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[FDL]

I replayed the ending of TP yesterday and I noticed something that I hadn't noticed before. After Ganondorf says his final thing and appears to die, his wound stops glowing or dripping, turning into a regular hole. This may not really mean anything, but it might. It appears to me that the glowing wound was actually a good thing for Ganondorf, and may have been why he was known as the "King of light and shadow", rather than than the King of Darkness, as he is known in OoT, FSA, and ALttP. I mean, he's still the "Dark Lord" according to his boss description, but the fact that the light dissapears must mean something, even if it's just that the sverity of the wound is less than once thought.

[Raien]

Ganondorf referred to himself as the king of light and shadow because he had, in his own mind, conquered the realms of light and shadow. It's as simple as that.

[Fyxe]

I don't think we should take the titles characters are given *too* literally, after all, Zant was referred to as the King of Darkness before and after we learnt his name.

As for the wound, I think the lack of glow mainly signifies that he's dead. The reason the wound glowed is because he was speared with that sword of light. You'll notice that the same eerie green glow was on Beast Ganon's jeweled forehead. I think it mainly signifies his weak spots. Was Ganon getting power from light, thanks to the Triforce of Power? Hard to say. Or was his remaining wound just making him vulnerable? I think that's more likely.

Once Ganon is dead, then there's no life left for the wound to weaken. So it just fades and becomes a normal wound, I guess.

[Mad Scrub]

I think the wound glowed because the ToP was keeping him alive. When Ganondorf was defeated by Link and the blade of evils bane and discovered he could no longer inhabit Zant's body, the ToP realized it's host was now dead and shut down.

[Hero of Legend]

Remember that the Master Sword is a magic-repelling sword. It can repulse any power, including the sages' and the Triforce's. In other words, the wound probably stopped glowing because of the same reason the Triforce of Power faded and Ganondorf died - the blade of evil’s bane didn't like any of them.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 21 February 2007 - 05:39 PM.

[Mad Scrub]

That's more or less what I said .

[Hero of Legend]

Well, except the parts about the wound glowing because of the ToP, Ganondorf's relation to Zant, and the 'ToP shutting down' (I think 'energy sucked out' would be more appropriate). And since when have people not posted the same things over and over on this forum?

Edited by Hero of Legend, 21 February 2007 - 05:55 PM.

[Crazy Penguin]

Remember that the Master Sword is a magic-repelling sword. It can repulse any power, including the sages' and the Triforce's.

Where was this established? As far as I'm aware it's only been referred to as an "evil banishing blade".

[Hero of Legend]

I know it is mentioned in ALttP, and outside of NoA's bogus manual translation at that. Besides, it is obvious it works against other forms of magic, such as the Triforce's, which it was made to defeat in the first place, anyway.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 21 February 2007 - 07:46 PM.

[Fyxe]

In ALttP, it doesn't specifically banish evil, it just repels the magic of the Triforce.

[FDL]

The original Japanese appears to imply that it was made to defend the Triforce, not defeat it.

[Raien]

Despite how the Master Sword was defined in ALTTP, we have never seen it once dispel the power of the Triforce; not even in ALTTP. Ganondorf is the evil that the Master Sword strikes. His power is the evil magic (Darkness) that the Master Sword cleaves. When the Master Sword strikes Ganondorf, the Master Sword weakens him because he is evil. Diverting that attention to the Triforce of Power defeats the point of the Master Sword being the "blade of evil's bane". To affect the Triforce of Power would mean that the ToP would itself have to be evil, a concept that has never been supported in the game script either.

Edited by jhurvid, 21 February 2007 - 08:03 PM.

[Fyxe]

In ALttP, the blade was specifically made to repel the Triforce's magic, not just evil, I believe. This is why it reflects Agahnim's magic.

[Hero of Legend]

The original Japanese appears to imply that it was made to defend the Triforce, not defeat it.

