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#31 Crazy Penguin

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:34 PM

"The people believed that the Hero of Time would again come to save them..." doesn't even sound like a prophecy anyway, more of an assumption. And it did not come true because the Hero of Time did not save them, the Hero of Winds saved their descendants.

Not that it matters anyway, it's an absolute moot point because the Link's Awakening manual also said that Link had sailed away from his homeland of Hyrule and was returning to it and that the people of Hyrule feared what evil may rise from Ganon's ashes. It's not the Link from Wind Waker.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:04 PM

Ok, threr's another monkey wrench. NEW TIMELINE (again)

****OoT-MM-LttP-LA-LoZ-AoL-OoX==Great flood==WW-MC-Z'05-FS-FSA***

If this is better, write BANANA in your next reply
If worse, type GRAPES.
Or, ya know, you could just be normal and type it..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:26 PM

Its all right (banana?) Only a few things bother me. If you're not gonna put in LA because you haven't played it, why put in Z'05? And where does the Sleeping Zelda occur in your timeline?

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:34 PM

Z'05 is there because I am just realy eager to play it. LA I didn't even notice it is't in the timeline. I'll fix that. *fixes*
Sleeping Zelda occurs before AoL, just like it should. I dont get why people put that at the begining, and the AoL is , say way after WW? May as well put the traveling to termina at the end of WW. I just don't get why... Is it, like, not supposed to go at the begining of AoL. Wow I sound realy stupid right now: I haven't played LA, FSA, & FS, and I don't know where the Sleeping Zelda goes. I'm usually much smarter than this....

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:39 PM

The reason people put it in the begining is because the Sleeping Zelda explains why the series is called the Legend of Zelda... and not the Legend of Link.

Oh yeah! And banana!

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:58 PM

Yeah, there's that. But then it'd be like mario. I think they were just being different.

Myamato-hey, let's screw everyone up and name it not after the main character!
Other nintendo workers-Yeah, we'll screw 'em up gewd. Hee hee heee.....

Look at Metroid. Not called SAMUS. So eh, that's nintendo for you. So, it's not wrong to put Sleeping Zelda before AoL. (right?) Cause thats were I'm puting it.
Wait, does the same Zelda sleep for hundreds of years THROUGH ths great flood?!?! (for those of you that put it at the begining) That kinda just sprung on me.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:18 PM

Well, it definitely goes before AoL, just not directly before it. The Sleeping Zelda is what started the tradition of naming each of the female royalty Zelda, so it is intended to explain why every princess in the games is named Princess Zelda. Since every princess of Hyrule before AoL is named Zelda, it stands to reason that the Sleeping Zelda would have come before them, and thus before the timeline.

Oh, and your number of Zeldas and Links is dangerously low.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:20 PM

What I'm saying is that the reason they named the series The Legend of Zelda is because it's based on the old Hyrulean story "The Legend of Zelda" where the Princess Zelda was cast under a spell of eternal slumber. Her brother, in his remorse, declared all princess thenceforth to be called Zelda. Hence the "Legend of Zelda."

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:55 PM

Ah, I get it, I have decided to put it at the begining. thanks, I'll go edit that now.
But why is it low? Remember before WW when everyone believed only one link existed? Well I like to keep it as close to that as posible. It is much better and less complicated than say 9 links and 6 different sections. Makes my head spin ??o.0??

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:24 PM

No one's saying nine Links. Closer to seven if you ask me. One question though. If there are only two links, how do you explain him meeing Zelda for the first time in OoT, OoX, and TWW?

Oh, and one more thing, in your sig you wrote "-Sleeping Zelda=Beging of Timeline." You might wanna fix that spelling error. (I probably should've just PM'd you abput that, but whatever)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:30 PM

I think at mininum, there has to be at least three Links. For the reason Octorok has suggested. Of course there are other factors to consider than whether or not Link and Zeldan know each other. Which why people think there's at least six or seven.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:51 PM

One thing I do like about your timeline though is that OoX follows AoL.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 11:31 PM

If I were to make a timeline with the mininum amount of Links, I'd say

-Sleeping Zelda (AoL BS)

-OoT-LoZ-MM-AoL

-OoX-TMC-ALttP

-The Great Flood

-TWW-FS-FSA-Z05

This is, of course, taking in consideration other factors, like Ganon/Vaati encounters. The only problem I have is in TMC, Link lives with his grandfather. But I believe originally that character was supposed to be his uncle. I'll explain it more if you want.

I hope that helps you any.

Edit: I'd like to also note that this is just a mere suggestion and no where near perfect itself.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:59 AM

Where do you put the Hero of Man tale?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:06 AM

What I'm saying is that the reason they named the series The Legend of Zelda is because it's based on the old Hyrulean story "The Legend of Zelda" where the Princess Zelda was cast under a spell of eternal slumber. Her brother, in his remorse, declared all princess thenceforth to be called Zelda. Hence the "Legend of Zelda."


