On a seriouis note though, not a bad point.
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Oh Gannon-Banned.
On a seriouis note though, not a bad point.
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Honestly, he wrote that whole thing and that's all you noticed?
Personally I think that whole thing makes sense Darksied. It also makes Timelines a lot easier. The absence of another Princess Zelda in the AoL is also quite suspect, as such an important character in LoZ it wouldn't make sense to disclude her from the sequel. I'll still have to look into it myself, but your explanation does clear up a lot.
Personally I think that whole thing makes sense Darksied. It also makes Timelines a lot easier. The absence of another Princess Zelda in the AoL is also quite suspect, as such an important character in LoZ it wouldn't make sense to disclude her from the sequel. I'll still have to look into it myself, but your explanation does clear up a lot.
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What is Gannon-Banned? Anyways the thing is if people put the backstory of AoL first, then the Triforce of Courage can't be in any story until the events of the AoL happen, because the King in the scrolls hid it. Well it never really said it was the King, but certain things hinted at it, such as him placing a spell over the Kingdom for someone of a good uprising nature to have a crest on thier hand. So that also helps me out with my theory as well.
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The Minish Cap: From what I have heard, no Triforce here either.
No, just strange triangular emblems made of gold, that give the power of the gods, indivually referred to as "light forces". Of course, how could anyone mistake that for the Triforce?
Also, what map does the HA map resemble most?
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Also, what map does the HA map resemble most?
I don't know who that was directed towards but I'll answer anyway. Besides the fact that it looks like an island to me, it also most resembles the Hyrule of ALttP. I really am grasping at straws trying to figure out why you brought that up though...probably just haven't been paying enough attention to the conversation beforehand.
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Well I haven't played the Minish Cap yet Zythe, so I don't know, but I have heard sides from both sides. Some say it is, some say it isn't, but regardless if it is or not, I don't think it is going to detract my theory any, and that is what this thread is about the "Sleeping Zelda".
As for the map on Hyrulean Adventure, well to me I have always thought that it most resembles the A link to the Past map, but I like BlackHawkA100 am wondering as to why this is being brought up, unless I missed something.
As for the map on Hyrulean Adventure, well to me I have always thought that it most resembles the A link to the Past map, but I like BlackHawkA100 am wondering as to why this is being brought up, unless I missed something.
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(From AoL manual)
"Link, the time has come when I must tell you the legend of Zelda handed down in Hyrule. It is said that a long time ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, he too was a child of man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited everything, but he could inherit the Triforce only in part.
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You seem to have avoided this part in your explanation as of to why the Sleeping Princess story takes place after LoZ. It would appear that story took place long before LoZ. It clearly states "when Hyrule was one country" and also "a long time ago". I could've sworn I mentioned this in my first post to this thread (if you've been following). Hyrule was not "one country" or at peace during the time of LoZ, and it certainly wasn't afterwards considering the intro to AoL about Ganon's followers running rampant Also why would this be a secret from Link until his 16th birthday, after he had just saved this princess before just recently? Yes, "recently" not much time has passed between LoZ and AoL. You're not crazy...you just overlooked a very critical point.
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You seem to have avoided this part in your explanation as of to why the Sleeping Princess story takes place after LoZ. It would appear that story took place long before LoZ. It clearly states "when Hyrule was one country" and also "a long time ago". I could've sworn I mentioned this in my first post to this thread (if you've been following). Hyrule was not "one country" or at peace during the time of LoZ, and it certainly wasn't afterwards considering the intro to AoL about Ganon's followers running rampant Also why would this be a secret from Link until his 16th birthday, after he had just saved this princess before just recently? Yes, "recently" not much time has passed between LoZ and AoL. You're not crazy...you just overlooked a very critical point.
Hyrule was also clearly one country as well in the LoZ. Nothing in the manual states that it wasn't. Let's take a brief look at what the manual of the LoZ said.
