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Posted 07 April 2005 - 03:27 PM

Recently I have been elaboratly researching and studying the possible connections or relations between these two Links. I have come up with numerous assumptions and pointers that may justify this query. It seems according to the plot TWW took place centuries after OoT. Here are many pointers that could "link" the Links together very much like a real link would through cable and networks:

1. It seems Link's family in the TWW bere possession of the Hero of Time's shield which was as said in the narration it was "used by the legendary Hero himself". I am assuming this has been passed down through centuries, it may have been acquired when the Hero of Time died, the question is who possessed his shield after his death? Its usually passed on to a close relative, but if I remember rightly Link didn't really have a family, both his mother and father had died when he was a young age and his only family really were his close friends for example Saria and Zelda. It may have been possible that the Hero of Time after saving Hyrule and Termina and then returned to Hyrule he must have married. But this wouldn't make sense I mean, according to the TWW the Hero did not return or did this occur after his death? Its not known but by the looks of it at the end of MM its possible that he was returning to Hyrule. Anyway all I am saying is that someone a relative or someone close must have into possession of his shield and then from there it was based on through centuries until it reached TWW Link's family.

2. I have been contemplating this for some time and have come up with another assumption to relate these two. It seems they both possess the very same courageous spirit and brave heart. There appearances are very much the same too and whats interesting is that TWW Link was able to pull the Master Sword from the Pedestal. They had both taken similar paths to acquire the Master Sword, three dungeons, three sacred items to obtain. When TWW Link removed the Master Sword from the Pedestal did you notice the strange giant knight statues all moved and crossed there swords? These knights all seem to resemble the sages Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa & Nabooru since there were 5 knights. It may be that they believed the Hero of Time had returned. Its interesting how these two Links are so very similar, courageous, young determined, passionate. TWW Link managed to pull the same Master Sword like the Hero of Time did therefore TWW Link must have possessed very similar comparisons and a ressembling spirit and determination to save.

What do you think on all this?

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 03:29 PM

1. Yes.

2. I always thought that was just a gaming thing. I wouldn't be surprised in the first Zelda for Revolution follows the same pattern.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 03:38 PM

1. Though I got shunned for this in another MB, It's my personal belief that the hero's Sheild the OoT Link's Kokiri Sheild reinforced with a metal frame and given a new paintjob. I don't care whta the intro to TWW says, OoT Link came back at the end of MM. Maybe he cmae back after Hyrule was already flooded and found himself in what became Outset Island. He married an Hylian survivor living their. Their offspring became the inhabitant of that island, intermarrying with sailors and pirates from other islands. TWW Link would be the most direct decendant since his family owns the sheild but everyone else on the island would be like his aunts uncles, and cxousins and whatnot.

Is it just me or is Lenzo Link's long lost granfather?

2. They've been doing that stuff since ALttP. Nothing special. Though, I'd imagine the statues are somehow a reference to the Knights of Hyrule. Could be wrong.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 03:59 PM

Recently I have been elaboratly researching and studying the possible connections or relations between these two Links. I have come up with numerous assumptions and pointers that may justify this query. It seems according to the plot TWW took place centuries after OoT. Here are many pointers that could "link" the Links together very much like a real link would through cable and networks:

1. It seems Link's family in the TWW bere possession of the Hero of Time's shield which was as said in the narration it was "used by the legendary Hero himself". I am assuming this has been passed down through centuries, it may have been acquired when the Hero of Time died, the question is who possessed his shield after his death? Its usually passed on to a close relative, but if I remember rightly Link didn't really have a family, both his mother and father had died when he was a young age and his only family really were his close friends for example Saria and Zelda. It may have been possible that the Hero of Time after saving Hyrule and Termina and then returned to Hyrule he must have married. But this wouldn't make sense I mean, according to the TWW the Hero did not return or did this occur after his death? Its not known but by the looks of it at the end of MM its possible that he was returning to Hyrule. Anyway all I am saying is that someone a relative or someone close must have into possession of his shield and then from there it was based on through centuries until it reached TWW Link's family.

Firstly, the hero of time doesn't refer to a specific Link so this isn't necesserally a reference to OoT Link. If you look at the Sheiks quote in OoT, she herself says to Link (after he has turned older) "As I see you standing there holding the mythical Master Sword, you really do look like the legendary Hero of Time..." which leans towards the Hero of Time being the different incarnations of Link.