Yes, but it was also made to vanquish those evil ones who did obtain it (and it evidently does), so by extension, it does repel the Triforce's magic.

Despite how the Master Sword was defined in ALTTP, we have never seen it once dispel the power of the Triforce; not even in ALTTP.

But in TP.

Ganondorf is the evil that the Master Sword strikes. His power is the evil magic (Darkness) that the Master Sword cleaves. When the Master Sword strikes Ganondorf, the Master Sword weakens him because he is evil.

Oh shut up about that darkness crap for once. It's not a fact, and nobody but you believes in it.

Diverting that attention to the Triforce of Power defeats the point of the Master Sword being the "blade of evil's bane". To affect the Triforce of Power would mean that the ToP would itself have to be evil, a concept that has never been supported in the game script either.

Except it still makes sense if the MS works especially well against evil powers - Which is what the Triforce would be anyway if it was used for evil, since, you know it doesn't make a difference between the two.

WTF, juhurvid's idea isn't the only one possible?!? OMG, denial!

Edited by Hero of Legend, 21 February 2007 - 08:35 PM.

[Duke Serkol]

In ALttP, it doesn't specifically banish evil, it just repels the magic of the Triforce.

Now I could be mistaken, but the way I remember it, we were told that for the instance in which an evil person was to abuse of the Triforce, the Master Sword was created with the power to repel evil.
From that it is certainly possible to infer that it also can block the magic of the Triforce since what good would it be otherwise against one armed with its omnipotent might?
And let's not forget that the Master Sword, like the Sages seal which the triforce could not breach, is empowered by the Sages' prayers to the Gods.

[Raien]

In ALttP, the blade was specifically made to repel the Triforce's magic, not just evil, I believe. This is why it reflects Agahnim's magic.

The game/manual never actually says that, but I understand what you're getting at. Because the Triforce could not distinguish between good or evil, the Master Sword was made in case evil should try to claim it. This is the role of the Master Sword in OoT.

Yes, but it was also made to vanquish those evil ones who did obtain it (and it evidently does), so by extension, it does repel the Triforce's magic.

This assumes that the power of the ToP is to make magic that is wielded by Ganondorf. Yet we know Ganondorf wielded evil magic before and after receiving the ToP, so why does the ToP have to be a source in itself?

Question: Why does Ganondorf use the ToP, but Link does not use the ToC?
Answer: Because it is assumed that Ganondorf "uses" the ToP at all.

I know I'm dodging the point that I want to make, but I want to question your own views first. The Triforce pieces do not have to be "used" for them to have an effect upon the people who hold them. Link never used the ToC in OoT, yet Ganondorf placed responsibility on its power.

But in TP.

There is no conclusive evidence that the Master Sword had any effect on the ToP. If Ganondorf died, the ToP would have faded as a consequence.

Oh shut up about that darkness crap for once. It's not a fact, and nobody but you believes in it.

Count the number of times that darkness is referred to in TP. Then count the number of times that the ToP is referred to in TP. To deny that the most prominent concept in the entire game is less important than a concept that is only referenced twice (and vaguely at that) defeats the reasoning for why darkness is so prominent.

Except it still makes sense if the MS works especially well against evil powers - Which is what the Triforce would be anyway if it was used for evil, since, you know it doesn't make a difference between the two.

To be "unable to distinguish good or evil" and to "become good or evil" are two different concepts altogether. When Ganondorf receives the ToP, the ToP does not recognise that he is evil, so it empowers his evil magic. This does not make the nature of the ToP itself evil.

Edited by jhurvid, 22 February 2007 - 06:18 AM.

[SOAP]

I always thought of the Mastersword as a failsafe. The Triforce grants god-like powers to whoever owns it regardless of whether they are good or evil. The Masterword is the only thing that can be used against the Triforce's powers and can only be weilded by a true hero.