A long, long time ago the World as in an age of Chaos. In this midst of this chaos, in a little kingdom in the land of Hyrule, a legend was being handed down from generation to generation, the legend of the "Triforce"; golden triangles possessing mystical powers. One day, an evil army attacked this peaceful little kingdom and stole the Triforce of Power. This army was led by Ganon, the powerful Prince of Darkness who sought to plunge the World into fear and darkness under his rule. Fearing his wicked rule, Zelda, the princess of this kingdom, split up the Triforce of Wisdom into eight fragments and hid them throughout the realm to save the last remaining Triforce from the clutches of the evil Ganon.
There it mentions the kingdom of Hyrule, and it says nothing about the kingdom being split, as in what happens in the Adventure of Link. Also Link was in shock to see this marking on his hand, he did not know what it was, the manual states that, and it clearly says that Link had just defeated Ganon, but many seasons have passed since then.
As for the "a long time ago" words, well people can say that happened a long time ago, and it could mean several different things. Last time I went to Kings Island that was a long time ago, for me that is what I would say, even though it has only been about five years ago. So it just has to go by who is telling the story, and what they meant. I think the it was meant the way I have just now explained it, and I did state that that it could be possible to hurt my theory, but it doesn't have to because we are not explained how long ago it was. Had it said many generations ago, or centuries ago, then I would agree with you, my theory would be wrong, but that is not what it says, it just says a long time ago.
I truly don't think that I have overlooked anything, and anyone placing the backstory of the AoL somewhere else in the timeline besides being after the LoZ, is going to run into some problems about the Triforce of Courage supposing to be locked away in the Great Palace.
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As you can see, these events directly follow Ganon's death at the end of LoZ. The state of Hyrule doesn't seem peaceful to me here at the start of AoL. Ganon's minions were trying to revive him after he had been killed by Link back in LoZ. Keep in mind...they have to sacrifice Link...cuz he was the "valiant lad" that killed Ganon...so this is another indicator that this is a direct follow up to LoZ with little time inbetween LoZ/AoL.Hyrule was on the road to ruin. The power that the vile heart of Ganon had left behind was causing chaos and disorder in Hyrule. What's more, even after the fall of Ganon, some of his underlings remained, waiting for Ganon's return.
The key to Ganon's return was the blood of Link - the valiant lad who overthrew the King of Evil. Ganon would be revived by sacrificing Link and sprinkling his blood on the ashes of Ganon.
It wouldn't seem likely that the Sleeping Princess story occured in this short time period, cuz Link should of known about the incident before hand considering he saved this same princess just awhile back. Keep in mind, he stayed behind to help rebuild the kingdom. It seems ridiculous that all that happened and he knew nothing of it after saving the life of the princess not too long ago, while remaining in the kingdom.
"Oh yeah Link, remember our princess you saved awhile back? Well, she's in a deep sleep now, but I couldn't tell you about it until I noticed the mark on your hand"--that's crazy.
Also, going back to the Sleeping Princess excerpt, the backstory of the princess happened during a time of "peace":
It wasn't "peaceful" during the time of LoZ and it certainly wasn't after LoZ according to the beiginning of AoL. The Sleeping Princess story happened long before LoZ, partner.Link, the time has come when I must tell you the legend of Zelda handed down in Hyrule. It is said that a long time ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce.
How about placing LoZ/AoL earlier in the timeline (not the very beginning), before any quest involving assembling the ToC. Or...have all the events involving the ToC (other than AoL) happen before LoZ and the sleeping princess occuring quite sometime before LoZ.I truly don't think that I have overlooked anything, and anyone placing the backstory of the AoL somewhere else in the timeline besides being after the LoZ, is going to run into some problems about the Triforce of Courage supposing to be locked away in the Great Palace.
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Hyrule was only on a road to ruin after many seasons had done passed. There are four months in each season, and we know it was more than two seasons because that would just be couple, it could be three seasons as the would just be a few, four would be the minimum I would go, but that is still one year's time. So no the events after the LoZ didn't just spring right up into the AoL story, it took many seasons before this ever happened, not something that happened as soon as Ganon died. Now yes, AoL is a follow up sequel to the LoZ, but as I have stated already a bunch of times, it took many seasons for this to even happen.
