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#1 Tri-Enforcer

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 12:42 PM

There is much mystery surrounding the sleeping princess in AoL (Adventures of Link).

At what point in the storyline does this backstory occur? Could this be the first ever princess named Zelda? The prince did declare that all the princesses thereafter shall be named "Zelda". From that declaration it doesn't seem as if it were already a tradition to name every princess, "Zelda". It seems more like the first time the tradition was started.

If the backstory is of the 1st ever Princess Zelda, if we place AoL on the extreme latter half of the timeline, then why wait until then to awaken the princess? There have been so many other Links who possessed the Triforce of Courage before AoL...why wait until then to tell about the sleeeping princess and awaken her?

Also, it's quite apparent this isn't the princess form the previous game before AoL, which is LoZ. We all know AoL is a direct follow up to LoZ. Why isn't the princess from LoZ mentioned in AoL? What will become of the sleeping princess now that she is awakened? Will she take over as princess, and bump off the princess from LoZ?

I'm kind of stuck with this one...any feed back would be most appreciated.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 12:58 PM

It really depends on what theory you go with.

If you believe that the HoW had the Triforce of Courage last, then, he wrote the letter explaining about how you need it to awaken the princess. Or, you can believe that the King split it up after LttP, hid the ToC, Kept the ToW, and Gave the ToP to his son. Or something.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 04:32 PM

Or... LOZ and AOL happened first. Farfetched but possible. Especially since it seems more and more we're having to accept the possibility their might be another Ganon that existed prior to OoT. And it makes sense what with Hyrule looking like it's in a Beowulf type era wheras OoT looks more like it takes place during some sort of Renaissance Period. Taking that in account, I'd place TWW last just because it looks like it's in a Tudor type age.

I don't know about the other Zelda but don't Sleeping Zelda and Link kiss at the end of AoL? Seems like she was replaced to me...

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 08:55 PM

I believe the Sleeping Zelda is the Zelda from OOT. in AOL, Hyrule seems to be split into two countries, one called West Hyrule, so I guess she'd take over one of the Hyrules. Also, in AOL, the Triforce of Courage was needed to complete the Triforce so they could wish on it! The only other time the Triforce seems to be complete was in LTTP, and Sleeping Zelda was a secret of the Sheika Clan, and they are nowhere to be seen, so LTTP Link wasn't aware and couldn't awaken her. Also, since AOL Link was the only one with the crest of the Triforce, perhaps he was the only one who could wake her up, perhaps?

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 02:11 AM

I believe the Sleeping Zelda is the Zelda from OOT. in AOL, Hyrule seems to be split into two countries, one called West Hyrule, so I guess she'd take over one of the Hyrules. Also, in AOL, the Triforce of Courage was needed to complete the Triforce so they could wish on it! The only other time the Triforce seems to be complete was in LTTP, and Sleeping Zelda was a secret of the Sheika Clan, and they are nowhere to be seen, so LTTP Link wasn't aware and couldn't awaken her. Also, since AOL Link was the only one with the crest of the Triforce, perhaps he was the only one who could wake her up, perhaps?

actually it was North hyrule.....
anyway thats an interesting theory...i do remember when the game came out everyone assumed that the sleeping Zelda was indeed the Zelda from LoZ....but how did she get to North Hyrule all the sudden eh? thats when the question arises...who was the Sleeping Zelda? and how come North Hyrule was never mentioned before?

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 07:25 AM

It hurts my head...I just go with Multi-Link theory.

The LoZ and AoL Zeldas are the same and nowhere else...The relationship between her and Link seems different there anyways...Just my opinion...I'm not going to try and reconnect out of place timelines...*shrugs*

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 01:24 PM

I believe the Sleeping Zelda is the Zelda from OOT. in AOL, Hyrule seems to be split into two countries, one called West Hyrule, so I guess she'd take over one of the Hyrules. Also, in AOL, the Triforce of Courage was needed to complete the Triforce so they could wish on it! The only other time the Triforce seems to be complete was in LTTP, and Sleeping Zelda was a secret of the Sheika Clan, and they are nowhere to be seen, so LTTP Link wasn't aware and couldn't awaken her. Also, since AOL Link was the only one with the crest of the Triforce, perhaps he was the only one who could wake her up, perhaps?


Actually, Link assembles the Triforce of Courage in TWW as well. Depending on where you place TWW on the timeline...you can run anywhere with that. What do you think now?

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actually it was North hyrule.....
anyway thats an interesting theory...i do remember when the game came out everyone assumed that the sleeping Zelda was indeed the Zelda from LoZ....but how did she get to North Hyrule all the sudden eh? thats when the question arises...who was the Sleeping Zelda? and how come North Hyrule was never mentioned before?