Secondly, the OoT Link has a different shield which gets passed down to the Link in aLttP and not to the Link in WW. This is why I argue that aLttP is a desendant of OoT Link. WW Link OTOH, has the same shield that the Link from TMC has. Also note that the Zelda in TMC looks exactly the same as the one in WW, as does the Link. Hence, if WW Link is related to a 'hero of time', it is almost definately the one from TMC.

Finally, if you play the second quest in tWW, you will get to read some of the quotes that were previously written in Hylian. These all suggest that WW Link has NOTHING to do with OoT Link, other than he dresses the same and is coragous. I can't be bothered to provide quotes, but you can find it all over a WW text dump. Further more, Miyamoto-san confirmed that this Link had nothing to do with OoT Link in his pre-launch interview (though I can't recall which one).

Conclusion: WW Link is definately not related to OoT Link which can not only be infered from clues, but is stated in the WW game, and has been confirmed by the creators. However, there is a good chance that he is a desendant of TMC Link (which could explain the Hero of Time reference).

As for your second point. I doubt it has any relavence. Nintendo likes to have reoccuring themes all the time.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:22 PM

Firstly, the hero of time doesn't refer to a specific Link so this isn't necesserally a reference to OoT Link. If you look at the Sheiks quote in OoT, she herself says to Link (after he has turned older) "As I see you standing there holding the mythical Master Sword, you really do look like the legendary Hero of Time..." which leans towards the Hero of Time being the different incarnations of Link.


She meant that Link looked the part, not that he looked like someone from the past. It was possible there was a prophcecy of the hero of Time. But it is made clear in Majora's Mask and Wind Waker that Link is Hero of Time; otherwise giving TWW's link the distinction Hero of Winds would lose its significance.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 06:52 PM

1. Well, Link didn't have any family, so...no >.> The Sheild could of just been the same KIND as the one Link used, the same brand. It's like holding up a candy bar and saying it's Ben Affleck's favorite snack. He may like the candy bar, but he is indifferent to the one you're holding.

2. Well yea >.> Most of us have already come to the conclusion that the Links and Zeldas are reincarnations of each other. Kind of reminds me of the two main heroes from Xenogears O_o

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

2. Well yea >.> Most of us have already come to the conclusion that the Links and Zeldas are reincarnations of each other. Kind of reminds me of the two main heroes from Xenogears O_o


Remember though, there were many Zeldas whilst the sleeping Zelda still slept, so as far as she's concerned it's not reincarnation in the traditional sense.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 07:37 PM

Firstly, the hero of time doesn't refer to a specific Link so this isn't necesserally a reference to OoT Link. If you look at the Sheiks quote in OoT, she herself says to Link (after he has turned older) "As I see you standing there holding the mythical Master Sword, you really do look like the legendary Hero of Time..." which leans towards the Hero of Time being the different incarnations of Link.

What other Hero of Times were there before OoT Link?

Secondly, the OoT Link has a different shield which gets passed down to the Link in aLttP and not to the Link in WW. This is why I argue that aLttP is a desendant of OoT Link. WW Link OTOH, has the same shield that the Link from TMC has. Also note that the Zelda in TMC looks exactly the same as the one in WW, as does the Link. Hence, if WW Link is related to a 'hero of time', it is almost definately the one from TMC.


They're just simmilar art styles. There's nothing that suggest WW Link is related to those Links. Capcom just like the art style and went with it. OoT is the only game that TWW refers back to and OoT Link is the only hero TWW Link is compared to. In TWW, Ganondorf was searching for the Hero of Time as well and confirmed that TWW Link was indeed the Hero of Time reborn. Now I don't know about you but Ganondorf never ran into TMC Link did he? So why would he be looking for someone like him when it was OoT Link he had beef with?

Finally, if you play the second quest in tWW, you will get to read some of the quotes that were previously written in Hylian. These all suggest that WW Link has NOTHING to do with OoT Link, other than he dresses the same and is coragous. I can't be bothered to provide quotes, but you can find it all over a WW text dump. Further more, Miyamoto-san confirmed that this Link had nothing to do with OoT Link in his pre-launch interview (though I can't recall which one).

I've played the second quest but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe the king didn't know if there was any connection. Or maybe he didn't want a bunch of fallen forgotten gods to get their hopes up just because a boy may or may not be related to some legendary hero. Perhaps he wanted to wait and see what Link could do regardless if he was the Hero of Time's descendant or not. Should we dismiss Neo was the one when the Oracle said he wasn't. Maybe this is the ame thing here.