Now considering that there were many seasons that had passed, it can very logical that Link had no idea that Zelda's brother the Prince had unfortunatly caused a magician to cast a spell of eternal sleep on her. Link doesn't live in the palace with Zelda, but he did take residence in the kingdom, but that is still no indication that he had any knowledge of the sibling rivalry between Zelda and her brother. Also where does it ever say that Link was helping rebuild the kingdom, in either manual? It doesn't unless I have somehow missed this, which I don't think I have. As far as the "you know the Princess you saved awhile back and she is under an eternal sleep spell, but I couldn't tell you until I noticed your birthmark deal", well like I said earlier, many seasons had passed, and Impa placed her in a place where she knew she would be safe, and the only way to open that door would be for the one with the birthmark. It was a safety procedure in my book, but that is just in theory, as I can't reallly prove that one.
Now moving right along. You said that the King maintained peace during this time, well peace did reign for all of the seasons between LoZ to the events of the AoL. Though this King could have also lived before the events of the LoZ, and died before the Age of Chaos. Still though this does not mean that the Prince and Zelda had thier quarrel right after the King died, there is nothing in the manual to prove or disprove that this could have happened either way.
And partner you cannot prove to me that the events of the sleeping Zelda skit happened way before the LoZ. Though with the last excerpts of the AoL manual it does indicate that the Triforce of Courage had been hidden in the Great Palace, and no other Zelda legend so far has ever had just the Triforce of Wisdom and the Triforce of Power in story besides the LoZ. Also before you come back and tell me that the AoL happened right after the LoZ without any passing time whatsoever, just remember these words in the manual:
At the end of a fierce fight, Link overthrew Ganon, took back the Triforce and rescued Princess Zelda. However, is it all really finished? MANY SEASONS HAVE PASSED SINCE THEN.
Now considering that there were many seasons that had passed, it can very logical that Link had no idea that Zelda's brother the Prince had unfortunatly caused a magician to cast a spell of eternal sleep on her. Link doesn't live in the palace with Zelda, but he did take residence in the kingdom, but that is still no indication that he had any knowledge of the sibling rivalry between Zelda and her brother. Also where does it ever say that Link was helping rebuild the kingdom, in either manual? It doesn't unless I have somehow missed this, which I don't think I have. As far as the "you know the Princess you saved awhile back and she is under an eternal sleep spell, but I couldn't tell you until I noticed your birthmark deal", well like I said earlier, many seasons had passed, and Impa placed her in a place where she knew she would be safe, and the only way to open that door would be for the one with the birthmark. It was a safety procedure in my book, but that is just in theory, as I can't reallly prove that one.
Now moving right along. You said that the King maintained peace during this time, well peace did reign for all of the seasons between LoZ to the events of the AoL. Though this King could have also lived before the events of the LoZ, and died before the Age of Chaos. Still though this does not mean that the Prince and Zelda had thier quarrel right after the King died, there is nothing in the manual to prove or disprove that this could have happened either way.
And partner you cannot prove to me that the events of the sleeping Zelda skit happened way before the LoZ. Though with the last excerpts of the AoL manual it does indicate that the Triforce of Courage had been hidden in the Great Palace, and no other Zelda legend so far has ever had just the Triforce of Wisdom and the Triforce of Power in story besides the LoZ. Also before you come back and tell me that the AoL happened right after the LoZ without any passing time whatsoever, just remember these words in the manual:
At the end of a fierce fight, Link overthrew Ganon, took back the Triforce and rescued Princess Zelda. However, is it all really finished? MANY SEASONS HAVE PASSED SINCE THEN.
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THE INSTRUCTION BOOKLET STORY
This is the manual intro in its entirety. I bold typed the part about Link remaining behind and lending a hand. Don't tell me u missed that.
