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#31 Hero of Winds

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Posted 13 November 2004 - 04:23 PM

OT: I got Minish Cap yesterday, I'm on level 4. It is so excellent.


Nayru, Din and Farore can give you charms like their items in OoT. I agree with Tri-enforcer, but another argument is that Nayru could take them through time.


Doubtful. The Oracles don't seem like the kind of people to do that. That's like saying Link would use his ocarina to travel through time and cheat death.

Either the Oracles just naturally live longer (because of their mystical blood), or the Oracles are just a line of descendants all sharing the same names (probably to secure their powers).

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Posted 13 November 2004 - 05:21 PM

Actually, they're charms aren't like the OoT ones. Din's increases strength, Nayru's increases Defense, and I think Farore's increases both, but to a lesser degree... They're potions basically. They're also things called Chirorias or something that when taken increase your chances of Hearts, Rupees, Kinstones, Fairies, Shells, or Items from dropping when you kill enemies.

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 04:56 AM

You mean the potions the Oracles give you? They temporarilty change Link's color.

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 01:15 PM

OOOooo! good point, Zythe! I never thought about that! Perhaps the Nayru takes the Oracles through time to help all the different Links (Well, the ones they meet) on their quests juuuuust enough so as not to interfere with destiny?

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 02:11 PM

I got The Minish Cap on the day of UK release, and one of the Gallery characters of the minish, says that the minish like to hide rupees and other items in bushes, trees, and under rocks and pots.

I guess that explains why Link finds things randomly in games. And if what Zether says is acurate, this is most deffinatly the very first game in the series.

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 02:53 PM

I'm slightly dissapointed with the Minish, cap, no I haven't finished it though I have got pretty far, it seems slightly too short, compared to the length of a LttP, which I was hoping this game was going to at least equal. This game really needs a sequal or two... It actually lasts ages, getting all kinstones and figurines, but there's just not enough dungeons for my liking.

BTW does anyone know how to house the third "God", I've down Farore and Din, I just don't now how to shift those cats.

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 03:31 PM

I got The Minish Cap on the day of UK release, and one of the Gallery characters of the minish, says that the minish like to hide rupees and other items in bushes, trees, and under rocks and pots.


That settles it for me, then. The creation of the Armors; the hiding of rupees and items in pots, rocks, and grass; Link getting his cap for the first time; the allusion to the FS and Oracle games. All of this points to TMC being the first in the series.

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 09:52 PM

Doubtful. The Oracles don't seem like the kind of people to do that. That's like saying Link would use his ocarina to travel through time and cheat death.

Either the Oracles just naturally live longer (because of their mystical blood), or the Oracles are just a line of descendants all sharing the same names (probably to secure their powers).


Actually, Nayru takes Queen Ambi on a journey through time if you play a linked game with Ages first and then Seasons, simply so that she can visit places and learn how to be a better Queen (or something like that). So Nayru has been shown to use her time travel powers for somewhat trivial purposes.

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 05:38 PM

OOOooo! good job, Coin! :P you just provided us with vital evidence. However, maybe Nayru's purposes aren't trivial. perhaps she did what she did in Oracles to both undo the evil she did when possessed, and to help time flowing naturally by making sure Ambi does her part in history (kinda like the Futurama paradox where Fry is his own grandpa.)

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 10:09 PM

After Dungeon 4, you see the ghost of an Ancient Hylian King called Gustaf who guides you to the Royal Valley.

So that takes us up to 3 named kings of Hyrule now.

preMC
- Ancient King Gustaf Hyrule
MC
- King Daltus Hyrule
OoT
- NAMELESS (possibly Dauphnes)
WW
- King Dauphnes Nohansen Hyrule
AoL
- NAMELESS (non-canon King Harkinian Hyrule)
ALttP
- NAMELESS

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 02:56 PM

I doubt the oracles are traveling through time, even if Nayru has done it for trivial purposes before. There are two general rules for time travelers and that's no interaction with the loacals and to alwys keep a low profile. Usually in frantasy/sci-fi stories, recreational time traveling is only used for observation purposes. Anything more than that usually ends up with disasterous results. From what I've heard, not only do they interact with the people of that time period, they're pretty well-known too, almost celebrities even. Being the oracle of time traveling, I think Nayru would know better that. But hey! I haven't played the game, so what do I know?