Conclusion: WW Link is definately not related to OoT Link which can not only be infered from clues, but is stated in the WW game, and has been confirmed by the creators. However, there is a good chance that he is a desendant of TMC Link (which could explain the Hero of Time reference).



You didn't conclude squat. When was it conformed there was no connection by the creators? And why is there a good chance that he's a decendant of TMC Link? And why would TMC Link explain the Hero of Time reference? Since when did TMC Link do anything related with Time?

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 09:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that the Nintendo of Europe Zelda site accidentally called TMC Link the Hero of Time at one point, which got some people confused. I think that's what mohammedali was reffering to.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 10:39 PM

What "Hero" would he be?

Hero of what? Shrinking?

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:36 AM

Firstly, the hero of time doesn't refer to a specific Link

YES IT DOES! Only Link from OOT and MM has earned that title...

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:46 AM

What other Hero of Times were there before OoT Link?

None as far as I know. I was just pointing out a quote

:zelda: Zelda/Sheik :ph34r: says
"As I see you standing there holding the mythical Master Sword, you really do look like the legendary Hero of Time...".

Now explain to me, why would she say he looks like the legendary Hero of Time, if he is the first and only hero of time? Legendary seems to suggest that Link looks like someone from a long time ago - which would mean that the Hero of Time is a title given to different Links because they keep reappearing when there is danger. Who the Link before OoT actually is OTOH, is another question completely. A guess would be the guy that looked like Link from TMC Bs (though it is only a guess).

They're just simmilar art styles. There's nothing that suggest WW Link is related to those Links. Capcom just like the art style and went with it. OoT is the only game that TWW refers back to and OoT Link is the only hero TWW Link is compared to. In TWW, Ganondorf was searching for the Hero of Time as well and confirmed that TWW Link was indeed the Hero of Time reborn. Now I don't know about you but Ganondorf never ran into TMC Link did he? So why would he be looking for someone like him when it was OoT Link he had beef with?

WW Link has a family shield that was stated as being 'used by the hero himself'. This doesn't say which hero, and in particular, doesn't say 'the Hero of Time' (which is a phrase that is always used when talking about OoT Link in tWW). This suggests WW Link is related to one of the Links, but not necessearly OoT Link. TMC Link seems the obvious choice as he has the SAME shield as WW Link. Of all the Links we know of, this is the only one that seems to fit with the shield. However, as TMC wasn't even released during WW, I am not suprised they talked mostly about OoT Link, and made no further references to the other Link. Any connection between WW Link and TMC Link will ONLY be shown in TMC and not WW due to when the games were release.

Also, Ganon refering to the Hero of Time being reborn doesn't suggest they are related as there are numerous quotes from the wise folk in WW that state otherwise. Ganon just means that he is the one chosen by destiny to weild the Triforce of Courage.

DEKU TREE
"That garb you wear... Could you be the legendary hero? Has the king at long last found the Hero of Time? What is the matter? Do you not understand the ancient Hylian tongue? So...you are not the Hero of Time."

JABUN:
"If you have sought me out...it must mean you have found the Hero of Time, does it not?"
KING OF RED LIONS:
"Unfortunately, that is not so."

KING OF RED LIONS:
"The one I have brought with me has no connection to the legendary one. And yet I sense great promise in the courage that this one possesses."

So we now see that Link has NO CONNECTION to the Hero of Time. So what is he? He is a hero, and he is a desendant of a past hero.

KING OF RED LIONS:
Surely, from this moment on, you shall be known as the Hero of Winds...

The Link in WW is hence refered to as the Hero of Winds... Hmmm why does this all sound familiar? Maybe because the 'hero' in TMC, FS and FSA not only look EXACTLY like Link, not only does TMC Link have the SAME shield, but they also fight a WIND mage. I fail to see how it could be more obvious that IF Nintendo are making a connection to who WW Link is related to, it clearly isn't the OoT Link, but TMC Link instead. If you don't agree with it being TMC Link then fine, but by no means can you say he is related to OoT Link. After all, there are quotes that go right against it.

I've played the second quest but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe the king didn't know if there was any connection. Or maybe he didn't want a bunch of fallen forgotten gods to get their hopes up just because a boy may or may not be related to some legendary hero. Perhaps he wanted to wait and see what Link could do regardless if he was the Hero of Time's descendant or not. Should we dismiss Neo was the one when the Oracle said he wasn't. Maybe this is the ame thing here.