Nonsense, they thought of the title before they even started making Adventure of Link.

Ah, I get it, I have decided to put it at the begining. thanks, I'll go edit that now.


The Triforce of Courage was hidden before Zelda was put to sleep, and wasn't reclaimed until the end of Adventure of Link. Thus no game featuring the Triforce of Courage can come inbetween Zelda being put to sleep and Adventure of Link.

But why is it low? Remember before WW when everyone believed only one link existed?


Whoever believed that was wrong. The back of Link to the Past's Japanese box said that it was set in ancient times before the NES games. Ocarina of Time was telling the story of what happened hundreds of years before Link to the Past.

The NES Link is the first we knew (though not the first chronologically).

The LttP/LA Link is a different one because we were told so.

The N64 Link is a different one because we were told so.

The Oracles Link seems to be a different one because he meets Zelda for the first time.

The WW Link is a different one because we are told so.

The FS/FSA Link may seem to be more ambiguous because he already knows Zelda, however he cannot be any of the five previously mentioned Links because of the presence of Ganon in FSA.

TMC Link is a different one to the FS/FSA Link because he creates the Four Sword. He is also none of the previous Links because he is not regarded as a hero and lives with his grandfather.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:44 AM

Nonsense, they thought of the title before they even started making Adventure of Link.


Yes but AoL explains why it's called the Legend of Zelda. Anyways, it's more than likely that this is why it's called the Legend of Zelda.

Um... I have no problem with everything else you said.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 11:32 AM

I was just sitting around readin' all your replies when I remembered that I have (and beat) ALttP on the GBA. That means I have FS too. Now I always knew this, but what I -realy- remembered was that I can see the opening to FS if I don't click any buttons, even if I can't play the actual game without four people. Anyway, the intro says that vaati had been defeated a long time ago. This means my current location for either MC or the FS games is wrong, so here we go again:

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
ALttP-LA-FS-FSA

So go ahead, tell me whats wrong with this one *sigh*

*Edit-->; also note I moved sleeping zelda back to right before AoL. Thas is because the series didn't have to titled after that event, nor the Zeldas named after that, it could be a tridition, ie: queen elizabeth, there are -many- queen elizabeths, so um, yeah. But the main reason is because this: someone said that the ToC can't be used between the sleeping zelda and AoL, and OoT is right there in my timeline, so I had to move it. Oh and the OoX still goes ther, even though he meets zelda there. But note that 1-it's after AoL and she could have lost her memory, but thats a bit of famfiction, or 2-it's proper maners to introduce yourself, especially if you were just saved.<--Edit*

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:04 PM

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
ALttP-LA-FS-FSA


The Sleeping Zelda story comes centuries before LoZ, so there must be different Links for OoT and LoZ in your timeline, as OoT can't come between Sleeping Zelda and AoL.
In your timeline, Ganon is sealed in the Sacred Realm at the end of OoT, but then able to attack Hyrule at the beginning of LoZ. I suppose this could work if there are multiple Ganons, and the OoT one stays trapped whilst LoZ + AoL occur...
Then you put TWW, which is fine. There's not much point putting Z'05 in since we don't know anything about it.
Then ALttP? I don't think this works - Hyrule is destroyed at the end of TWW. It is gone forever. I'll assume you have some fanfic about a new Hyrule being discovered, though...
So do you have the IW after TWW and before ALttP? It could work... If the triforce returned to the SR after TWW... Although ALttP makes it sound like this is the first time the triforce has left the Sacred Realm. Then FS and FSA - well, that works, I think. Though again, Hyrule has been destroyed.

Where do you place the FS backstory, and the hero of men story?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:13 PM

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
ALttP-LA-FS-FSA

So go ahead, tell me whats wrong with this one *sigh*


LttP and LA take place before the NES games. It's not disputable.

TMC Link is not OoT Link because he has a grandfather and is not known as a hero. Oracles Link is not OoT Link because the Triforce is in Hyrule Castle and he meets for the first time.

FS/FSA Link is not LttP/LA Link because Ganon is wandering around unchallenged in FSA - how could he be revived in such a short amount of time with nobody raising an eyebrow about it? Also in LttP (GBA version) the Four Sword has been split into four separate pieces in Palace of the Four Sword and in FSA Ganon finds a trident, whilst he already has a trident in both LttP and Oracles.

*Edit-->; also note I moved sleeping zelda back to right before AoL.


It would actually have to be before both NES games. The sleeping Zelda was put to sleep a long long time before AoL, whereas LoZ only happened a few years before AoL.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:15 PM

Read my last edit, that will answer some questions. Now onto the other questions asked. OoT he is sealed, yes, but he has broken free dozens of times, so I'm guessing that he escapes short after MC. Z'05 i'm guessing will be the discovery of a new hyrul, or recovery of the old one, so thats why i put Z'05 in.

4S back story, as in the intro? I put that in the begining of the game, unless your talking about the sealing/defeat of vaati, that is MC. Hero of men is a tale as you said, so that goes way before everything else...