What's wrong with the Oracles coming right after TMC? If there are multiple Ganons, and it seems to be more and more just the case, the one from th oracles is not the same one from OoT but rather the pig demon we see in TMC's intro.

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 04:01 PM

I doubt the oracles are traveling through time, even if Nayru has done it for trivial purposes before. There are two general rules for time travelers and that's no interaction with the loacals and to alwys keep a low profile. Usually in frantasy/sci-fi stories, recreational time traveling is only used for observation purposes. Anything more than that usually ends up with disasterous results. From what I've heard, not only do they interact with the people of that time period, they're pretty well-known too, almost celebrities even. Being the oracle of time traveling, I think Nayru would know better that. But hey! I haven't played the game, so what do I know?

What's wrong with the Oracles coming right after TMC? If there are multiple Ganons, and it seems to be more and more just the case, the one from th oracles is not the same one from OoT but rather the pig demon we see in TMC's intro.


A) The demon from TMC's intro wasn't said to be Ganon. In fact, OoT implies that this (OoT) is the first appearance of Ganon.

B) Ganon is dead in Oracles.

C) The Triforce is in Hyrule Castle in Oracles, but the Triforce was never mentioned in TMC, was it?

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 04:28 PM

 
C) The Triforce is in Hyrule Castle in Oracles, but the Triforce was never mentioned in TMC, was it?


Right, you only see the Triforce Symbols around Hyrule (or better at the Castle and the City and maybe some other places, too).
Only the 'Force' is mentioned, but not the 'real' Triforce.

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 05:03 PM

The light force ... I beleive is Triforce of Wisdom ... in the stained glass windows it is what you see as the power in the Zelda line, Vaati drained two thirds from Zelda (Potho's daughter, TMC) and I think the remaining third in combination with the mage's cap and Vaati's defeat was enough for Zelda to retrieve the rest.

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 05:14 PM

My guess is that Zelda used the Hat of Wishing to return the rest of the Force back to her, where she subsequently used the Force to restore Hyrule to normal.

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 07:50 PM

Yea, I agree with most of this, and all, but how can we know for sure the Oracles didn't WANT to be well known? What if they had to do it in order to do their job(s)? Like, perhaps the the Hyrulian equilvelent of Jesus, Incarnations/Children/Annointed of the Goddesses to do their work when needed, and they have to use their charisma to help Hyrule band together to support Link? Perhaps they're the ones running around tying up loose ends? (making sure each Link wears green or something. GASP! Maybe they combined their power to cause the flood of TWW :o) But I'm deviating from my main point. The Oracles are probably servants of the Goddesses, directly or indirectly doesn't matter. Also, I don't think this Force is the Triforce. That would mess up one of the facts we DO know. The Triforce's status throughout history. Perhaps the Force is the blessing of the goddesses, like the Minish gave Link the Force at first, marking him as the chosen one of the goddesses, and then he passed it to Zelda's line, giving her bloodline the power of prophecy and so forth? (Zelda has prophetic powers even without her triforce peice, as I recall from OOT)

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 09:18 PM

SPOILER: Basic Story

Well, we know the basic premise. There was the legend of the Hero saving Hyrule with the Pikkoru or Minish Blade I guess. The story starts with Link taking his grandfather's sword (he's a smithie named Smith) to be presented to the winner of a martial arts contest; one mysterious person named Vaati. Anyway, when being presented with the sword, the legendary Minish Blade is also on display, placed inside a large chest, supposedly sealing monsters and the Golden Light bestowed upon the Hylians by the Minish known as Force. Vaati goes evil, and shatters the Minish Blade, releasing all of the monsters. But wait! The Force is nowehere to be found. He turns Zelda to stone and storms off. Link, who had been knowcked unconscious, wakes up and is then asked by Zelda's father I guess, King Dalton, to save Zelda. Apparently, only the Power of the Minish Sword can break the "Demon's Curse" that has afflicted her. But being that the sword was broken, it has to be fixed by the Minish themselves. The Minish, tiny little people who can only be seen by children, were thought only to be legends. Link, being a child, is sent off to find them.