True. Another reason we know it's not the princess from LoZ is from the introduction to AoL. It indicates that AoL is right after LoZ, especially when their talking about using Link as a sacrifice to to revive Ganon because Link is the one that killed him back in LoZ. Also Ganon's followers were still causing trouble. Now, we go on to the sleeping princess backstory and see it took place seemingly ages ago "when Hyrule was one country"--which is not the current state of Hyrule in AoL nor LoZ.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 02:42 PM

But I thought Zelda's brother in the Sleeping Zelda backstory grew up to be the current King of LoZ and AoL. Or is this a misunderstanding on my part?

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 03:21 PM

But I thought Zelda's brother in the Sleeping Zelda backstory grew up to be the current King of LoZ and AoL. Or is this a misunderstanding on my part?


It could be...but that has yet to be indicated.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 04:28 PM

Tri-Enforcer, what does the ToC being assembled in TWW have to do with ANYTHING?! I didn't even bring that up! Mario Jr., it says the Prince grows up to be the King of Hyrule, but it never says when he lived, just like the Princess. We have to little information to work with.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 04:39 PM

Tri-Enforcer, what does the ToC being assembled in TWW have to do with ANYTHING?! I didn't even bring that up! Mario Jr., it says the Prince grows up to be the King of Hyrule, but it never says when he lived, just like the Princess. We have to little information to work with.


What I meant was that the Triforce was also united or "complete" at the end of TWW. You mentioned earlier that it was only complete in LTTP.

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I believe the Sleeping Zelda is the Zelda from OOT. in AOL, Hyrule seems to be split into two countries, one called West Hyrule, so I guess she'd take over one of the Hyrules. Also, in AOL, the Triforce of Courage was needed to complete the Triforce so they could wish on it! The only other time the Triforce seems to be complete was in LTTP, and Sleeping Zelda was a secret of the Sheika Clan, and they are nowhere to be seen, so LTTP Link wasn't aware and couldn't awaken her.


Now, with that straightened out...I'll ask again what I asked earlier.... Depending on where you place TWW on the timeline...you can run anywhere with that. What do you think now?

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 12:09 PM

It still doesn't matter, because in TWW the Triforce split almost as quickly as it joined, and the wish had nothing to do with Sleeping Zelda. thusly your point is moot

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 03:09 PM

It works quite nicely in my timeline theory...

I place LttP first, then LoZ, then AoL.
The Aol backstory comes after LttP and before LoZ.
Thus, the king in the AoL backstory has the whole triforce, as Link won it in LttP. The Zelda from the AoL backstory is named after the LttP one, and from then on it's the law that all princesses are named Zelda.

It might even be that Link in LttP marries that Zelda, and is the king in the AoL backstory, who writes the note... Then the AoL backstory Zelda is named after her mother. But that could be a little farfetched.

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 12:19 PM

Pretty nice theory, but then wouldn't LOZ/AOL Link be hailed as a prince or something? and what about all the Zeldas that came before LTTP?

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 03:27 PM

I don't place any of them before aLttP.

The LoZ/AoL Link isn't necessarily related to the aLttP one... And even if he were, due to the time that's passed between them anything could have happened.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 11:14 AM

It works quite nicely in my timeline theory...

I place LttP first, then LoZ, then AoL.
The Aol backstory comes after LttP and before LoZ.
Thus, the king in the AoL backstory has the whole triforce, as Link won it in LttP. The Zelda from the AoL backstory is named after the LttP one, and from then on it's the law that all princesses are named Zelda.

It might even be that Link in LttP marries that Zelda, and is the king in the AoL backstory, who writes the note... Then the AoL backstory Zelda is named after her mother. But that could be a little farfetched.


I don't know about LTTP being first and all, but I do know one thing! If we go by a singletimeline theory (I hate saying that), then the AoL backstory could not have happened before the Great Flood in the TWW backstory--that's if you place the flood before LoZ/AoL. That's because Ancient Hyrule was flooded after the barrier broke at the end of TWW. That sleeping princess would've drowned in her chamber with the rest of Hyrule. If you place the flood after thesleeping princess story/LoZ/AoL--then...it's more plausible.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 02:26 PM

Plus Hyrule was destroyed, so no other Hyrule based games can occur after TWW, without a clumsy finding a new Hyrule insert.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 04:38 PM

I don't know about LTTP being first and all, but I do know one thing!  If we go by a singletimeline theory (I hate saying that), then the AoL backstory could not have happened before the Great Flood in the TWW backstory--that's if you place the flood before LoZ/AoL.  That's because Ancient Hyrule was flooded after the barrier broke at the end of TWW. That sleeping princess would've drowned in her chamber with the rest of Hyrule.  If you place the flood after thesleeping princess story/LoZ/AoL--then...it's more plausible.


