 28 February 2007 - 10:48 AM.

[spunky-monkey]

If anything, the FSA manga would be a much better basis for the much-speculated Zelda movie (although I'm thinking CGI). Although I personally would make some adaptive changes to improve the storyline, such as removing force gems, shrine maidens, royal jewels (all three were pointless in the manga), Tingle and introducing an incredible Triforce plot twist and Ganondorf (in the form of a phantom ) to talk with Zelda. Also, make the final battle more exciting than in the manga. That would be the most awesome Zelda film ever made!

I will be really disappointed if a Zelda movie is made to the core plotline of a single Zelda game without proper adaptations to the film structure. It would be too linear and lack any complexity to make the film interesting.

I dread the day a Zelda movie is confirmed. The producers, company or whoever is responsible is almost certainly going to mess it up and no matter how enthusiastic or naive we may be, deep down we all know a commercial flop is the cold harsh reality of games-to-movie conversions. Currently, these games are generally regarded as the epitome of the genre but a lousy movie would disgrace the franchise as audiences will hereafter associate the film as a "summary" of all the existing titles and their own stories.

This is very annoying. Anyone remember Biohazard/Resident Evil 1 & 2? The first two games defined survival-horror until they made that action-flick 'film' (I prefer to call it an abomination) based in Raccoon City everyone else thought those gamers who said "how frightening of an experience it was" were idiots.

I can promise you any movie will be nothing like the games; the prime example of this is how well that Super Mario movie fared. *shudders*

Edited by Ricky, 28 February 2007 - 12:57 PM.

[Raien]

I dread the day a Zelda movie is confirmed. The producers, company or whoever is responsible is almost certainly going to mess it up and no matter how enthusiastic or naive we may be, deep down we all know a commercial flop is the cold harsh reality of games-to-movie conversions. Currently, these games are generally regarded as the epitome of the genre but a lousy movie would disgrace the franchise as audiences will hereafter associate the film as a "summary" of all the existing titles and their own stories.

I know exactly what you mean, but I do think it is possible to make a good movie if you work with the FSA manga as a basis. It's the only good storyline that I've seen based on the franchise.

This is very annoying. Anyone remember Biohazard/Resident Evil 1 & 2? The first two games defined survival-horror until they made that action-flick 'film' (I prefer to call it an abomination) based in Raccoon City everyone else thought those gamers who said "how frightening of an experience it was" were idiots.

Resident Evil could have done better as film noir, rather than standard horror. Set the storyline at the Spencer Mansion in the years before the "mansion incident". Show the different characters like Wesker, Birkin, Ada and of course, Lisa Trevor.

[Duke Serkol]

no matter how enthusiastic or naive we may be, deep down we all know a commercial flop is the cold harsh reality

A movie can be a commercial failure and still be worthwhile to a niche market of viewers (like hardcore fans of the game it's based of). But...

I can promise you any movie will be nothing like the games; the prime example of this is how well that Super Mario movie fared. *shudders*

I do believe that would be the case. They'd probably come up with all sort of crazy shit like making Ganondorf Zelda's brother or casting the Gorons in the role of Moblins...

Anyone remember Biohazard/Resident Evil 1 & 2? The first two games defined survival-horror until they made that action-flick 'film' (I prefer to call it an abomination) based in Raccoon City everyone else thought those gamers who said "how frightening of an experience it was" were idiots.

Well, I always sorta felt that way, long before the movies came about. I mean, I can't honestly find anything frightening in RE. I have much more appreciation for Silent Hill. The games, not the movie, of course (which is another fine example of screwing up everything... at least the second half).
With that said, I agree that RE movies shouldn't be action oriented. Lots of shooting sure, but not with crazy speed or interspersed kung fu moves.
But I still like the first one. It had the smart idea of making an all new story, which allowed them to make something that could sorta fit with canon. I actually consider it the best videogame movie (though that is not saying much, naturally)

Edited by Duke Serkol, 28 February 2007 - 08:05 PM.