- Just to clear some things up. The Picori is the term the Hylians use for the race from another realm, aka The Minish. However, the creatures themselves refer to themselves as "The Minish".

- The Light Force was a gift of The Minish to the race of men. The Minish call Hylians "humans" and call their world "the world of men". The Light Force gives ultimate magic power.

- Along with the Light Force, the Minish blessed the world of men with magic and gifts. They only want to see the humans happy, and the Minish become stronger and more powerful with the happiness of humanity (this could explain why they may die off later on in the series).

- The Minish in Hyrule are in fact, descendants of ancient minish who came through ages ago to the land of Hyrule.

BIGGER SPOILERS: Finner Points of Story

Along the way, Link enters the Chiroria Forest, and finds the Mysterious Hat, Ezro under attack from Oktoroks. Link saves him... or it... and finds out Ezro was also in fact finding a way to break the Demon's Curse.

- The Minish Village is in...The Minish Forest. Ezlo is the name of the "hat" that talks. He joins because he wants to break Vaati's curse on himself, and on Princess Zelda.

He decides to tag along, and eventually decides to hop onto Link's head because he can't walk fast.

- Same in English.

Ezro also seems to have the ability to shrink Link at certain "Entrances" to the Minish world. In the forest, they find a Minish settlemeent. Link learns that to fix the Minish Sword, they need to first take it to Melter in the Gongol mountains. Then the sword must be bestowed by the four Elements: Earth, Fire, Water Droplet, and Wind. So Link sets off on his more complicated adventure.

- The Portals were created a long time ago to allow Humans to travel into the Minish world.

SUPER SPOILERS: Plot Twist

After gaining the first two Elements, Link has the now restored Minish Sword (now called White Sword) and bestows it with the Elements of Fire and Earth in the Sacred Presinct or something inside the Castle that only Kids can see or something.

- It's called the Elemental Sanctuary/Shrine. It can only be seen by Link and Ezlo.

Sacred Area I think is the same kanji they used for the Sacred Meadow in OoT, and all the place where the Four Sword was in the FS games. Anyway, the Elements let you split into more copies of yourself, thus 2 elements make two Links.
After that, Link is confronted by Vaati outside. However, it turns out Vaati seems to know Vaati knows Ezro from somewhere (he calls him master) and even thanks him for something. After he leaves (not without summoning monsters) Ezro tells Link that in truth, both he and Vaati are Minish. Ezro had made something called the Hat of Wishes, that could, as its name would suggest, can grant wishes. Vaati had stolen it, and became his humanoid form as you see him. Vaati then casts the Demon's Curse on Ezro, and turns him into a hat. Unfortunately, due to some unexplained reason, Ezro says that the curs eon him can no longer be broken, but there is still a chance to save Zelda.

- Ezlo was creating some cap (forgot the name) to give to the race of men that would grant their wishes. Vaati was Ezlo's pupil, but he was deranged and snuck into Ezlo's shop and stole the cap for himself. He wished to become the most powerful sorcerer in the world in hopes of finding the Light Source from the "Sacred World" that only opens every 100 years - he says his plan is to win the tournament and claim it then. He then will rule the world (does this sound familiar). Ezlo explains the only thing that can stop him is the power of the Picori Blade, which when combined with all 4 elements, will become a Legendary Blade and it can break the curse on Zelda and himself.
Vaati, meanwhile, attacks the king, and disguises himself as him. He then commands the knights to search for the Force.

UBER SPOILERS OF DOOM: Ending

Well, Link collects the Elements, a new doorway opens in the Sacred Presinct. There Link finds the stained glass pictures in the opening, except with the added scene where you find out that the Princesses, (i.e. Zelda) hold the Force. Vaati finds out, and shoots Link unconscious again. When he wakes, the Castle is transformed to be evil like. Blah blah blag, last Temple, Link finds Vaati about to take the Force from Zelda. Vaati hadn't had time to completely extract the Force, but now has enough power to transform into his Monster/Demon self. Cue last boss fight(s).

