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[D~N]

well, this got me thinking, perhaps this could eliminate split timelines. Remember the statue in hyrule castle in the wind waker? it is a statue of child link. Now, that would mean either
a) the wind waker is part of the child timeline, or
B) split timelines can not happen.

anyone think the same, because i'm really not sure....thank you!

[SOAP]

How is that statue Child Link? It's clearly a young adult.

Anyways, I think it's still possible for it to take place in the child timeline. The statue of adult Link could have been made from memory. Zelda is psychic after all, right? She could have dictated how the statue should hvae looked. This could explain how LInk is memoralized as an adult but remembered as a child in the legends. The Royal Family knew of his deeds in the future but have only seen him as a child.

Edit: I thought about it and it may still be possible tWW happened in the child timeline but the timeline still splits.

Original Timeline: OoT(child)-OoT(adult)--ALttP-AST-LA--OoX--LoZ-AoL
Alternate Timeline: OoT(child)-MM--TP--TMC--FS-FSA--TWW-TT

With that, the adult future remains as the Imprisoning War without TWW causing a big gap and in the new timeline you see [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of Links who look the same. This would be the new timeline the creators are working on. In other words, a Gaiden Timeline that originally branches from OoT. The FS games are timeline counterparts to ALttP which can explain the similarities and the interaction between their worlds even though they obviously don't have the same Link.

[MikePetersSucks]

Anyways, I think it's still possible for it to take place in the child timeline. The statue of adult Link could have been made from memory. Zelda is psychic after all, right? She could have dictated how the statue should hvae looked. This could explain how LInk is memoralized as an adult but remembered as a child in the legends. The Royal Family knew of his deeds in the future but have only seen him as a child.

It's also possible that the people of Hyrule just depicted him as an adult because they're...I dunno youthist. It probably didn't matter if Zelda was there. Mideival style history is wellknown for twisting little facts. The same thing happened to Joan of Arc. OOOooo A theory! I can rip it up now >_>

Original Timeline: OoT(child)-OoT(adult)--ALttP-AST-LA--OoX--LoZ-AoL
Alternate Timeline: OoT(child)-MM--TP--TMC--FS-FSA--TWW-TT

I'm guessing TT is supposed to be Tetra's Tracker's? Kay. This is actually like....good. >_> Except all this split timeline bullshit was created because of TWW and all the problems it caused, so if you can solve TWW, then you can solve all the other problems in a normal timeline. Oh, and TWW has to come before TMC and FS-FSA atleast. and I guess you could otherwise leave TMC where it's at, but I'd put it before OOT.

[SOAP]

Except all this split timeline bullshit was created because of TWW and all the problems it caused, so if you can solve TWW, then you can solve all the other problems in a normal timeline.

Except I've already done that, been there, got the T-shirt.

Oh, and TWW has to come before TMC and FS-FSA atleast.

And why is that?

[Zythe]

Oh, and TWW has to come before TMC and FS-FSA atleast.

But... your sig shows the opposite...

[D~N]

thanks for your oppinions guys! it looks like a child to me, btw. but why does ww have to be pre-TMC? (and your sig does show the opposite.) if at least MC has to be after MM, but we all think differentely, (i'm starting not to again), but whatever.

[Hana-Nezumi]

It's not a problem if you believe in the time loop.

[Hero of Slime]

I don't see how you can tell the age of Link by looking at his statue.

[Zythe]

Exactly. Statues are art. They can look like wtfever the artist wants it to. And it could even be of TP Link.

[garsh]

If the statue were meant to depict a child, it would look a lot more like Wind Waker Link.

[SOAP]

His limbs and torso are pretty long compared with his head. He is clearly a teenager. Also, Child Link could never hold the Hylian Sheild like that. It was too big and heavy for him. He looks like adult Link to me, just sans the gauntlets. It could be that the artist was using child Link as a model and sculpting what he or she thought he'd look as an adult.

[Doopliss]

Yup, I also think he's an adult.

The problem I find with the Wind Waker being in the childhood timeline is that the sages appear in TWW.

[SOAP]

Yup, I also think he's an adult.

The problem I find with the Wind Waker being in the childhood timeline is that the sages appear in TWW.

Hell the whole problem I have with split timelines altogether is that what's stopping the other times Link goes goes back from creating alternate realities as well? Even if those realities don't matter because Ganon would eventually consume everything and those timeline would cease to exist anyways, every one of those realities would have to start from square one, meaning everything Link does in the future the first time around never ghappened the second time around and he'd have to start all over again each and every time he traveled forward after making revisions in the past. However, this is fortunately not the case. We know there's only one distinct future that you travel back to. You can make changes in the past but it doesn't create a whole new reality as everything you did in the future so far still happened. So why would the final time you go into the past be any different?

[Fyxe]

Exactly.

I agree with that completely. That's the main problem with split timelines, it leads to the question... What's the point? What about all those OTHER timelines you'd be creating all the time? What's the point of saving ONE future if all the others are doomed to Ganon's rule?

And also, I've said this a thousand times now I should put it in my sig... The way time works in OoT means everything that Link does when he goes back in time has already happened when he first wakes up in the future.