[Hero of Legend]

This assumes that the power of the ToP is to make magic that is wielded by Ganondorf. Yet we know Ganondorf wielded evil magic before and after receiving the ToP, so why does the ToP have to be a source in itself?

News flash: Just because Ganondorf had magic powers of his own, that does not mean the ToP did not give him additional, separate powers, just like it would everyone else. Whether Ganondorf used those powers for evil is entirely up to him.

Question: Why does Ganondorf use the ToP, but Link does not use the ToC?

Because Link does use it. Turning into a Wolf being a primary example. And is it just me, or didn't he use the ToW to enter Death Mountain in LoZ?

Answer: Because it is assumed that Ganondorf "uses" the ToP at all.

Question: Why do you assume that all Triforce pieces work the same way? They clearly do not.

The Triforce pieces do not have to be "used" for them to have an effect upon the people who hold them.

Obviously, yes. Still, we see them actively use their pieces, so we know they can.

Link never used the ToC in OoT, yet Ganondorf placed responsibility on its power.

You know what? That's using it as well. Just because its powers are passive does not mean it doesn't do anything.

There is no conclusive evidence that the Master Sword had any effect on the ToP. If Ganondorf died, the ToP would have faded as a consequence.

Says you. Clearly Ganondorf was kept alive by the Triforce, and it faded before he died, so it is only logical to assume his death was because the ToP disappeared and not the other way around.

Count the number of times that darkness is referred to in TP. Then count the number of times that the ToP is referred to in TP. To deny that the most prominent concept in the entire game is less important than a concept that is only referenced twice (and vaguely at that) defeats the reasoning for why darkness is so prominent.

Its not like any of that changes the fact that Ganondorf's powers are based on the ToP, which again the Master Sword would have to be able to defeat in order to defeat him.

To be "unable to distinguish good or evil" and to "become good or evil" are two different concepts altogether. When Ganondorf receives the ToP, the ToP does not recognise that he is evil, so it empowers his evil magic. This does not make the nature of the ToP itself evil.

Granting the wishes of evil persons seems kinda evil to me. But of course, I meant powers of the Triforce are evil, not the actual golden triangles.

[Raien]

News flash: Just because Ganondorf had magic powers of his own, that does not mean the ToP did not give him additional, separate powers, just like it would everyone else. Whether Ganondorf used those powers for evil is entirely up to him.

Provide evidence for such a distinction between Ganondorf's inherent power and the evil magic of the ToP.

Because Link does use it. Turning into a Wolf being a primary example. And is it just me, or didn't he use the ToW to enter Death Mountain in LoZ?

Link showed absolutely no awareness of the ToC's existence when he first transformed, so there is no evidence that he was able to "use" it to transform. It's presence within Link caused the transformation, just as the presence of the ToW in LoZ allowed Link access into Death Mountain.

Obviously, yes. Still, we see them actively use their pieces, so we know they can.

We only see them empowered by their pieces, not using them. Not even Ganondorf's resurrection in OoT's ending and TP are undisputable evidence that the ToP was ever used.

You know what? That's using it as well. Just because its powers are passive does not mean it doesn't do anything.

The actions of the Triforce of Courage have never been guided by Link. If the ToC acts without Link's knowledge, then Link cannot be "using" it in the same definition that you assume Ganondorf uses it.

Says you. Clearly Ganondorf was kept alive by the Triforce, and it faded before he died, so it is only logical to assume his death was because the ToP disappeared and not the other way around.

Ganondorf was empowered by the ToP, and it was that empowerment that kept Ganondorf alive. The ToP does not act as constant "life support", and neither does the Triforce for that matter.

Its not like any of that changes the fact that Ganondorf's powers are based on the ToP, which again the Master Sword would have to be able to defeat in order to defeat him.

Ganondorf wielded evil magic before he took the ToP, as we see in OoT and we are told in TP. You have no evidence that the magic changed in source or form when he took the ToP.

Question: Why do you assume that all Triforce pieces work the same way? They clearly do not.

