[quote]Originally posted by Isaiah 53:8@
By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?[/quote]
Offspring doesn't refer to actual children.
[/b][/quote]
#32
Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:10 PM
Originally posted by www.dictionary.com
off·spring ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôfsprng, f-)
n. pl. offspring
The progeny or descendants of a person, animal, or plant considered as a group.
A child of particular parentage.
A result; a product.
Sounds right to me, Ogimos.
No, Jesus never had any children physically. But, in the Bible, it says that God is the Father, and that Jesus is God. Which makes other Christians children of God... so... what is being said is true.... from... a logical point of veiw.
It also helps if you've read the Bible.
#33
Guest_TanakaBros06_*
Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:54 PM
Oh, yeah- Jesus is the Messiah and stuff. He owns.
#34
Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:58 PM
*in context of 'He owns' *
#35
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:01 PM
#36
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:04 PM
are you rooting for the Christians or.... uh... not?
#37
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:05 PM
#38
Guest_TanakaBros06_*
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:07 PM
#39
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:09 PM
#40
Guest_TanakaBros06_*
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:14 PM
Anyway, I know nothing about Rastafarianism, so I can't fight you there.
#41
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:22 PM
#42
Posted 14 September 2004 - 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Reflectionist@Sep 14 2004, 08:10 PM
Sounds right to me, Ogimos.
No, Jesus never had any children physically. But, in the Bible, it says that God is the Father, and that Jesus is God. Which makes other Christians children of God... so... what is being said is true.... from... a logical point of veiw.
It also helps if you've read the Bible.
Either you didn't read the rest of my post, or you've just decided that you can't refute it well enough. I addressed that whole bit in my post. Why don't you address what I said in yours, and then tell me that it the definition applies to what you said it does, when I previously said it didn't, and you haven't refuted why I said it didn't
#43
Posted 14 September 2004 - 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Reflectionist
It also helps if you've read the Bible.
That sounds a tad condescending...
And the Bible is interpreted to mean whatever people want it to mean. I've heard different priests take the same passage from the Bible and tell me it is about faith, about overcoming strife, about this, and that and the other thing. Reading the Bible doesn't mean squat, because no one interprets it the same as you. Its like...bland poetry...no offense to Christians...
What are the prophecies to become a Messiah?
I'm just wondering...maybe they're not all that hard to do.
I think I will train Alak to become the next Messiah.
#44
Posted 14 September 2004 - 11:31 PM
[/b][/quote]
The NIV doesn't capitalize pronouns in reference to God.
[quote]Originally posted by Alak@
I have one thing to say: Halie Salasie.[/quote]
#45
Posted 14 September 2004 - 11:57 PM
What's funny to me is that a lot of religions (buddhism, judaism, sometimes Islam) or at least the people in them, will say that they respect Jesus as a prophet or a great teacher but not as the messiah.. well I'm sorry, but wouldn't logic dictate that Jesus is either the messiah or a really huge liar? It's nice to try to make peace, but above all try to make sense ^^' If you don't believe in him then you believe he was a liar.. or at least that lies were written about him later on. meh.
Nice guy, that Jesus. (It's a great name, isn't it?) XD
#46
Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:03 AM
[/b][/quote]
Very good points. Just two things. Actually, Islam always respects Jesus, because they believe he is a prophet. They don't think that the Gospels are accurate, which is why they have some grounds for believing as they do. As for Judaism, there's no official position on Jesus.
As Alak can attest, Jews believe it is impossible for God to become a man, so they have an aversion to Jesus. One Ashkenazi Rabbi pointed out that it's OK for Gentiles to worship Jesus, but not Jews. Other than that, the Jewish community doesn't really believe anything about him. I've met Jews who despised Jesus, and others who thought that his teachings have done the world a great service by bringing us out of paganism. So it varies quite a bit.
#47
Posted 15 September 2004 - 09:54 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Alak@
I have one thing to say: Halie Salasie.[/quote]
#48
Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:35 PM
#49
Posted 15 September 2004 - 01:22 PM
#50
Posted 15 September 2004 - 02:40 PM
And, i think someone in an earlier post said something about Isiah, and those other prophet dudes that were "messiahs" Yes... then again, there were five "integral anomolys" in the Matrix that failed before Neo Saved everyone... just a little thought to shed some light on the subject. No more will be said about the matrix
and, another point, how do you debate the virgin birth? You can't just say "Joseph thought she was a virgin, and so did everyone else, but she knew Bill Clinton... blah blah blah..." no, it's not like that. The virgin woman had a child.
Jesus was taken up into Heaven. Ascension. He's not going to go on some talk show, that would ruin the state of free will that God gave all of us. So, He is alive. Still is. He even says that He'll come back later, and, Revelation is a prophecy that has yet to come, but when it does, in no uncertain terms... well... you guys are screwed.
:-P
EDIT: Bethlehem means Bethlehem. "He" or "Him" is never capitalized in the Bible at all. I did read all of your post, Ogimos. and don't forget about the albino rastafarians in the matrix.
#51
Posted 15 September 2004 - 04:53 PM
#52
Posted 15 September 2004 - 08:49 PM
#53
Posted 15 September 2004 - 08:53 PM
#54
Posted 15 September 2004 - 08:57 PM
Also, I think Eloah was the singular for Elohim. But you're the Jew, so you'll probably know where to check and see if I'm right or wrong, because I may be confusing it with something else.
#55
Posted 15 September 2004 - 09:03 PM
Also, god has a lot of names in Hebrew. These are usually passed off as "God Almighty" "The Lord God" and such, but really, each name has a different personality. I direct you to James Miller's "God: A Biography".
#56
Posted 15 September 2004 - 09:35 PM
#57
Guest_Loki Tsin Dante_*
Posted 16 September 2004 - 01:12 PM
Personally, I don't know either way. I do know that Jesus, man or Messiah, meant well, though. He did seem a little nuts with that whole cannibalism shit though.
#58
Posted 16 September 2004 - 01:41 PM
#59
Posted 16 September 2004 - 01:54 PM
but lookin at the title "jesus is the messiah" id say that is wrong, buddah has the right idea
#60
Guest_Dirk Amoeba_*
Posted 16 September 2004 - 02:01 PM
Firstly, history tells us Jesus and His apostles existed. This much is fact. It also tells us that Jesus died on te cross because He was a "troublemaker."
However, here is the point I'd like to make, and this too is historical. Jesus' followers went into hiding directly after His death, but three days later, something happened that caused them to again believe His message and speak in its favor. And on that day of Pentecost, something happened that convinced several thousand people that Jesus the Nazorean was the messiah.
I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and before you try to argue against Him I'd like you to explain what's going on in the above paragraph, which is historical fact.