If anyone has seen the *whole* Terminator series, it's like that.

[SOAP]

I think I heard the wind blow...

[Doopliss]

That's a very interesting point, I hadn't thought about it before.

The only way to explain why everything is different when Link gets sent by Zelda at the end of Ocarina of Time to "live his life" (viewing it as a split timeline theory) is that the time travel with the Ocarina of Time works differently, which I don't believe.

[Fyxe]

I think I heard the wind blow...

Look, I've done what you asked and left you alone, so if you hate me so much because of some stuff I said then why don't you leave me alone too?

Or you could stop acting childish and be civil. Please.

[SOAP]

That's a very interesting point, I hadn't thought about it before.

The only way to explain why everything is different when Link gets sent by Zelda at the end of Ocarina of Time to "live his life" (viewing it as a split timeline theory) is that the time travel with the Ocarina of Time works differently, which I don't believe.

Me neither. I don't have anything against split timelines though. They're still fun. But there's other explantions that do a better job with just one timeline.

[Crazy Penguin]

The statue is adult Link from Ocarina of Time - notice that it is holding the Master Sword and Hylian Shield.

And also, I've said this a thousand times now I should put it in my sig... The way time works in OoT means everything that Link does when he goes back in time has already happened when he first wakes up in the future.

Not the case with the Silver Gauntlets. If everything had already happened then he should've awakened as an adult thinking "Where the heck did these silver gauntlets come from?", instead we see that he does not have any silver gauntlets until he returns to his childhood and makes sure that he gets them.

[Fatgoron]

Presumably Link doesn't have the gauntlets the first time, since he's the one time travelling, and as such must be seen to be experiencing the changes.
Similar to Blood Omen, when Kain travels back in time and kills the young King William The Just, in order to prevent him from becoming the Nemesis 50 years later. We don't see the changes made to the world during those 50 years, but when Kain arrives back in his time we are made aware of half a centuries' worth of fanatical vampire purges.

[Crazy Penguin]

Presumably Link doesn't have the gauntlets the first time, since he's the one time travelling, and as such must be seen to be experiencing the changes.
Similar to Blood Omen, when Kain travels back in time and kills the young King William The Just, in order to prevent him from becoming the Nemesis 50 years later. We don't see the changes made to the world during those 50 years, but when Kain arrives back in his time we are made aware of half a centuries' worth of fanatical vampire purges.

Exactly. When Link returns to his childhood and attains the Silver Gauntlet he is rewriting history.

However when adult Link meets the windmill man we find out that child Link had made the windmill go crazy with the Song of Storms, which he actually learned as adult Link. Not only is this a classic time paradox, but it also subscribes to the idea of every instance of time travel having already happened in one linear and unchanged path that cannot be re-written.

It's all contradictory nonsense and not much thought was put into it, so I don't bother worrying about it.

[Doopliss]

Not the case with the Silver Gauntlets. If everything had already happened then he should've awakened as an adult thinking "Where the heck did these silver gauntlets come from?", instead we see that he does not have any silver gauntlets until he returns to his childhood and makes sure that he gets them.

The only way i see this to be possible is that Link remembered that he had gotten the Silver Gauntlets, or that objects can travel through the Sacred Realm, which convinces me more. Of course that new and crazy ways can occur to anyone .

[Hero of Slime]

Zelda is just very inconsistent with time travel. Its the same with OoA. Some things say that Link can change history but other things say that he can't.

[SOAP]

Maybe some things just can't change. It's like when you try to defragment your harddrive. Some files can't be moved.

[Doopliss]

That's because the programmers are evil.

(Spam).

[Fyxe]

Not the case with the Silver Gauntlets. If everything had already happened then he should've awakened as an adult thinking "Where the heck did these silver gauntlets come from?", instead we see that he does not have any silver gauntlets until he returns to his childhood and makes sure that he gets them.

No no no no.

Nobody understands time travel.

He wouldn't have the Silver Guantlets when he first awakens, but they would be gone from the Spirit Temple. He WOULD have the Silver Guantlets when he returns from the past after getting them, because he takes them with him, and it's only after that that he travels to the future with them.

It's a fairly simple concept.

[Doopliss]

No no no no.

Nobody understands time travel.

He wouldn't have the Silver Guantlets when he first awakens, but they would be gone from the Spirit Temple. He WOULD have the Silver Guantlets when he returns from the past after getting them, because he takes them with him, and it's only after that that he travels to the future with them.

It's a fairly simple concept.

Do you believe the items to travel by means of the Sacred Realm?

[MikePetersSucks]

[quote]Oh, and TWW has to come before TMC and FS-FSA atleast.[/quote]I meant after >.O[/quote]Nobody understands time travel.[QUOTE]

Really? NObody? Well then >_> Hi Fyxe.

[Fatgoron]

I don't think anyone in their right mind will argue against time travel being inconsistent in Zelda.

[D~N]

well, then if it is an adult, then perhaps it elimintates the ww child timelines. Wait, no it doesnt <_<. i hate how i don't see the obvious things you guys do....meh.