I actually wrote an analogy on the subject that shows there is a definite pattern in the way that each piece of the Triforce works.

"In the situation where the Triforce pieces are separated from each other and become possessions of the three characters chosen by destiny; Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, the pieces act very differently to the Triforce as a whole. Contrary to popular belief, it has never been said or inferred that the Triforce pieces make magic for their holders to wield. In fact, it has never been said that the Triforce pieces were ever “used” at all, which is supported by Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, who placed responsibility on the Triforce of Courage for Link’s abilities, despite that Link had never known about the Triforce piece until that moment. The best evidence to explain how the Triforce pieces work comes from Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess.

According to the Sages in Twilight Princess, the object of Ganondorf's power was his evil magic; the power of Darkness. And according to the Hero's Spirit, Link's power came from the courage that he possessed. From Ocarina of Time, we know that Zelda's abilities come from her role as the leader of the Seven Sages, who were connected to wisdom in A Link to the Past and Twilight Princess. If we then infer from this that the object of Zelda's power is wisdom, then a pattern emerges. All three characters possessed and wielded these inherent abilities before and after they received their respective Triforce pieces. The Triforce of Power strengthened Ganondorf's power, the power of Darkness, thus empowering Ganondorf. The Triforce of Courage strengthened Link's courage, thus empowering Link. The Triforce of Wisdom strengthened Zelda's wisdom, thus empowering Zelda. The powers that the trio possess never change in source or form when they receive the pieces of the Triforce; they simply become more powerful."

Edited by jhurvid, 22 February 2007 - 11:16 AM.

[Fyxe]

Provide evidence for such a distinction between Ganondorf's inherent power and the evil magic of the ToP.

Ganondorf, as a human, is referred to regularly as a sorcerer. He has inherant magical power, as we see witnessed in Ocarina of Time. But this is never said to be something more than just something he has learnt. However, he is shown regularly to use the Triforce of Power additionally, and this is what people often refer to as his great strength. Take his ability to survive death in OoT, then the camera zooms in on his hand, showing the Triforce of Power resonating. Then he transforms into Ganon. He clearly used the Triforce of Power to unleash this might. To say otherwise would be to deny the obvious.

Similarly, this is echoed in that famous scene in Twilight Princess, where the Triforce of Power allows him to survive his execution.

In fact, this all echoes back to the original Zelda. You cannot fight Ganon without the Triforce of Wisdom to counter the Triforce of Power. It is quite clearly stated that this is the reason why Link must restore the Triforce of Wisdom.

Link showed absolutely no awareness of the ToC's existence when he first transformed, so there is no evidence that he was able to "use" it to transform. It's presence within Link caused the transformation, just as the presence of the ToW in LoZ allowed Link access into Death Mountain.

Wrong. In the original Zelda, an old man would merely stop Link from entering Death Mountain. It's not that he can't enter, it's simply that if he does, he will lose against Ganon.

In Ocarina of Time, the Triforce of Courage restore's Link's health to maximum before the fight with Ganondorf. Also, when Zelda transforms from Shiek to her regular form, the camera again shows the Triforce of Wisdom resonating, implying that she is using it to at least aid her transformation and magical abilities.

We only see them empowered by their pieces, not using them. Not even Ganondorf's resurrection in OoT's ending and TP are undisputable evidence that the ToP was ever used.

Being empowered by the Triforce pieces is exactly the same THING as using them. It makes no difference. The pieces grant them their strengths. That is what the crests of the Triforce do. If they do not grant the weilder any strength, then what is the point? Clearly they all augment their weilder's strengths in different ways. No, Link never activates the Triforce of Courage like a switch, but without it, he would not be able to defeat Ganondorf. I don't think Ganondorf ever *activates* the ToP, it just grants him extra strength, allowing him to fight back in times of desperation, allowing him to withstand the Master Sword to some degree, and allowing him to transform into the demon, Ganon. It may affect his magic, it may not, but is it a coincidence that his magical power is visually reminicent of the golden power? I doubt it. If anything, it at least strengthened his magic.

