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[Fyxe]

By having sex with another version of yourself?

[MikePetersSucks]

It's supposed to be messed up. Don't think about it. Thanks Fyxe. Mo just got pwnt

[Octorok]

Oh man, I missed the whole argument, due to a computer breakdown!

[Fatgoron]

That's screwed up. How could you be your dad AND your mom?

1. You get born a hermaphrodite, orphaned and alone in the world.
2. You grow up as a guy, and one day you rape some woman.
3. After a tragic accident you are taken to hospital, where they reassign you to a female gender.
4. Something happens to send you back in time a number of years.
5. Weakened by the accident and female hormones you are unable to fend off an attacker who rapes you.
6. Something happens to cause you to travel further back in time, where you give birth to a hermaphrodite child, you die as a result of your injuries from the accident causing complications during labour.
7. Return to number one.

There's no clear beggining or end, but there's no problem with causality within this cycle.

[MikePetersSucks]

yea, that's a timeloop I didn't need to go indepth with, Fatgoron

[FDL]

By having sex with another version of yourself?

Yeah, but hermaphrodite's, although they have everything, can only use one set.

 1. You get born a hermaphrodite, orphaned and alone in the world.
2. You grow up as a guy, and one day you rape some woman.
3. After a tragic accident you are taken to hospital, where they reassign you to a female gender.
4. Something happens to send you back in time a number of years.
5. Weakened by the accident and female hormones you are unable to fend off an attacker who rapes you.
6. Something happens to cause you to travel further back in time, where you give birth to a hermaphrodite child, you die as a result of your injuries from the accident causing complications during labour.
7. Return to number one.

There's no clear beggining or end, but there's no problem with causality within this cycle.

Ah, it involves surgery. Makes sense, I guess.

[Fatgoron]

Yeah, but hermaphrodite's, although they have everything, can only use one set.

Yeah, there's no such thing as a human hermaphrodite, since that entails being capable of both types of reproduction, but we're assuming that the subject is one for the sake of the example.

yea, that's a timeloop I didn't need to go indepth with, Fatgoron

You know, I'm surprised I've never come across (no pun intended) anything similar on the various erotic literature sites I've browsed. Although there was that one episode of the outer limits...

[mohammedali]

Woah, this thread has gone WAY off topic since I last posted. Back to the topic at hand, Zelda and the hermaphrodite... I mean, timeline...

I had to skim over the previous posts, but Fyxe, I think I understand what you're saying, and although I don't agree that this form of timetravel makes any sence at all, it's been too long since I last played OoT for me to find any counter-examples and I don't have the time at the moment to look into it. However, there are still some problems even if this theory *did* work because of the fact that it creates 2 Links. The main one is that it would mean there are 2 ToC pieces now, which makes no sence whatsoever. Also, I still don't buy the idea that Princess Zelda returns to the castle for months as an answer to the ending. It makes the whole running away thing look stupid.

Mohammed Ali

[Fyxe]

Actually, two ToC pieces isn't a real problem. One of them has merely been taken back in time, and the other will cease to exist in the timeline when it also gets taken back in time (and until then, it's in limbo anyway so it'a unimportant). Same with two Links. These aren't actual *problems*, they're just effects of time travel.

The running away thing wasn't that stupid. Lets assume Hyrule Castle was attacked by Ganondorf and a small army of Stalfos (as in the manga, for instance). Zelda and Impa flee with Ganondorf on their heels. But later they learn Ganondorf has entered the Sacred Realm along with Link. With this knowledge, they return to Hyrule Castle quietly and try to plan a strategy. It is at this point that Link returns, and he tells Zelda of what he has been through. Zelda recognises his heroic abilities and in the meantime, Hyrule Castle is preparing for the imminent threat. An eerie silence decends for months and things seem strangely peaceful, and it at this point that Link decides to leave. Any preparations they make are futile however, and Impa and Zelda know this, so they do the whole Shiek thing and Impa helps as many people as possible flee to Kakariko when Ganon attacks Hyrule Castle.

Yes, there's fanfic in there. But this is just an example of how things *could* of transpired. It doesn't mute the whole running away thing if they return, in fact it would seem somewhat odd if they just sat in hiding (presumably in Kakariko) even when Ganondorf has seemingly vanished from Hyrule.