The King spends the most time with Link, and it seems he came to the right conclusion. Link isn't the hero of time per say and I doubt he is a desendant. As for the Neo thing. Watch the film again and notice that the Oracle says he is waiting for something 'another life perhaps'. Neo then gets killed by Smith, but ressurects and destroys Smith (having realised he is the 'one'). So the Oracle was right - more so than other's realised.

Hence, I did conclude somethings. 1) OoT Link and WW Link have no connection (quote from WW). 2) WW Link is related to the 'hero' (which I take to be a reference to a past Link). 3) WW Link is the Hero of Winds and not the Hero of Time per say. 4) IF Nintendo are hinting towards anything in regards to WW Links desendants, then it is that TMC Link is related to WW Link. I agree that this is not definate, but IF they have shown which hero WW Link is related to, I put my money on it being TMC Link as the hero that WW Link is related to is not said to be the Hero of Time (though even if it were, it still doesn't mean OoT Link even then, as Hero of Time seems to be a transferable title).

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:16 PM

Isn't the WW shield also the LA shield?

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:20 PM

Strangely, the Hylian sheild in OoT is too big for Link but it's smaller in MM. Yet, the sheild in TWW is the same size as the MM, but woodedn. Solution? All different sheilds. Hylian Sheild for adult, Hylian sheild made for Link (by Zelda) and a cheap wooden sheild with markings painted on because Link's grandmother is poor.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:50 PM

Strangely, the Hylian sheild in OoT is too big for Link but it's smaller in MM.


If I recall correctly the shield in Majora's Mask looked different and was called the "Hero's Shield".

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 02:11 PM

None as far as I know. I was just pointing out a quote

:zelda: Zelda/Sheik :ph34r: says
"As I see you standing there holding the mythical Master Sword, you really do look like the legendary Hero of Time...".

Now explain to me, why would she say he looks  like the legendary Hero of Time, if he is the first and only hero of time? Legendary seems to suggest that Link looks like someone from a long time ago - which would mean that the Hero of Time is a title given to different Links because they keep reappearing when there is danger. Who the Link before OoT actually is OTOH, is another question completely. A guess would be the guy that looked like Link from TMC Bs (though it is only a guess).



Like Chaltab said, she only meant Link looked the part. Meaning he would be remembered as a great legend which turned out to be true according to TWW. It would be something more along the lines of "Yeah you could pass as the Legendary Hero of Time."TWW Link is also told his name will go down in history which has yet to happen. It's just what people predict will happen after many generations.

WW Link has a family shield that was stated as being 'used by the hero himself'. This doesn't say which hero, and in particular, doesn't say 'the Hero of Time' (which is a phrase that is always used when talking about OoT Link in tWW).

The Hero, not a Hero. There is only one hero mentioned in TWW. And that was OoT Link.

This suggests WW Link is related to one of the Links, but not necessearly OoT Link. TMC Link seems the obvious choice as he has the SAME shield as WW Link. Of all the Links we know of, this is the only one that seems to fit with the shield. However, as TMC wasn't even released during WW, I am not suprised they talked mostly about OoT Link, and made no further references to the other Link. Any connection between WW Link and TMC Link will ONLY be shown in TMC and not WW due to when the games were release.



And yet there was no connection between TMC and TWW in TMC either, aside from the common art style.

Also, Ganon refering to the Hero of Time being reborn doesn't suggest they are related as there are numerous quotes from the wise folk in WW that state otherwise. Ganon just means that he is the one chosen by destiny to weild the Triforce of Courage.

Ganondorf would know better than anyone else if TWW Link is related to the Hero of Time or not since no one was closer to the Hero of Time than Ganondorf himself.

DEKU TREE
"That garb you wear... Could you be the legendary hero? Has the king at long last found the Hero of Time? What is the matter? Do you not understand the ancient Hylian tongue? So...you are not the Hero of Time."


He was confusing TWW Link with the actual Hero of Time. This doesn't mean he's not related to the Hero of Time. It just means he's not familar with the dialect spoken in the Hero of Time's era. I'm Puerto Rican but I can barely understand spanish. Does that mean I'm not related to my ancestors?

JABUN:
"If you have sought me out...it must mean you have found the Hero of Time, does it not?"
KING OF RED LIONS:
"Unfortunately, that is not so."