I've realised in this post that I'm actually not arguing against you particularly. I thought at first you were saying that the ToP did nothing to Ganon. Now I realise you weren't exactly saying that.

But, on a basic note, we don't KNOW where Ganondorf's power comes from. Obviously his magic is inherantly dark, but what sustains it and how he learnt it is a mystery. I think we can assume, however, that Twinrova taught him how to use magic.

[Raien]

As a general reply to what you have said, Fyxe, I am not denying that the ToP is very much responsible for Ganondorf's ability to heal himself in OoT and TP, and likewise with Link in OoT. My argument is against the view that the holders of the Triforce pieces can consciously direct the pieces to perform certain tasks. The actions and abilities of Link and Ganondorf come as a result of their empowerment by the Triforce pieces, not by manipulating the pieces in their own personal manner.

For example, did Ganondorf in OoT use the ToP to transform into Ganon? Or did the presence of the ToP within him simply empower his evil magic enough to transform with it? There is nothing definite that says or shows Ganondorf consciously used the ToP.

The reason why I dislike the alternative concept is because I feel certain facts or events have to be invented in order to explain it, such as the Master Sword sealing away the Triforce's power, a concept I have never been comfortable with since it has never been suggested in any game. With one formula, it explains every situation in relation to the appropriate metaphors. The evil magic is, and always has been, "Ganondorf's power".

As for LoZ, the reason why Link needed the ToW was not to empower himself or to counter the ToP. Ganon had cloaked himself in darkness within his lair, and the ToW revealed his presence when Link held it above his head. I could even go as far as to argue that the pieces resonated to reveal his presence. Also remember that the ToW was held externally, not within Link's body, so there is an inference that he could not gain strength himself from the ToW's power.

Edited by jhurvid, 22 February 2007 - 05:11 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

The pieces don't need to be within you in order to use their magic. Case in point TWW Link using the Triforce of Courage (outside his body) in order to open the passage to Hyrule.

[Fyxe]

As for LoZ, the reason why Link needed the ToW was not to empower himself or to counter the ToP. Ganon had cloaked himself in darkness within his lair, and the ToW revealed his presence when Link held it above his head. I could even go as far as to argue that the pieces resonated to reveal his presence. Also remember that the ToW was held externally, not within Link's body, so there is an inference that he could not gain strength himself from the ToW's power.

His presence would have been revealed anyway, simply by Ganon attacking. Heck, it's fairly obvious that's where Ganon is. Ganon's room is not actually dark anyway, Ganon is using the Technique of Darkness to hide, however. The ToW doesn't actually help Link at all - Link cannot see Ganon during the battle except when he is struck.
All we know is that Link needed the Triforce of Wisdom to be able to take on Ganon. He needed it's empowerment.

And just because Link can hold the Triforce above his head doesn't mean it isn't held internally the rest of the time. We don't know for sure. As we see in TWW, they have the ability to extract it from themselves. Ganon definitely had it within him.

As a side note, in BS Zelda, Ganon reveals himself before you fight him, then disappears behind a huge door with a triangle within it. The player's hero holds up the Triforce of Wisdom and it opens the door for him. Ganon stands in the next room, laughs and then fades away and the fight begins as normal.

[D~N]

As a general reply to everything:

I was always under the impression that Triforce isn't really used manually too often...

Like what Jhurvid said, it enhances something they already had. If there was a Triforce of sight, smell, and taste, these peices would only increase what they have, not give them a new ability. It's not like a blind person would aquire the Triforce of Sight, because they have to be the most "outstanding" in that particular category. That's understood, right?