- The Stained glass expands on the story of the intro, but it goes into depth about Zelda's bloodline. It explains that the first Zelda was granted the Light Force and it is bound to her bloodline. Vaati gains part of that force from Zelda, and begins to transform the world (starting with Hyrule Castle) into an "Evil Realm" (this MAY explain how the Dark World could exist before OoT).

When Link finally defeats Vaati and saves Zelda, the Hat of Wishes is all that is left of Vaati. Ezro, mourning the loss of the Castle and people, is suddenly returned to his normal self. He then tells Zelda that she can fix everything because the Force is in her (heh heh) and the Wishing Hat would amplify her power.Hurray for happy endings. Everything is all good, and the Wishing hat is destroyed. The doorway to the Minish World that opens every 100 years is closing, so Ezro shrinks back to his normal size, and goes home. But before that, he gives Link a hat so as to remember him or some junk.

- He talks about Courage when he gives Link the green hat...and a Triforce appears in your inventory on the main menu of the File Select Screen - one piece above your sword.

At the very end of the credits there is some more lines about this being Link's first adventure and Hyrule seeing more stuff later.

- So long as Link and Zelda have the light force, they will continue to go on many adventures...

RANDOM SPOILERS: Non-storyline Stuff

Din, Nayru and Farore from the Oracles are in this game. Well, not really. According to Nayru's figure I have, they say they are decendants of the famous ones in Labrynna.

- Just to comment - we have no idea of the Oracles life spans. They could have existed from Day 1 of the world, and be the VERY same Oracles in the CAPCOM games - and they could take place later on...

Syrup is in the game again, and there is a random old lady named Maple.

- There are other great characters like Eenie, Meenie, the 12 months (May, June, July, August...), Sturgeon, Postman, etc...

Gorons are in the game, but no other races (other than Deku, and the People of the Wind.)

- People of the Wind used to live in Hyrule, but departed for the heavens sometime ago. You still meet them, however...

Great Fairies now have an insect motif, so there's a Dragonfly, a Butterfly, and a May Fly.

- I didn't get that, unless it was in the figurines...they all come out as "fairies", then transform into the great fairy figure found in Four Swords for GBA.

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Posted 18 November 2004 - 12:13 PM

A) The demon from TMC's intro wasn't said to be Ganon. In fact, OoT implies that this (OoT) is the first appearance of Ganon.

B) Ganon is dead in Oracles.

C) The Triforce is in Hyrule Castle in Oracles, but the Triforce was never mentioned in TMC, was it?

A. It could be the first appearance of that Ganon or it could it's the same Ganon but it's just that TMC happened so long ago barely anyone rembered him. In fact, since OoT no longer has to be the first game in the series, why must it be the second? LttP and Loz could have easily taken place before OoT if you let go of the belief that there is only one Ganon. For all we know, save MM and TWW, OoT could be last!

B. What does that have to do with anything? If the Ganon in the Oracles is the same one in the TMC intro, then obviously he was killed by the Hero of Men. The Ganon we see in ooT could just be his diembodied sspirit possesing Ganondorf.

C. I think Zythe kinda cleared that one up already.

D. When is Nintendo going to stop making prequels!?

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Posted 18 November 2004 - 07:28 PM

Uh....Mario. Sorry to burst your bubble, but when OOT was released, it became factual information that it came before the other Zelda games before it. Also, they meant Ganon was DEAD dead. It's commonly accepted that Oracles comes after LTTP. if this is true, then that means Ganon was completely destroyed, spirit and all, like the TRIFORCE said ~.~ Anyway, moving on.