KING OF RED LIONS:
"The one I have brought with me has no connection to the legendary one. And yet I sense great promise in the courage that this one possesses."

So we now see that Link has NO CONNECTION to the Hero of Time. So what is he? He is a hero, and he is a desendant of a past hero.



Again, Jabun is confusing Link with the actual Hero of Time. Both Jabun and the great Deku Tree seem to think that the Hero of Time can travel throughout whole eras. KORL is simply correcting them, saying this dude's not him. Whether he's biologically related to the Hero of Time could not have been determined by KORL unless he did a DNA test.

KING OF RED LIONS:
Surely, from this moment on, you shall be known as the Hero of Winds...

The Link in WW is hence refered to as the Hero of Winds... Hmmm why does this all sound familiar? Maybe because the 'hero' in TMC, FS and FSA not only look EXACTLY like Link, not only does TMC Link have the SAME shield, but they also fight a WIND mage. I fail to see how it could be more obvious that IF Nintendo are making a connection to who WW Link is related to, it clearly isn't the OoT Link, but TMC Link instead. If you don't agree with it being TMC Link then fine, but by no means can you say he is related to OoT Link. After all, there are quotes that go right against it.

Link is known as the Hero of Winds because he mastered the winds much like the Hero of Time mastered the flow of time. The Links in the FS saaga and TMC did not master wind. One simply mastered splitting into four clones and the other mastered changing sizes. The Wind Mage is only in there to carry on the wind theme like they carried on the art style. There is no real storyline connection between TWW and those games. Just because they look the same doesn't mean anything. TWW looks nothing like OoT and yet it has more connection with ooT than any other Zelda game that has ever been released.

Hence, I did conclude somethings. 1) OoT Link and WW Link have no connection (quote from WW). 2) WW Link is related to the 'hero' (which I take to be a reference to a past Link). 3) WW Link is the Hero of Winds and not the Hero of Time per say. 4) IF Nintendo are hinting towards anything in regards to WW Links desendants, then it is that TMC Link is related to WW Link. I agree that this is not definate, but IF they have shown which hero WW Link is related to, I put my money on it being TMC Link as the hero that WW Link is related to is not said to be the Hero of Time (though even if it were, it still doesn't mean OoT Link even then, as Hero of Time seems to be a transferable title).



You haven't concluded anything. Just stated your opinions.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 02:31 PM

Ganondorf would know better than anyone else if TWW Link is related to the Hero of Time or not since no one was closer to the Hero of Time than Ganondorf himself.

Ganondorf is closer to OOT Link than the Deku Tree? They barely met each other at all. There was that brief battle outside of Hyrule Market, and then the final battle. How is he closer to the hero of time than everyone else?

Does anyone have the original Japanese quote of that scene? I just find that statement quite weird, as it goes against every other statement about WW Link in the entire game, and even in interviews from Anouma about the game.


Again, Jabun is confusing Link with the actual Hero of Time. Both Jabun and the great Deku Tree seem to think that the Hero of Time can travel throughout whole eras. KORL is simply correcting them, saying this dude's not him. Whether he's biologically related to the Hero of Time could not have been determined by KORL unless he did a DNA test

That still means that Link can't be a reencarnation of the Hero of Time.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 02:38 PM

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 02:38 PM

Uh, the Great Deku Tree died in OoT. His knowlege was passed on to the Deku Sprout but the Deku Sprout didn't know Link personally. He just talked to Link once. That is, assuming that TWW Deku Tree is the DEku Sprout grown up and not some third generation Deku Tree, which seems more likely.

What interviews. Provide quotes.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 03:00 PM

The only way I see that the two could be related is that they are both alike to each other, but not only that, they both must have knight blood. Did it not say somewhere that all the heros of legend would be related to knights?

And about the shield thing, there could have been so many shields just like that, but only one would have been from the royal family tomb. The one Oot Link had.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 03:06 PM

Well the knights blood thing is from ALttP and that only applies to the ALttP Link. Of course you could argue that the Knights blood originated from OoT Link and all the other Links are born from that bloodline.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 03:22 PM

Like Chaltab said, she only meant Link looked the part. Meaning he would be remembered as a great legend which turned out to be true according to TWW. It would be something more along the lines of "Yeah you could pass as the Legendary Hero of Time."TWW Link is also told his name will go down in history which has yet to happen. It's just what people predict will happen after many generations.