[SOAP]

I thought the Silent Hill movie was pretty good. A little too much explaining at the end. At least assume the audience is intelligent enough to follow most of the clues throughout the movie. Also, that once biatch of a chick getting a anally raped by barbed wires a bit much. But other than that, it was pretty faithful to the games and was a pretty good movie overall. Even if it was a slight lesbian fantasy for pervy straight guys.

[Raien]

I thought the Silent Hill movie was pretty good. A little too much explaining at the end. At least assume the audience is intelligent enough to follow most of the clues throughout the movie. Also, that once biatch of a chick getting a anally raped by barbed wires a bit much. But other than that, it was pretty faithful to the games and was a pretty good movie overall. Even if it was a slight lesbian fantasy for pervy straight guys.

I thought Silent Hill was a good film as well. Then again, I also enjoyed the Super Mario Bros movie. Who cares how close it was to the video games? It was typical 1980s zaniness and I loved it.

In my opinion, the problem with film adaptations of video games is that the directors are not using the videogames as true storyline inspiration, merely playing with nostalgia. Resident Evil, for example, randomly took concepts from the games and made a bog-standard zombie shooter, and then made two sequels based on the same premise. If directors want to get anywhere, they have to ask "what was special about the game storyline?" and then apply that storyline into the appropriate form for the cinema audience, which is not necessarily related to any of the games or the gameplay.

The strength of Zelda's storyline is the way that it networks a variety of definitions revolving around the concepts of good and evil and applies it to a fantasy background, which creates a series of emotionally powerful characters. The relationship between these characters allows for plot twists and interesting conversation. With FSA's manga as a basis, a film that can take advantage of these strengths would surely be great.

[SOAP]

Wow! Someone else that actually likes the Mario movie. I thought I was the only one in the universe!

From from what I've read, the director for the Silent Hill movie actually does care about game storylines. I don't know how good his effort was since I haven't played much of the games but I think if more directors were like him, maybe game-based movies won't be such a laughing stock.

Also, maybe I'm just crazy but I loved the DOOM movie too. The first person sequence was just awesome!

[Raien]

Wow! Someone else that actually likes the Mario movie. I thought I was the only one in the universe!

It doesn't take much more than taking off your Mario fanboy cap to enjoy the film for what it is.

From from what I've read, the director for the Silent Hill movie actually does care about game storylines. I don't know how good his effort was since I haven't played much of the games but I think if more directors were like him, maybe game-based movies won't be such a laughing stock.

Also, maybe I'm just crazy but I loved the DOOM movie too. The first person sequence was just awesome!

I actually have yet to see DOOM, but I've heard it's an alright film. I agree about Silent Hill's director, but it helped that he had a good storyline to work with (I presume). I mean, what storyline material do you really have to work with something like Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat?

[spunky-monkey]

I know exactly what you mean, but I do think it is possible to make a good movie if you work with the FSA manga as a basis. It's the only good storyline that I've seen based on the franchise.

That would be great for us Zelda fans, even some anime roughly following FSA would be acceptable, but would this be the ideal game to base a first movie on for newcomers? It's kind of a quantum leap for people to see four Links (five including Shadow Link) right from the beginning.

I do believe that would be the case. They'd probably come up with all sort of crazy shit like making Ganondorf Zelda's brother or casting the Gorons in the role of Moblins...

AAAHH! That's way too horrible to imagine! >_<

Well, I always sorta felt that way, long before the movies came about. I mean, I can't honestly find anything frightening in RE. I have much more appreciation for Silent Hill. The games, not the movie, of course (which is another fine example of screwing up everything... at least the second half).

Granted that Silent Hill was creepy but remember back in the day RE was very cinematic and gory but none of that was displayed anywhere in either movie, the dark atmosphere with zombies slowly overrunning the Police Station as the characters barely escape was not beyond the film's ability to capture; point is that if a Zelda movie was put together it too would be badly rushed.

Edited by Ricky, 01 March 2007 - 02:16 PM.