Now, the Triforce is never once used manually by Link. (Maybe in MPS's scenario, yes...)
In addition to giving him more courage, it turned him into a wolf in self defense, like how Ganondorf turned to Beast Ganon in OoT and TP; these are a self-defense mechanisms. Any time it saves someone's life, it's an automatic action (with one exception in TP, I'll get to that in a bit*)

So, when are Triforces used manually? It's usually Ganondorf who does it; the person will hold up their fist, Triforce facing the camera, and the peice will glow. You can't honestly tell me that the peice happened to glow at that particular time randomly, and for no reason either...Any time a Triforce glows, something is being activated manually. Link has never done this...so I'm gunna say he's never manually used his peice. The ToW is used a lot; anytime it's held up(LoZ), during the Midna's Desperation, etc. You know when the Triforce is used manually because it's pretty obvious. What's all the confusion about?

The only confusion I could possibly see is during Ganon's execution scene in TP (*see above) The way I see it, he used it manually because you can see it in his expresion. Usually you can just tell these things, but this one's tricky...

Ganon's magic is Ganon's magic. It's made more powerful with the ToP. The ToP increase whatever the holder's strength's are. If it were given to some "muscular body-builder", it would make that person even more muscular. Likewise, it only increases the effects of Ganon's Dark Magic tenfold. Simple, really.

Now, The master Sword. It has been said many times that it repels evil. THAT'S THE END OF THE STATEMENT. It doesnt matter whether it's the Triforce or not, it was made in case an evil person used bad magic. Blade of Evil's bane. End of statement.

Now, the TP death sequence...It's my personal opinion that he was killed with the Master Sword itself. Anyone stabbed with a sword would die from said stabbing, no? TWW's ending? Stabbed with sword, dies. Subsequently, the Triforce vanishes. However, I do fully understand the reverse, and I think it's equally as plausible. From a casual glance, it would seem as if the stab killed him. But when you examine it like a science, it seems more likely that the blade repeled the magic that kept him alive, and so he died from a combination of being stabbed in the same wound twice. This seems especially true because of the long amount of time it took for him to die, and the sudden "!" thing he did right before he dies.

The fading wound-light...seems to me as if it is just the same as his eyes rolling back. It's a very cool cinimatic way of showing death. Maybe it has signifigance, but I don't know that for sure. I think that, while it was glowing, it implied that he was imune to mortal wounds, and when he finially was exposed to the Master Sword, he was no longer under the same protection, so he died. Also, I doubt it had anything to do with him being the King of *Light* and Shadow. Rather, like Jhurvid said in post #2, it's more likely that he thought himself the King of Light and Dark realms.

[Raien]

The pieces don't need to be within you in order to use their magic. Case in point TWW Link using the Triforce of Courage (outside his body) in order to open the passage to Hyrule.

Link didn't use the ToC to open that passage. He held the ToC up for the gods to acknowledge him, and they bestowed it upon him and opened the passage.

His presence would have been revealed anyway, simply by Ganon attacking. Heck, it's fairly obvious that's where Ganon is. Ganon's room is not actually dark anyway, Ganon is using the Technique of Darkness to hide, however. The ToW doesn't actually help Link at all - Link cannot see Ganon during the battle except when he is struck.

All we know is that Link needed the Triforce of Wisdom to be able to take on Ganon. He needed it's empowerment.

What is obvious to you and what is part of the game are not the same things. The room is dark and Ganon is only revealed when Link holds aloft the ToW. Then when Link puts the ToW away to fight Ganon, the darkness cloaks him once more. As far as we know until ZL is fixed, that is the ToW's only purpose.

And just because Link can hold the Triforce above his head doesn't mean it isn't held internally the rest of the time. We don't know for sure. As we see in TWW, they have the ability to extract it from themselves. Ganon definitely had it within him.

Ganondorf was only able to extract the pieces because he had brought the Triforce pieces together, which as he tells us, causes the Triforce pieces to "pull" towards each other and reunite (It's a shame ZL is down because I know there's a quote that shows this).