TSA, good job on your most recent post! I don't think the Hylians would of given the Minish a name that did not suit them. and the "Ri" suffix in japanese always implies the word is holy of some sort, and the Minish do seem to be holy, what with living off happiness and whatnot. The Force being the source of Hylian magic? INGENIUS! That means it could be possible that Hylians were humans at one time, and the Force made them evolve into the most powerful race! it definately seems to be the case that the Royal line channels the Force to the guardians of Hyrule, then to the public (Like how TWW Link didn't have magical power (as far as we know) until he got a part of the Deku Tree)

Also, if I may ask, Who are the People of Wind? I know their from FSA, but...

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Posted 18 November 2004 - 09:06 PM

Uh....Mario. Sorry to burst your bubble, but when OOT was released, it became factual information that it came before the other Zelda games before it. Also, they meant Ganon was DEAD dead. It's commonly accepted that Oracles comes after LTTP. if this is true, then that means Ganon was completely destroyed, spirit and all, like the TRIFORCE said ~.~ Anyway, moving on.


Actually, in the GBA version of aLttP, the Essence of the Triforce's line about Ganon being 'completely' destroyed is removed - there's oppurtunity for Ganon to return after aLttP.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:14 AM

OoT was a prequel to all previous games when it was released. But this doesn't mean later games can't take place before OoT. I think that ALttP still comes after OoT, because it refers to events from OoT, and also says that Ganondorf became Ganon. There's still no reason to think there are multiple Ganons and Ganondorfs, but there is plenty of reason now to think that Ganon and Ganondorf are separate people (thanks to FSA), and that Ganon simply inhabits different hosts, Ganondorf being one of them.

Just to comment - we have no idea of the Oracles life spans. They could have existed from Day 1 of the world, and be the VERY same Oracles in the CAPCOM games - and they could take place later on...

Ralph said that he grew up with Nayru. This implies that Nayru was born a normal human child during the Oracle of Ages time period.

It's commonly accepted that Oracles comes after LTTP.

This is based on old information. It is by no means proven that the Oracle games come after ALttP. With the new information from FSA that Ganon could be a different person from Ganondorf, this game could really take place at any time (assuming it doesn't conflict with the location of the Triforce or the status of Ganon). We can simply say that Twinrova is trying to revive Ganon, not Ganondorf.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:35 AM

the "Ri" suffix in japanese always implies the word is holy of some sort, and the Minish do seem to be holy


Two things, I don't know of any ri suffix like that... and even so, in Japanese they're called Pikkoru. Anyway, I'll look into the Japanese text about the Force.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:28 PM

Also, if I may ask, Who are the People of Wind? I know their from FSA, but...


They're called the Wind Tribe in the MC and they look well.....foreign, beards and the men wear these sort of Assyrian helmet things and the women wear shawls and have their hair in a bun. Oh yes, they live in the clouds.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 04:25 PM

I'm glad my theories have been so widely accepted and agreed with (for once).

But I'm deviating from my main point. The Oracles are probably servants of the Goddesses, directly or indirectly doesn't matter. Also, I don't think this Force is the Triforce. That would mess up one of the facts we DO know. The Triforce's status throughout history. Perhaps the Force is the blessing of the goddesses, like the Minish gave Link the Force at first, marking him as the chosen one of the goddesses, and then he passed it to Zelda's line, giving her bloodline the power of prophecy and so forth? (Zelda has prophetic powers even without her triforce peice, as I recall from OOT)

The force is implied to be the triforce in several places, specifically because it is pictured as a golden triangle. Calling it the light force, only adds to the theory that this is pre-OOT, because the name evolved throughout history. Also, the 'triforce' by name is three 'forces', so it could easily be "Light force of wisdom/power/courage".

. Link, who had been knowcked unconscious, wakes up and is then asked by Zelda's father I guess, King Dalton,


He's called King Potho, the dead king's ghost begins with D though, either of these two kings could be the "father of the sleeping Zelda" who made the AoL guardians.