Hyrule was flooded, right? But the rest of the world never was mentioned in WW. It's perfectly believable that North Hyrule wasn't flooded, and, thus, the Princess would never die with Hyrule, because she wasn't in Hyrule.


Plus Hyrule was destroyed, so no other Hyrule based games can occur after TWW, without a clumsy finding a new Hyrule insert.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 05:53 PM

Hyrule was flooded, right? But the rest of the world never was mentioned in WW. It's perfectly believable that North Hyrule wasn't flooded, and, thus, the Princess would never die with Hyrule, because she wasn't in Hyrule.



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Hyrule is also the name of the world they live in.

If the islands do reconnect, what makes you think ancient Hryule will be apart of the equation. It stay right where it is...and the new land won't have anything to do with it.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 01:21 PM

Hyrule is also the name of the world they live in.

Good point. But, in WW, they only talk about the Kingdom of Hyrule. They're clearly not talking about the whole world. To assume that any part of the world outside of the Kingdom of Hyrule was flooded is purely speculation. Also, why would the goddesses flood the entire world just because of Hyrule?

IMO, it makes more sense that only Hyrule was flooded.

If the islands do reconnect, what makes you think ancient Hryule will be apart of the equation. It stay right where it is...and the new land won't have anything to do with it.

:s: The second quote wasn't yours. I was just replying to Showsni comment about how no game could happen in Hyrule, after WW, without adding filler about finding a new Hyrule.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 01:35 PM

Good point. But, in WW, they only talk about the Kingdom of Hyrule. They're clearly not talking about the whole world. To assume that any part of the world outside of the Kingdom of Hyrule was flooded is purely speculation. Also, why would the goddesses flood the entire world just because of Hyrule?

IMO, it makes more sense that only Hyrule was flooded.


Perhaps they wanted to make sure that Ganon had nothing to return to in case he survived. You notice how Ganon wasn't obsessed with taking over the world of tiny islands, but rather Hyrule as a whole.

Also, if go to the edges of the map in TWW and look over the horizon you don't see the outskirts of a Northern Hyrule. If you look at a map in a Zelda game that has a Northern Hyrule, you'll see that it's only seperated from Southern Hyrule by a small strip of water, like a strait or river. That would make it close enough to see the next island in the horizon. Yeah you can say just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there...and it could be farther off...but that's not the case...nothern Hryule is too close to southern Hyrule to not be seen in the horizon...adding to the possibility that the whole world of Hyrule was flooded and not just the kingdom.

:s: The second quote wasn't yours. I was just replying to Showsni comment about how no game could happen in Hyrule, after WW, without adding filler about finding a new Hyrule.


I understand that, but I just wanted to add my two cent to that particular aspect.

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 08:25 AM

ever occur to you that since Northern Hyrule isn't really relevant in WW, that they didn't care and decided not to put it there?

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 09:11 AM

Has anyone gotten the GBA version of AoL? It has come out in the US hasn't it? ('cause it's certainlly not out here in Australia - we only just got the first lot of the Classics series)

I was just wondering because I'm interested in knowing what the story is that they give in the new manual book - is it just a straight repeat of the original or have there been any changes made to it?

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 09:20 AM

If the entire world was flooded then why would they bother setting on a voyage for new land? And why are Link and the Pirates sailing North?

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 11:46 AM

Uhmmmm, how about because the port of the island is facing north. We only see them leaving port...nothing more after that. Just because the whole world was flooded wouldn't mean that there still wouldn't be other masses of land still around, just like little islands are stil around, but less common.

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In the FSA world map you see islands behind hyrule(if those are islands or just and extension of the land), but you don't play on those islands nor are they significant to the game. People tend to take those into account so why can't we take into account about the view of the horizon off the Great Sea.

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 12:25 AM

Uhmmmm, how about because the port of the island is facing north. We only see them leaving port...nothing more after that. Just because the whole world was flooded wouldn't mean that there still wouldn't be other masses of land still around, just like little islands are stil around, but less common.


Doesn't mean anything. They could've sailed south if they wanted. But to be honest, them sailing north doesn't either. I'm just pointing out speculation which aren't all that wild I might add...

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In the FSA world map you see islands behind hyrule(if those are islands or just and extension of the land), but you don't play on those islands nor are they significant to the game. People tend to take those into account so why can't we take into account about the view of the horizon off the Great Sea.


Heh, very cute...