As a side note, in BS Zelda, Ganon reveals himself before you fight him, then disappears behind a huge door with a triangle within it. The player's hero holds up the Triforce of Wisdom and it opens the door for him. Ganon stands in the next room, laughs and then fades away and the fight begins as normal.

The presence of the ToW opens the door. Does Link necessarily "use" the ToW in that scene? No.

[Fyxe]

The room is dark and Ganon is only revealed when Link holds aloft the ToW. Then when Link puts the ToW away to fight Ganon, the darkness cloaks him once more. As far as we know until ZL is fixed, that is the ToW's only purpose.

That's not the only purpose. I understand your reasoning, but there's a big flaw... It's a really LAME purpose. Link would know Ganon is there as soon as Ganon started attacking. I don't see why the Triforce of Wisdom is so damn important if all it does is reveal that Ganon is in the room, which Link would know *anyway* because we could hear the 'boss roar' from nearby rooms. Link could defeat Ganon with the Magical Sword and the Silver Arrows alone if that's all the ToW did, which would render half of the plot of the game (and 90% of the play time) obsolite.

Ganondorf was only able to extract the pieces because he had brought the Triforce pieces together, which as he tells us, causes the Triforce pieces to "pull" towards each other and reunite (It's a shame ZL is down because I know there's a quote that shows this).

Hm. When Link gets the Triforce of Courage in TWW, at which point does it enter his body? I honestly cannot remember.

The presence of the ToW opens the door. Does Link necessarily "use" the ToW in that scene? No.

Actually, he kind of does. He holds it up, it flies to the door and slots into the triangle, the triangle glows golden, the glow fades and the door opens.

[MK.]

When do you all think Ganondorf was "reborn into the world" as Zant puts it? I believe it happened right when the barrier appears around Hyrule Castle and that Zant was just running off of "borrowed power" and Ganondorf was already in Hyrule Castle at that time, slowly regaining strength.

I don't think Ganondorf was inside of Zant when you fought him, or else Ganondorf would have just left Zant and tried to kill Link then and there.

[FDL]

Hm. When Link gets the Triforce of Courage in TWW, at which point does it enter his body? I honestly cannot remember.

He holds it up and the portal to Hyrule opens. Then, the ToC suddenly disappears and reappears on the back of Link's hand.

[Fyxe]

He holds it up and the portal to Hyrule opens. Then, the ToC suddenly disappears and reappears on the back of Link's hand.

But was it on the back of his hand before the portal was opened?

[Raien]

That's not the only purpose. I understand your reasoning, but there's a big flaw... It's a really LAME purpose. Link would know Ganon is there as soon as Ganon started attacking. I don't see why the Triforce of Wisdom is so damn important if all it does is reveal that Ganon is in the room, which Link would know *anyway* because we could hear the 'boss roar' from nearby rooms. Link could defeat Ganon with the Magical Sword and the Silver Arrows alone if that's all the ToW did, which would render half of the plot of the game (and 90% of the play time) obsolite.

I understand your point, yet why would Link bother to reveal Ganon at all with the ToW unless it was necessary? Maybe Link needs to see the monster that he is facing so he can work out how to defeat it.

Hm. When Link gets the Triforce of Courage in TWW, at which point does it enter his body? I honestly cannot remember.

Link stands on the KoRL outside the Tower of the Gods. The KoRL tells Link to hold the ToC up for the gods to see and acknowledge Link as the Hero. The ToC shines bright and enters Link's hand, at which point the portal opens. The KoRL then tells Link that the gods have accepted his courage, and that he shall now be called the Hero of Winds.

Actually, he kind of does. He holds it up, it flies to the door and slots into the triangle, the triangle glows golden, the glow fades and the door opens.

Sounds more like the presence of the ToW alone caused it to move and open the door, rather than Link actually guiding the ToW to the door. It still doesn't show that Link has any real control.

Edited by jhurvid, 22 February 2007 - 08:48 PM.