I am not saying no time at all passed between the two...I said a "short period" of time. Ganon's underlings didn't start attacking at the start of AoL. They were continuing the bad fight even after Ganon's demise in hopes that he will eventually return. So Hyrule was still under attack during that "short time" period. I'm certain Link would visit Zelda during this period while he lent a hand to help rebuild the kingdom. I don't see how they would keep this away from Link after he saved her when no one else could...now all of a sudden you can't trust him with the fact that the princess was put to sleep? That's ridiculous...the tone of the princess backstory seems rather "ancient", shawty.
Oh, yeah...you seem to have selective reading or something, but seasons are no where near the same amount of time as seasons...get a load of this (it's also mentioned above but I included here in case your selective reading kicks in again):
"For generations, my family has been handed down these things which have been set aside for a time when a great king will come. They are written in an ancient script that no-one can read now. But you who have the crest may be able to read it. It is said that the key to uniting the Triforce is hidded there. Now it is time for you to read it."
Hyrule was on the road to ruin. The power that the vile heart of Ganon had left behind was causing chaos and disorder in Hyrule. What's more, even after the fall of Ganon, some of his underlings remained, waiting for Ganon's return.
The key to Ganon's return was the blood of Link - the valiant lad who overthrew the King of Evil. Ganon would be revived by sacrificing Link and sprinkling his blood on the ashes of Ganon.
Meanwhile, Link remained in the little kingdom of Hyrule and lent his hand to its restoration. But circumstances did not look very good.
One day, a strange mark, exactly like the crest of the kingdom, appeared on the back of Link's hand as he approached his 16th birthday. The worried Link, went to Impa, Princess Zelda's nursemaid who was shocked and frightened when she saw the birthmark. When she regained her composure, she took Link to the North Castle.
There was a door in the North Castle called "the door that does not open." Only the descendants of the Impa family who served the king knew how to open the door. Impa took Link's left hand and pressed the back of it against the door. There was a sound of a lock falling open, the door slowly creaked open and there on an alter in the middle of the room lay a beautiful woman.
"Here lies Princess Zelda." Impa began to speak calmly.
"Link, the time has come when I must tell you the legend of Zelda handed down in Hyrule. It is said that a long time ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, he too was a child of man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited everything, but he could inherit the Triforce only in part.
"The Prince searched everywhere for the missing parts, but could not find them.
"Then, a magaician close to the king brought him some unexpected news. Before he died, the king had said something about the Triforce to only the younger sister of the prince, Princess Zelda. The prince immediately questioned the princess, but she wouldn't tell him anything. After the prince, the magician threatened to put the princess into an eternal sleep if she did not talk, but even still, she said nothing.
"In his anger, the magician tried to cast a magic spell on the princess. The surprised prince tried to stop him, but the magaician fought off the prince and went on chanting the spell. Then, when the spell was finally cast, Princess Zelda fell on the spot and entered a sleep from which she might never awake. At the same time, the magician also fell down and breathed his last.
"In his grief, the prince placed the princess in this room. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered that every female child born into the royal household shall be given the name Zelda."
From the stand next to the alter where Princess Zelda lay in a deep sleep, Impa took six crystals and a scroll with the same crest and handed them to Link.
"For generations, my family has been handed down these things which have been set aside for a time when a great king will come. They are written in an ancient script that no-one can read now. But you who have the crest may be able to read it. It is said that the key to uniting the Triforce is hidded there. Now it is time for you to read it."
Link glanced at the scroll half in doubt, but what do you know? Although he had never seen the letters before, he found that he could read them as if they were talking to him.
This was written on the scroll.
"You who'll control the Triforce of the future. I shall hand down to you the secrets of the Triforce. There are three kinds of Triforce - Power, Wisdom, and Courage. When these three are brought together, the Triforce will show its maximum power. Of the three, I have left Power and Wisdom in the kingdom. but the Triforce Courage I have hidden for a reason.
"Not everybody can use the Triforce. It requires a strong character with no evil thoughts. But an inborn special quality is also necessary. Unfortunately, I have not found such a person during my lifetime.
"Therefore, I have decided to cast a spell on all of Hyrule. A crest will appear on a young man with that character who has been brought up correctly, has gained many kinds of experiences and reached a certain age. But, what will happen if someone else uses the Triforce before then? If it is misused, it will produce many evils.