I don't see why anyone would take those "islands" into account though it looks more like the land just fading out into nothingness to me really... I don't see the point your trying to make. We see nothing beyond the Great Sea because that's all the events in the game are concerned with. There's the trick in OoT to get beyond the fence behind the Windmill in Kakriko Village which takes you to a cliff that shows you there's nothing more out there but ending sky and a big black polygon below. Does that mean Hyrule was floating in the sky!? :blink:

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 11:40 AM

and you can hookshot to the windmill and find a cucco, but it serves absoulety no known purpose

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 02:02 PM

Basically much of this that I proposed was to debunk the idea that the Sleeping Princess was placed in a castle in Northern Hyrule, thus allowing her to survive the flood. If she was was placed in Northern Hyrule I still feel that it was also flooded as well and she couldn't of survived that as well. That's why I feel that the Sleeping Princess story had to happen after the TWW. It just wouldn't sound right if a kingdom was flooded thousands of feet under water, the waters recede (or whatever), then a new kingdom is established and the sleeping princess story continues in the royal family...that's ridiculous.

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I know I am going to get called "crazy" for this, but I believe that the sleeping princess, is Zelda from LoZ. Now let's just see if there is anything in the instruction booklet that disproves my theory.

At the end of a fierce fight, Link overthrew Ganon, and took back the Triforce (the Triforce of Power that is) and rescued Princess Zelda. However, is it all really finished? Many seasons have passed since then.

So far so good. It mentions the Zelda from LoZ and how Link destroyed Ganon, and rescued the princess of Hyrule. Though where do the contradictions come in at. Well let us take a further look and see where the problems begin to arise. It explains that Link had a strange mark on the back of his hand that resembled the crest of the kingdom, and Link went to Zelda's nursemaid Impa to see what this crest meant.

There was a door in the North Castle called "the door that does not open" Only the descendants of the Impa family (or the Shiekah family it would seem) who served the king knew how to open the door. Impa took Link's left hand and pressed the back of it against the door. There was a sound of a lock falling open, the door slowly creaked open and there on an alter in the middle of the room lay a beautiful woman. "Here lies Princess Zelda." Impa began to speak calmly.

So here it seems that there was a door that only Impa's family knew how to open, though this doesn't necessarily mean that this princess had always been lying there, it just means, that the Impa family was the only ones that were given the knowledge on how to open the door. So if a spell was cast on Zelda, the best place to put her would be a place where no one could harm her, a place where only Impa and the King knew how to open the door. This would keep her from harms way, and preserve her until the spell could be broken. But things get more complicated as we continue to go further, so let us now take a look at what some of the rest of the story tells us.

"Link, the time has come when I must tell you the legend of Zelda handed down in Hyrule. It is said that a long ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, the king too was a child of a man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited everything, but he could only inherit the Triforce only in part." Then, a magcian close to the king brought him some unexpected news. Before he died, the king had said something about the Triforce to only the younger sister of the prince, Princess Zelda. The prince immediately questioned the princess, but she wouldn't tell him anything. After the prince, the magician threatened to put the princess into an eternal sleep if she did not talk, but even still she said nothing."

Well here it looks as if this had been a long time ago, but that doesn't exactly have to be so either. When someone states something was a long time ago, it could have been a year for some, maybe ten years, it just depends on the person intepreting the story, or to the person who is telling the story. However there is nothing to dispute that this couldn't be the king that lived during the "Age of Chaos" in the LoZ story, and even though a king wasn't mentioned, that does not mean he did not exist. When this king was ruler, he ruled Hyrule as a whole, but when he died, the land was split and was ruled by the two heirs, which would be Zelda and the prince. This is why I think it states when the king ruled Hyrule as a whole. Still let's go further into the story and see if anything else stands in my way for my theory.

In his anger, the magician tried to cast a magic spell on the princess. The surprised prince tried to stop him, but the magician fought off the prince and went on chanting the spell. Then, when the spell was finally cast, Princess Zelda fell on that spot and entered a sleep from which she might never awake. At the same time, the magician also fell and breathed his last." In his grief the prince placed the princess in this room. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered that every female child born into the royal household shall be given the name Zelda.

Okay now things are starting to look a bit worse for my theory. So that Zelda would never be forgotten every female child would be named Zelda as well. Man, that would be lots and lots of Zeldas, and I am beginning to understand where everyone is coming from with the whole "maybe this was the first Zelda" fiasco. Still is this enough to put me to rest, and disprove that this Zelda is infact not the same Zelda as the one that is in the LoZ. Of course it isn't because why else would I be posting this in my defense. So let's look further shall we.