That seems like your take on it. To say someone looks like the legindary hero of time suggests that he looks like a legendary person known as the hero of time. This could be a translation error, or it could suggest that this character named Link keeps appearing (via reincarnation of somesort) when there is trouble and has hence existed before OoT.

The Hero, not a Hero. There is only one hero mentioned in TWW. And that was OoT Link.

That doesn't mean it has to be the OoT Link. Not only does it not say 'the hero of time' (a title used for OoT Link in WW), but it could easily mean the hero that keeps coming to save Hyrule (i.e. different incarnations of Link). Fact is, it doesn't have to be Link from OoT, and later quotes prove that it's not.

And yet there was no connection between TMC and TWW in TMC either, aside from the common art style.

My point was that we know WW Link is a desendant of a hero. It says in WW he has no connection to OoT Link. Hence, the most likely hero he is a desendant of is Link from TMC because WW's family shield is the same as the shield Link gets from Princess Zelda in TMC. TMC also has the same characters (or at least their ancestors) as the ones from WW, and has Link and Zelda looking the same as they do in WW. If I was to guess, I would say that TMC is WW Link's ancestor, but I appreciate that you may disagree. However, to say WW Link is a desendant of OoT Link is unfounded.

Ganondorf would know better than anyone else if TWW Link is related to the Hero of Time or not since no one was closer to the Hero of Time than Ganondorf himself.

WTF??? Which game were you playing? Outside the final battle, Ganon and Link meet for less than a minute. The King spent the most time with him and confirmed that he has 'no connection' to OoT Link. Also note that just like all the other oldies that thought Link was related to the OoT Link, Ganon clearly thought the same, but the King wasn't there to correct him.

He was confusing TWW Link with the actual Hero of Time. This doesn't mean he's not related to the Hero of Time. It just means he's not familar with the dialect spoken in the Hero of Time's era. I'm Puerto Rican but I can barely understand spanish. Does that mean I'm not related to my ancestors?

You're right, he was confused, but the King put him straight. Again, the King knows Link best. If Jabun and Deku Tree were confused (which they were), then it reasons that Ganon was as well.

KORL is simply correcting them, saying this dude's not him. Whether he's biologically related to the Hero of Time could not have been determined by KORL unless he did a DNA test.

To say someone has 'no connection' to another person can only suggest that they have 'no connection'. This INCLUDES bloodline, otherwise the King would say 'he is of the bloodline of the Hero of Time, though not the Hero of Time himself', which he doesn't. No connection means no connection.

Link is known as the Hero of Winds because he mastered the winds much like the Hero of Time mastered the flow of time. The Links in the FS saaga and TMC did not master wind. One simply mastered splitting into four clones and the other mastered changing sizes. The Wind Mage is only in there to carry on the wind theme like they carried on the art style. There is no real storyline connection between TWW and those games. Just because they look the same doesn't mean anything. TWW looks nothing like OoT and yet it has more connection with ooT than any other Zelda game that has ever been released.

OoT is the game that is refered to the most in WW but that doesn't mean WW Link and OoT Link are related. Looking at the game itself, we then see that there is no connection between these 2 Links. As I said, it is only my guess that WW Link and TMC Link are related, but it is a fact that WW Link and OoT Link are not related.

You haven't concluded anything. Just stated your opinions.

Wrong. I have proven that OoT Link and WW Link are not related. No connection MEANS no connection.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 03:57 PM

Are you trying to say that in game that directly refers back to the events of OoT and the OoT Link, that the main hero would be the descendant of another yet to be mentioned Link who's feats had nothing to do with TWW or it's Backstory? If TWW Link is not a descendant of OoT Link then he's not a decendant of any other Link.

WTF??? Which game were you playing? Outside the final battle, Ganon and Link meet for less than a minute. The King spent the most time with him and confirmed that he has 'no connection' to OoT Link. Also note that just like all the other oldies that thought Link was related to the OoT Link, Ganon clearly thought the same, but the King wasn't there to correct him.


Ganondorf was not confused. Unlike the tree and the fish, Ganondorf did not mistake Link for the actual Hero of Time himself but the Hero Time reborn. KORL only corrected the dieties because he knew that Link was not a long awaited time traveler from the distant past but a boy from an island looking for his beloved sister. Ganondorf knew this too. He was the one who held his sister hostage. And just because we don't see Ganondorf [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] in OoT, doesn't mean he wasn't following Link's every move. In fact, the pulling of the Master Sword scene proves that Ganondorf was doing just that. Also, there's no better way to know a person than through battle. Which is why he tested TWW Link with puppet ganon. To see if he really was any connection between the two Links.