"The Triforce of Courage is hidden in the Great Palace in the Valley of Death on the largest island in Hyrule. However, to enter there you must first fight the guardians and undo the "binding force." When you have defeated the guardains, which I made to prevent enemies from invading the six palaces in Hyrule, set a crystal in the forehead of the statue you find. When you have set crystals in all of the statues in the six palaces, the "binding force" placed on the Valley of Death will be removed and you will be able to enter the great palace. There, you must fight the last guardain. And you can obtain the Triforce only by defeating that guardian.
There's nothing to fear. You are the one to get the Triforce. You are the beacon of hope for Hyrule."
Impa implored Link, who raised his head slowly after reading the scroll.
"The magic spell cast upon Princess Zelda will sure to be broken if the Triforce is used.
"Please, Link. Unite the Triforce and save the princess. And bring back peace to Hyrule."
Link nodded silently in approval, and left the room after taking a long glance at the altar.
Then, with a magical sword in his left hand and a magical shield in his right, he set off alone on his long travels. At that time, Ganon's underlings were calling up new allies from the Underworld, and were beginning to work devilishly towards the revival of Ganon
This is the manual intro in its entirety. I bold typed the part about Link remaining behind and lending a hand. Don't tell me u missed that.
I am not saying no time at all passed between the two...I said a "short period" of time. Ganon's underlings didn't start attacking at the start of AoL. They were continuing the bad fight even after Ganon's demise in hopes that he will eventually return. So Hyrule was still under attack during that "short time" period. I'm certain Link would visit Zelda during this period while he lent a hand to help rebuild the kingdom. I don't see how they would keep this away from Link after he saved her when no one else could...now all of a sudden you can't trust him with the fact that the princess was put to sleep? That's ridiculous...the tone of the princess backstory seems rather "ancient", shawty.
Oh, yeah...you seem to have selective reading or something, but seasons are no where near the same amount of time as seasons...get a load of this (it's also mentioned above but I included here in case your selective reading kicks in again):
"For generations, my family has been handed down these things which have been set aside for a time when a great king will come. They are written in an ancient script that no-one can read now. But you who have the crest may be able to read it. It is said that the key to uniting the Triforce is hidded there. Now it is time for you to read it."
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Okay, so the Sleeping Princess isn't the chick from LoZ. So what happened to her after the other Princess was reawakened? My guess she's still ruling the small patch of Hyrule from LoZ while the Sleeping Princess took over the throne of North Hyrule.
Is it possible for LoZ and AoL to come before OoT, or at least TWW?
Is it possible for LoZ and AoL to come before OoT, or at least TWW?
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At first I thought that this was the Gameboy Advance version story of the AoL, because I had not remembered that Link lent his hand into the restoration of the kingdom, but infact it is in the old "NES" manual as well. So you are right I did miss it. It still does mention though that there were many seasons between the original Legend of Zelda series and the Adventure of Link story, and the seasons part that I mentioned had nothing to do with the generations part that you are now mentioning.
Though I did see the generations part, but before I get into that I would first like to comment on the part about Impa. You said that the backstory about the Princess seemed rather ancient, but I tried to refute this idea by saying that Impa's family may have knew how to open the door, but that didn't mean that the princess had necessarily been always lying there. Of course that would just be a theory, and I have no proof to back it up, it was my suggestion on the matter. Since the door was a place that could only be opened by certain means, then it would be a perfect place to set Zelda in if there was a spell casted on her.