Later Impa goes on about for generations her family has handed down some scrolls which had been set aside for when a great king would come. It was even written in an ancient tounge that was unreadable for the Hyruleans at this time. So once again things look awfully doubtful for me to even suggest that Princess Zelda from the LoZ is the same as the one from AoL. But I am now about to shed some light on this situation. Let us now take a look at what the scroll said.

"You who'll control the Triforce of the future, I shall hand down to you the secrets of the Triforce. There are three kinds of Triforce--Power, Wisdom, and Courage. When these three are brought together, the Triforce will show its maximum power. Of the three, I have left Power and Wisdom in the kingdom. But the Triforce of Courage I have hidden for a reason.

Now wait just a minute. What was it that the King in this scroll say, he hid the Triforce of Courage. Since when in all of the known history of Hyrule has the Triforce of Courage been hidden. Sure it was scattered into eight fragments in the Wind Waker, but it wasn't hidden purposely like it was in the backstory of the AoL. The King also stated that he left Power and Wisdom in the Kingdom, and in the backstory of the LoZ, Ganon stole the Triforce of Power from the Kingdom, and Zelda broke the Triforce of Wisdom into eight fragments so that the Evil One would not gain the other piece. So things are now starting to look a bit in my direction now, but is this really enough proof, perhaps not, but it is a theory, and I am not done just yet either. What else did the scrolls say?

Not everybody can use the Triforce. It requires a strong character with no evil thoughts. But an inborn special quality is also necessary. Unfortuantely, I have not found such a person during my lifetime."

Therefore, I have decided to cast a spell on all of Hyrule. A crest will appear on a young man with that character who has been brought up correctly, has gained many kinds of experiences and reached a certain age. But, what will happen if someone else uses the Triforce before then? If it misused, it will produce many evils."

The King casted a spell so that a crest would appear on a young man who was pure of heart, and would have qualities as such that would be in high regards of the King. Though many will say that every Link has this crest. Well that is true, but only when the are holding the Triforce of Courage does this crest appear on them, this Link however had the crest appear on him without having the Triforce. Kinda makes it look like now that this King lived during the time that Link of the AoL was born in. Infact before you go the Island Palace you can find the King's Tomb. But just to make absolute certain that this King was during Link's time or closely within it, lets take just one more look and see what we find.

"The Triforce of Courage is hidden in the Great Palace in the Valley of Death on the largest island in Hyrule. However, to enter there you must first fight the guardians and undo the "binding force". When you have defeated the guardians, which I made to prevent enemies from invading the six palaces in Hyrule, set a crystal in the forehead of the statue you find. When you have set crystals in all of the statues in the six palaces the "binding force" placed on the Valley of Death will be removed and you will be able to enter the great palace. There you must fight the last guardian. And you can obtain the Triforce only be defeating that guardian.

So we find out that this King had setup the guardians that Link fights in each one of palaces, and that he had hidden the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace. Now where in all of the Zelda series in the Triforce of Courage ever hidden. No where but the AoL. Look at the games for example.

LoZ: The Triforce of Power and Wisdom make an appearance, but it does seem apparent why the Triforce of Courage is not here.

AoL: This is the game we are talking about, lol.

LttP: The complete Triforce is in the Dark World.

LA: The Triforce does not even make an appearance.

OoT: The Triforce of Power is held by Ganondorf, the Triforce of Wisdom is held by Zelda, and the Triforce of Courage is held by Link.

MM: The Triforce is not in this game.

OoS/OoA: The complete Triforce is shown in Hyrule castle at the beginning sequence of the game.

FS: No Triforce here.

TWW: The Triforce of Power was held by Ganondorf, the Triforce of Wisdom is held by Zelda, and the Triforce of Courage is held by Link after he reunites the fragments from the bottom of the Great Sea. Ganondorf knocks Link and already has Zelda out, and unites the Triforce. The King of Hyrule comes in before Ganondorf can make his wish, and the Triforce goes up above them and splits, but still no indications of the Triforce of Courage being hidden.

FSA: No Triforce here.

The Minish Cap: From what I have heard, no Triforce here either.

So by looking at all of this it seems that the only logical place for the AoL backstory to go would be after the LoZ, including the sleeping Princess Zelda. Also after you awaken Princess Zelda in the AoL, Zelda says "Thank You Link". If this was a different Zelda than the one from the LoZ how would she recognize that this person was Link. He has brown hair, unlike many of the former blonde headed Links as well. So that also makes me think that the LoZ Zelda and the AoL Zelda are still the same Zelda.

So go ahead and call me crazy, but I still see nothing that can disprove my theory.

#30 TSA

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 02:05 AM

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