TSA, good job on your most recent post! I don't think the Hylians would of given the Minish a name that did not suit them. and the "Ri" suffix in japanese always implies the word is holy of some sort, and the Minish do seem to be holy, what with living off happiness and whatnot. The Force being the source of Hylian magic? INGENIUS! That means it could be possible that Hylians were humans at one time, and the Force made them evolve into the most powerful race! it definately seems to be the case that the Royal line channels the Force to the guardians of Hyrule, then to the public (Like how TWW Link didn't have magical power (as far as we know) until he got a part of the Deku Tree)


No, just no. It's the triforce, and it seems to pass on from one female 'Hyrule' (Zelda's last name) to the next (when I don't know, it could be like in TWW where they each have a bit untill one dies, or it could be given to the newborn princess or be transferred upon death, who knows).

Also, could Vaati be the wizard of the AOL-BS? Could TMC Zelda be the sleeping Zelda, seeing as this is pre-OOT. I'm well aware she hasn't been put to sleep, but Vaati could always return.

Another thing, when are we going to see more than one princess/Queen at the same time named Zelda? I'd love to see a game with two sisters named Zelda and a mother named Zelda, confusing, huh?

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 04:46 PM

Here are the English names of some of the main characters, as people seem to be getting them confused...

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Minister Potho - In charge of Zelda's wellbeing

Ezlo - Once a minish sorcerer, was transformed into a cap by Vaati

King Daltus - Once a fine swordsman now King

King Gustave - An ancient King of Hyrule

Smith - Childhood friend and rival of King Daltus, Link's Grandfather, was a great swordsman

Vaati - Once a minish and Ezlo's assistant. He is after the force the minish gave to the Hylia.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 05:03 PM

With all this talk about the Force being the gift from the Minish, could it be possible Din, Nayru, and Farore are infact Minish?

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 05:39 PM

With all this talk about the Force being the gift from the Minish, could it be possible Din, Nayru, and Farore are infact Minish?


Interesting idea. The Minish did come down from the sky to give the Triforce to Hyrule, and the Goddesses were said to come from a distant nebula.

Zythe, you also said something I like. Perhaps the Light Force is actually the True Force spoken of in ALttP (the power of the whole Triforce).

God, this game's story rocks.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 08:12 PM

OOOoooooooo! thanks for answering all my questions, guys! and wow, since MC is first in the timeline, and the games spread over several centuries, it could be possible that the Goddesses WERE Minish, and they became so revered over the centuries that the people started seeing them as actual deities, if the Minish are not some sort of deity race anyway. So...let's think. The Triforce could of been in Zelda's Bloodline, and then Vaati took two halves (Power and Courage, of course) and when he died, Um...the Triforce peices went to the Minish World/Sacred Realm? (it would make sense if they're the same) and...the Triforce of Wisdom got passed down and crap :P. Anyway, I would guess that All knowing Goddesses would know better than leaving an object of unbelievable power in the hands of mortals, but we do not know the Minish's full power, and since they get power from happiness, what do they care what is done with the Triforce as long as it doesn't hurt them?

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 08:15 AM

Finally I found some to people to talk with about the complete story line... :)
Yes, I'm new here because of his thread. I'm German, and I hope you can understand what I write here. Maybe some names of persons/items will be different from the English ones, but the only name comming to my mind now is Saria - her name ist Salia in the german version :D.

So, now the story line I build up:
First of all, we know that there are many Links. The total number of them should be something between 3 and 5 I think.
There are many facts saying that MC ist the very first one. The "Force" is a part of the Triforce or the whole thing itself, but I see no problem there. The Minish are introduced, who came from some holy land. Ezlo is powerful enough to make a cap which makes a wish come true, so this already sounds triforce-like.
But there is something confusing: The glasses showed at the beginning are telling of a hero - a Link without cap-, and you can find the same glasses in this holy shrine - maybe the translators got something wrong or they are not telling of the MC-link - this would be really hard to work out ^^ (We also have our King Gustave, BTW). But let's say he is the Link from Minish Cap.
BTW.:The monster showed on one of them is a Moblin(?), not some Ganon or whatever. I'm completely sure there.