Honestly the part which Impa goes on about the generations of her family handing down some scrolls that had been written in an ancient tounge is actually the worst thing going for my theory, and I did mention that in my first post. It does set it off a bit, but still the person who wrote the scroll had still place a spell over the kingdom, so that a crest would appear on a boy who was raised right. You can also find the King's grave that I would assume is the one mentioned in the manual at the gravesite near the Island Palace, though one could argue that the tombstone could be ancient as well. Still though the biggest problem I have with this whole scenario is that this person who wrote the scrolls hid the Triforce of Courage at the Great Palace. Even if this is perhaps another Zelda, the story still has to be closely linked to the story of the Legend of Zelda, no matter if it was many years ago. The reason I state this is because in no other time in Zelda history do we know the Triforce of Courage being no where near the Triforce of Wisdom and Power besides the LoZ. On one last note, could you or perhaps someone also explain as to how Zelda was able to recognize Link after he had awakened her from her eternal slumber, not only that but most people speculate that she kissed him behind the curtain. Now why would a royal princess, ancient or not kiss some total stranger? Just because he is her saviour. Well that could be it, but she could have offered riches or granted him to be a knight, and many other things, but she didn't have to necessarily kiss or hug or whatever she did to him behind the curtain.
Also Tri-Enforcer, sorry for getting a bit tense on you before, but I kinda got offended by the partner bit, and that is why I began to sound a bit more harshly than I most usually do.
Though I did see the generations part, but before I get into that I would first like to comment on the part about Impa. You said that the backstory about the Princess seemed rather ancient, but I tried to refute this idea by saying that Impa's family may have knew how to open the door, but that didn't mean that the princess had necessarily been always lying there. Of course that would just be a theory, and I have no proof to back it up, it was my suggestion on the matter. Since the door was a place that could only be opened by certain means, then it would be a perfect place to set Zelda in if there was a spell casted on her.
Honestly the part which Impa goes on about the generations of her family handing down some scrolls that had been written in an ancient tounge is actually the worst thing going for my theory, and I did mention that in my first post. It does set it off a bit, but still the person who wrote the scroll had still place a spell over the kingdom, so that a crest would appear on a boy who was raised right. You can also find the King's grave that I would assume is the one mentioned in the manual at the gravesite near the Island Palace, though one could argue that the tombstone could be ancient as well. Still though the biggest problem I have with this whole scenario is that this person who wrote the scrolls hid the Triforce of Courage at the Great Palace. Even if this is perhaps another Zelda, the story still has to be closely linked to the story of the Legend of Zelda, no matter if it was many years ago. The reason I state this is because in no other time in Zelda history do we know the Triforce of Courage being no where near the Triforce of Wisdom and Power besides the LoZ. On one last note, could you or perhaps someone also explain as to how Zelda was able to recognize Link after he had awakened her from her eternal slumber, not only that but most people speculate that she kissed him behind the curtain. Now why would a royal princess, ancient or not kiss some total stranger? Just because he is her saviour. Well that could be it, but she could have offered riches or granted him to be a knight, and many other things, but she didn't have to necessarily kiss or hug or whatever she did to him behind the curtain.
Also Tri-Enforcer, sorry for getting a bit tense on you before, but I kinda got offended by the partner bit, and that is why I began to sound a bit more harshly than I most usually do.
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I keep looking back to LOZ and AOL all the time, im starting to question their placements as being the last games.
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Oh yeah, and before I forget...
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What is Gannon-Banned? Anyways the thing is if people put the backstory of AoL first, then the Triforce of Courage can't be in any story until the events of the AoL happen, because the King in the scrolls hid it. Well it never really said it was the King, but certain things hinted at it, such as him placing a spell over the Kingdom for someone of a good uprising nature to have a crest on thier hand. So that also helps me out with my theory as well.
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I wouldn't see anything wrong with the idea of Sleeping Princess ruling Northern Hyrule and the other Zelda for LoZ ruling Southern Hyrule. Then again I wouldn't mind seeing the Sleeping Princess act as an advisor or something and just be Link's lover--after all the Princess from LoZ gave him no play!
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Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL might have all happened after TWW OR Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL could of all happened before TWW.
You asked why does Princess Zelda seem to know Link when he saves her at the end of AoL. Here's my answer: bad story writing. Think about it, at the end LoZ (keep in mind Link and Zelda didn't know each other then), Zelda says "Thanks Link, you are the hero of Hyrule."--what the heck!? How does she know his name? Bad story writing, like I said before. Keep in mind we're talking about a game from the eighties with a horrible shallow story.