And even so, Ganondorf would know more about Link than King Daphnes would ever know since be the time King Daphnes was King, OoT Link had become nothing more than a legend.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:05 PM

How would the King know anything about OoT Link other than through legend, mohammed?

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:18 PM

How would the King know anything about OoT Link other than through legend, mohammed?

The King seems very wise and seems to be able to sence things, like the potential that the Link has. I imagine the King knows about OoT Link, and as it isn't stated when Ganon actually returned before WW, he may even know where Link went after OoT. The fact is that he seems to know what he is talking about so although his relationship with OoT Link isn't stated, he (as well as the Deku Tree and Jabun) all seem to be well aquainted with the Hero of Time. The King said Link has no connection with the Hero of Time and says so in a factual manor rather than as an opinion. It is clear, at least to me, that the game is trying to drive home the fact that this is a random boy that is on a quest for his sister, and nothing to do with the Hero of Time as we know him. I mean if you can't trust a red talking boat, who can you trust? :lmao:

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:21 PM

Ganondorf would know better than anyone else if TWW Link is related to the Hero of Time or not since no one was closer to the Hero of Time than Ganondorf himself.


Ahem. Navi and Tatl???

Also, I don't think that the OoT and TWW Links are biologically related. Link in OoT didn't have any descendants.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:40 PM

Ahem. Navi and Tatl???.


I meant people present in TWW.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:44 PM

They could be. They might not be. It doesn't make much difference, and if Link did return to Hyrule and had a child with Malon or whatever, then it's quite likely the entire island's Hylian population comes from Link. In fact, Aryll is meant to be the Malon of this game - says garsh or coinilius or penguin or someone.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:57 PM

Are you trying to say that in game that directly refers back to the events of OoT and the OoT Link, that the main hero would be the descendant of another yet to be mentioned Link who's feats had nothing to do with TWW or it's Backstory? If TWW Link is not a descendant of OoT Link then he's not a decendant of any other Link.

I am saying that WW Link is not a desendant of OoT Link, though he does seem to be a desendant of 'the hero'. As the hero seems like a reference to any of the Links before WW, my GUESS is that he is a desendant of TMC Link.

Ganondorf was not confused. Unlike the tree and the fish, Ganondorf did not mistake Link for the actual Hero of Time himself but the Hero Time reborn. KORL only corrected the dieties because he knew that Link was not a long awaited time traveler from the distant past but a boy from an island looking for his beloved sister. Ganondorf knew this too. He was the one who held his sister hostage.

If Link was the Hero of Time reborn like Ganon said, then this can still mean he has no biological link to OoT Link. i.e. reincarnation of some sort. Hence, this quote doesn't prove they are related. The quote from the King then shows us that OoT Link and WW Link have NO connection. i.e. they CANNOT be related. Both quotes are now resolved as much as possible with this explination.

And just because we don't see Ganondorf [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] in OoT, doesn't mean he wasn't following Link's every move. In fact, the pulling of the Master Sword scene proves that Ganondorf was doing just that. Also, there's no better way to know a person than through battle. Which is why he tested TWW Link with puppet ganon. To see if he really was any connection between the two Links.

Ganon still doesn't seem that close to Link, as he at best watched him from afar and only when he was a kid. It makes more sence that Ganon would be confused, and unaware of what happened to Link after he was beaten.

As far as fighting goes, note that WW Link and OoT Link the spin attack from completely different places, though the technique itself seems similar. It's not hard to be confused and think it is the same person based on how they fight (which is the only time Ganon and OoT Link spend some 'quality time' together).

And even so, Ganondorf would know more about Link than King Daphnes would ever know since be the time King Daphnes was King, OoT Link had become nothing more than a legend.

It is unknown what relationship the King and OoT Link shared so such an assumption cannot be made. We do not even know how long after the great flood happened, or if the Royal family knew something others didn't (link Zelda sending Link back in time, if that created another timeline then perhaps the King KNEW it couldn't be his desendant).

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 08:37 PM

I wonder what is with Nintendo's sudden desire to name all the new Hyrulean Kings. First Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule, then King Daltus in TMC, and even the dead King who gives you the Veil Falls kinstone has a name, though it escapes me at the moment.




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