Anyway, ignoring that for a second, after finishing TWW I am loath to admit it seems highly unlikely for any games to occur after the finale of that. Meaning ALttP is still *possible* with OoT as a backstory and TWW in the middle but it seems so unlikely, with the implication being Ganondorf is already dead, the seal of the sages has been broken, and most importantly, Hyrule has been washed away. This does not make me believe in a split timeline (due to Majora's Mask-based issues, for one thing), but it does make me consider the possiblity of a 'gaiden' timeline.

I'm certainly never going to get rid of OoT being the backstory of ALttP though. That just actually boosts my belief in a gaiden timeline, because in a way OoT is a 'gaiden' version of the Imprisoning War. An alternate telling of events, or rather a retelling.

[mohammedali]

Actually, two ToC pieces isn't a real problem.  One of them has merely been taken back in time, and the other will cease to exist in the timeline when it also gets taken back in time (and until then, it's in limbo anyway so it'a unimportant).  Same with two Links.  These aren't actual *problems*, they're just effects of time travel.

OK, now you've lost me again. How does the other ToC disappear all of a sudden?

The running away thing wasn't that stupid.  Lets assume Hyrule Castle was attacked by Ganondorf and a small army of Stalfos (as in the manga, for instance).  Zelda and Impa flee with Ganondorf on their heels.  But later they learn Ganondorf has entered the Sacred Realm along with Link.  With this knowledge, they return to Hyrule Castle quietly and try to plan a strategy.  It is at this point that Link returns, and he tells Zelda of what he has been through.  Zelda recognises his heroic abilities and in the meantime, Hyrule Castle is preparing for the imminent threat.  An eerie silence decends for months and things seem strangely peaceful, and it at this point that Link decides to leave.  Any preparations they make are futile however, and Impa and Zelda know this, so they do the whole Shiek thing and Impa helps as many people as possible flee to Kakariko when Ganon attacks Hyrule Castle.

I think it still sounds a bit too redundant, but as debating it won't lead to anything conclusive, it doesn't really matter. I still think the ending strongly implies either Ganon is sealed and hence Zelda is back for months, or that the timetravel went to a time before the SR was opened and Zelda never left. However, I can see there are explinations like yours above that could be argued to work, even if I don't think they seem likely.

Anyway, ignoring that for a second, after finishing TWW I am loath to admit it seems highly unlikely for any games to occur after the finale of that.  Meaning ALttP is still *possible* with OoT as a backstory and TWW in the middle but it seems so unlikely, with the implication being Ganondorf is already dead, the seal of the sages has been broken, and most importantly, Hyrule has been washed away.  This does not make me believe in a split timeline (due to Majora's Mask-based issues, for one thing), but it does make me consider the possiblity of a 'gaiden' timeline.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees WW between OoT and aLttP as a bit of a stretch. Not sure which MM issues you're talking about though. The only thing I can think of that people have said is the Tingle issue, and that's not concrete proof.

I'm certainly never going to get rid of OoT being the backstory of ALttP though.  That just actually boosts my belief in a gaiden timeline, because in a way OoT is a 'gaiden' version of the Imprisoning War.  An alternate telling of events, or rather a retelling.

It's an idea, and I've seen a lot of people do it. The most common is to have 3 versions. 1. OoT aLttP LoZ AoL. 2. OoT WW. 3. Capcom games. However, I believe it's very possible to have all the games working together. Only time will tell.

Mohammed Ali

[Fyxe]

OK, now you've lost me again. How does the other ToC disappear all of a sudden?

Because it goes back in time. If you sent something back in time and it's not coming back, then it's gone.

It's an idea, and I've seen a lot of people do it. The most common is to have 3 versions. 1. OoT aLttP LoZ AoL. 2. OoT WW. 3. Capcom games. However, I believe it's very possible to have all the games working together. Only time will tell.

I hate it when people dismiss the Capcom games to their own seperate timeline. For one thing, FSA is not a Capcom game but is clearly a sequel to Minish Cap and Four Swords.

Also, the Oracle games rely on the existence of Ganon, the Dark World and the Triforce, things which we would not know about if it wasn't for other games in the series like ALttP and OoT. The whole story is all about Ganon's revival, suggesting it occurs after his death in ALttP. Which is why I always put it a few hundred years or so after ALttP/LA.