Or....you could clean it up by saying that Zelda was able to use her telepathic powers. I mean, she had them in other games like LTTP. Maybe that's why Zelda knew Link's name in LoZ and also the same for the Sleeping Princess at the end of AoL. (I'm so good)
I wouldn't see anything wrong with the idea of Sleeping Princess ruling Northern Hyrule and the other Zelda for LoZ ruling Southern Hyrule. Then again I wouldn't mind seeing the Sleeping Princess act as an advisor or something and just be Link's lover--after all the Princess from LoZ gave him no play!
@ Darkseid
Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL might have all happened after TWW OR Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL could of all happened before TWW.
You asked why does Princess Zelda seem to know Link when he saves her at the end of AoL. Here's my answer: bad story writing. Think about it, at the end LoZ (keep in mind Link and Zelda didn't know each other then), Zelda says "Thanks Link, you are the hero of Hyrule."--what the heck!? How does she know his name? Bad story writing, like I said before. Keep in mind we're talking about a game from the eighties with a horrible shallow story.
Or....you could clean it up by saying that Zelda was able to use her telepathic powers. I mean, she had them in other games like LTTP. Maybe that's why Zelda knew Link's name in LoZ and also the same for the Sleeping Princess at the end of AoL. (I'm so good)
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Posted 16 December 2004 - 03:38 PM
Tri-Enforcer: Yes, and the killer's blood theory does also hold water when you think that Oracles follow TWW, because Zelda helped to kill Ganon and she was set to be sacrificed.
Darkseid: My HA map thingy ... had to do with the sailing to the north thing in the thread, which got me thinking. Why am I always making "..."s in my sentences? Sorry, that was irrelevant.
Darkseid: My HA map thingy ... had to do with the sailing to the north thing in the thread, which got me thinking. Why am I always making "..."s in my sentences? Sorry, that was irrelevant.
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Posted 16 December 2004 - 07:25 PM
So, is the GBA version of AoL out and if so, has anyone gotten it? I'm interested in hearing how the backstory is written up in it...
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Posted 16 December 2004 - 09:41 PM
I don't find any problem with the Sleeping Zelda being a princess from between TWW and LoZ considering that ALttP goes last, plus there are evidences to prove this order correct.
We would just have to speculate that the Royal Family found the Triforce after it Split in TWW, plus Northern Hyrule could be "the new Hyrule".
Thoughts, just thoughts.
We would just have to speculate that the Royal Family found the Triforce after it Split in TWW, plus Northern Hyrule could be "the new Hyrule".
Thoughts, just thoughts.
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@Mario Jr.
I wouldn't see anything wrong with the idea of Sleeping Princess ruling Northern Hyrule and the other Zelda for LoZ ruling Southern Hyrule. Then again I wouldn't mind seeing the Sleeping Princess act as an advisor or something and just be Link's lover--after all the Princess from LoZ gave him no play!
@ Darkseid
Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL might have all happened after TWW OR Sleeping Princess/LoZ/AoL could of all happened before TWW.
You asked why does Princess Zelda seem to know Link when he saves her at the end of AoL. Here's my answer: bad story writing. Think about it, at the end LoZ (keep in mind Link and Zelda didn't know each other then), Zelda says "Thanks Link, you are the hero of Hyrule."--what the heck!? How does she know his name? Bad story writing, like I said before. Keep in mind we're talking about a game from the eighties with a horrible shallow story.
Or....you could clean it up by saying that Zelda was able to use her telepathic powers. I mean, she had them in other games like LTTP. Maybe that's why Zelda knew Link's name in LoZ and also the same for the Sleeping Princess at the end of AoL. (I'm so good)
You are right about the bad writing deal with the endings for the LoZ and AoL, but like you said it was the 80's:lmao:.
Just thought I would add this to cornelius. The GBA version of AoL is already out.
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 01:43 AM
Thanks - I thought it was out in the US (I'm not expecting it anytime soon here in Australia) 
No one has a copy of it, though, to check the story in the manual book?
No one has a copy of it, though, to check the story in the manual book?