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:28 PM

OoT he is sealed, yes, but he has broken free dozens of times, so I'm guessing that he escapes short after MC.


Wind Waker's intro says that Ganon only broke free of his OoT seal generations after the event, and that nobody stopped him.

It still doesn't change the fact that LttP/LA take place centuries before LoZ and AoL, it says so on the back of LttP's box.

And TMC Link has a grandfather and is not known as a hero, he is not the Link from OoT/MM.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:54 PM

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
ALttP-LA-FS-FSA


Ok, I'll join in. I'm assuming OOT is your Imprisoning War story. Fine and dandy. TMC should be moved before OOT by a few centuries, because it explains things like Zelda's powers and Link's....hat...and some other stuff. Centuries later, we have OOT and MM like you said. Centuries later, there's the Great Flood, and then TWW. this is indisputable fact. Ok, NOW We can have Z05 if you want, and then FS and FSA should be put BEFORE LTTP because it's how the Trident is discovered and stuff. NOW We can finally move on to LTTP, then to LA, and like everyone said, LOZ and AOL, and we can have OOX like you want.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:56 PM

You can't go OoT/MM-TMC because in TMC it's a world with no monsters, ages after a time when Jesus-Link slayed all the world's monsters. And you can't put FS and HA in a different timeline to TMC because TMC was the story of how Vaati became a floating eye, became obsessed with maidens, how Link came to be and the creation of the FS.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 01:05 PM

And you can't put FS and HA in a different timeline to TMC


(S)He didn't, each new line is supposed to indicate a new Link.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 05:00 PM

Ok, I'll join in. I'm assuming OOT is your Imprisoning War story. Fine and dandy. TMC should be moved before OOT by a few centuries, because it explains things like Zelda's powers and Link's....hat...and some other stuff. Centuries later, we have OOT and MM like you said. Centuries later, there's the Great Flood, and then TWW. this is indisputable fact. Ok, NOW We can have Z05 if you want, and then FS and FSA should be put BEFORE LTTP because it's how the Trident is discovered and stuff. NOW We can finally move on to LTTP, then to LA, and like everyone said, LOZ and AOL, and we can have OOX like you want.


-Yeah, but isn't that your timeline :s:

-I'm a guy, just for the record.

-HA? Wha??? o.0

-I'm changin' up a bit, here's yet another new refurbished one:
*****
OoT-MM-AlttP-LA-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
MC
FS-FSA
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4 links
4 Zeldas
1 Ganon

I actually think this one could be worse, but eh, I'm still workin' on this whole thing.....

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 05:15 PM

-HA? Wha??? o.0

Hyrulian Adventure. It's the name of the story mode in Four Swords Adventures.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 05:22 PM

OoT-MM-AlttP-LA-LoZ-AoL-OoX
WW-Z'05
MC
FS-FSA
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4 links
4 Zeldas
1 Ganon

I actually think this one could be worse, but eh, I'm still workin' on this whole thing.....



Again, the back of LttP's box says that it is set generations before the NES games. They're different Links.

And LttP/LA is not OoT/MM Link either. OoT shows the origin of Ganon, and in LttP Ganon's origin had happened centuries ago.

The locations of the Triforce in The Wind Waker carries on from where Ocarina of Time left off. There can't logically be any game featuring the Triforce inbetween Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.

Also, the GBA version of LttP features Palace of the Four Sword, suggesting that the Four Sword games should take place some time before LttP.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 05:52 PM

I don't know if what's on the back of a box can be taken too seriously. FSA says it takes place many years after the events in FS yet if you believe it's still the same Link, Link has shown no signs of having age and he looks to be at the point in his life where even a couple of years makes a huge difference. Also, ALttP being centuries before LoZ is not officially supported by the creators themselves and was even argued against by Shigeru himself at one point.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:04 PM

Can I use your thread to state one thing?

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The Links? Not in order of timeline...

LoZ/AoL, LttP/LA, OoT/MM, OoX, TWW/(possibly z05), and the connection between the FS/HA Link has already been debated, and we're all disagreeing. K? No? Oh well.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:16 PM

I don't know if what's on the back of a box can be taken too seriously.


It can be taken just as seriously as the instruction manual.

FSA says it takes place many years after the events in FS


I did not know this. Quote and source please.

Also, ALttP being centuries before LoZ is not officially supported by the creators themselves and was even argued against by Shigeru himself at one point.


Miyamoto probably just slipped up, he's not the be all and end all of the series and he hasn't shown too much involvement with the games' storylines. In that same interview he said it was not clear when Link's Awakening takes place, however reading the first paragraph of the prologue from the instruction manual makes it perfectly clear that it takes place shortly after LttP.

More importantly remember that Ocarina of Time was intended as both the origin story of the series and the tale of how Ganon got trapped in the Sacred Realm for LttP.

Of course we saw Ganon escape in The Wind Waker, but that was a retroactive change and does not interfere with the NES games.




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