The second one in row is FS and I'm pretty sure we deal with a new Link here. He cannot be the one from WW because Zelda returns back to Tetra. He also cannot be the one from MC because they should both know about the sword. It is the sword from Minish cap. When the shrine closed in MC Link still had the sword, hadn't he? And Vaati is a demon and demons have the habit to return if you don't seal them. Also we have these shrink caps in FS.

Now it is getting interesting...Oot.
Here we have the Shieka (?). We don't know much about them, but they were(!) there. We have the seven sages, and they are different from the ones in ALTP and Z1+2. Furthermore, we have the good-looking Impa instead of the fat one. So Oot is not directly connected with the OoA/S, ALLTP (so not with LA(Z4) either) and Z1+2.
Also, Oot has a split-up: WW takes place after the adult-Oot and MM takes place after the child-Oot. In WW we have no Zoras anymore (They are probably dead or under the sea, because their island is destroyed by Ganondorf). We have these locations which are similar to the old ones in Oot, the child of the deku tree is big one now, adult-Zelda's daughter is a pirat, the kokiri seemed to have turned into these freaky looking..things. The king is the same from Oot (he seems to be some kind of undead :D). After Oot comes MM, and Termina is some parallel world to hyrule. It was originally planned, so I think it still is.

Now we come to the 2D zeldas again.
But a few words about Din,Nayru and Farore (godess-forms):
They created the world of oot-hyrule, and they may have leaved it in WW. I don't think they are Minish, however, they seem to be even more powerfull than the minish are.
In my oppinion there are several Hyrules, and D/N/F created them (The created not the first one, I think, only the ALLTP and Oot). In WW they got tired of it :D. The Minish live in the same "golden" land like it exists in ALLTP, but something has changed here, because adults travelled to the golden land, like ganondorf/Agahnim/Ganon and ALTP-Link's parents.Maybe D/N/F only copied the the two-world thing from the MC-Hyrule, they don't seem to be (former) godesses there, they may become later.
Again, the connection between the world is in the castle. Ganondorf turns it into the shadow world, and makes it look like Hyrule (No one says it looked like Hyrule before his "changes"). The Minish can hide in a shadown Hyrule, too I don't see a big problem here (but there is also the DNF-theory).
The Sword of Four becomes the Master Sword by the way, loosing some of it's old power.

With Impa, the relase of the games, the official art etc., we can put together the ALTTP-Link adventures:
ALTP,LA/LA DX,OoS,OoA
We have the fat Impa in OoS/A, and in some comics about ALLTP (I think) we also have a fat Impa. Twinnorita is just another Twinnorita. Link takes the force in the intro, this might be some ehh what's the word.. "look-back" to ALTP. Link as a horse (Epona) there, but I don't think this is important. The Ganon we fight here looks exactly like the one in ALLTP. The Oracales might be the manifested godesses, but they don't know they are, I suppose. They are almost normal humans/Hylian people (Maybe they get some their god-like status again later and create the Oot-Hyrule). They come from the countries where OoA/S takes place (Minitendo says that), but they don't have to be the same ones. (This is a weak point in my DNF-theory). Maybe they only live there. Labyrinnia(?) and the other one could be creations made by D/N/F and they just "try" them out, but with the handicap loosing memories and becoming much weaker.
Maybe, after their humand-death, they become godesses again and create, hell knows why, a new Hryule, the Oot Hyrule. (Sorry, I corrected the DNF-theory while reading over the text again, I hope it isn't too confusing).

I don't know much about the Story from Z1 and Z2, but they might be also paralls like the ALLTP and the OoT-lines are. There is also a Zelda Games & Watch (I own one ^^) and you collect a part of the triforce (part!). Maybe this belongs to Z1/2?

Phew.. I hope you can understand my English ;)

BTW.: I have only one coin(?), I don't know the English name, left (so says Tingle) to combine and I think it must be the event to build the last house fot the oracles. Where do I find the person to combine with?

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 10:08 AM

Once you give Din, Nayru, or Farore the first house one of the carpenters will be hanging out by the post office. He should be your last dude. He ws my last coin thing too.

So, FYI, it seems that you're only able to give houses to two out of the three of those "Oracles."




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