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 11:22 AM
I don't find any problem with the Sleeping Zelda being a princess from between TWW and LoZ considering that ALttP goes last, plus there are evidences to prove this order correct.
We would just have to speculate that the Royal Family found the Triforce after it Split in TWW, plus Northern Hyrule could be "the new Hyrule".
Thoughts, just thoughts.
Care to share ome of this evidence, just want to see if we match up....
@Zythe
I'm with you on the whole blood thing...that could be possible.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 06:50 AM
Well the complete Triforce is seen in Hyrule Castle in the Oracles Series, so it would make more sense to being before the time of where the King had complete control over the Triforce, because we have no proof as to where the Triforce went after the Wind Waker.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 06:04 PM
Tri-Enforcerer:
I place the Oracle games and LA between AoL and AlttP, I find it convenient. The Master Sword appears in the Oracle games, so I don't think it needs further explanation.
Thoughts, just thoughts.
I place the Oracle games and LA between AoL and AlttP, I find it convenient. The Master Sword appears in the Oracle games, so I don't think it needs further explanation.
Thoughts, just thoughts.
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Tri-Enforcerer:
I place the Oracle games and LA between AoL and AlttP, I find it convenient. The Master Sword appears in the Oracle games, so I don't think it needs further explanation.
Thoughts, just thoughts.
The Master Sword in Oracles is just an Easter Egg; it's just an extra treat or a meaningless side quest. It's not significant to the game. Also, LA comes after LTTP, it's a direct sequel to it.
Facts, just facts.
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Posted 23 December 2004 - 02:14 AM
i have it and its the very same from the original instruction booklet...Thanks - I thought it was out in the US (I'm not expecting it anytime soon here in Australia)
anyway that Darkseid guy has a valid point and it makes me think...
i still however put the first two games at the end of the timeline...
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I'd like to just point out that Link has both the Triforce of Wisdom and Triforce of Power at the end of LOZ.
Also as for a flood, if someone can't open the door with bombs or anything (it's magic), I don't think a meager flood will do anything amazingly damaging. Only Impa can open it, remember? Same thing goes for the Temple of Time, I mean come on, if Ganon could unleash a crazy fire breathing dragon, wouldn't he do it on the Temple of Time to get inside? Both structures are obviously flood proof. Them Hylian Masons and their secrects, hoohoo.
Also as for a flood, if someone can't open the door with bombs or anything (it's magic), I don't think a meager flood will do anything amazingly damaging. Only Impa can open it, remember? Same thing goes for the Temple of Time, I mean come on, if Ganon could unleash a crazy fire breathing dragon, wouldn't he do it on the Temple of Time to get inside? Both structures are obviously flood proof. Them Hylian Masons and their secrects, hoohoo.
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Posted 23 December 2004 - 07:10 AM
Maharet: Thanks for that, I was interested to know whether or not they had made any changes to it - I loved the AoL backstory, and it's good to see they haven't changed it (I was sort of expecting/dreading a revision of it)
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Posted 23 December 2004 - 02:45 PM
I'd like to just point out that Link has both the Triforce of Wisdom and Triforce of Power at the end of LOZ.
Also as for a flood, if someone can't open the door with bombs or anything (it's magic), I don't think a meager flood will do anything amazingly damaging. Only Impa can open it, remember? Same thing goes for the Temple of Time, I mean come on, if Ganon could unleash a crazy fire breathing dragon, wouldn't he do it on the Temple of Time to get inside? Both structures are obviously flood proof. Them Hylian Masons and their secrects, hoohoo.
If that were the case then the Temple of Time would still be around--apparenlty it wasn't so magically indestructible as we think.
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Posted 23 December 2004 - 08:31 PM
It STILL appears, by the way, how can you say that LA is a direct secuel to ALttP as an absolute truth? Actually, it fits better after the Oracle games.The Master Sword in Oracles is just an Easter Egg; it's just an extra treat or a meaningless side quest. It's not significant to the game. Also, LA comes after LTTP, it's a direct sequel to it.
Facts, just facts.
