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#1 Marty

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 05:31 PM

I've only managed to draw the picture so far but hopefully some more explanation will come when I get the time. Just to clarify my order if it ain't obvious from the picture:

OoT (IW?) - MM - WW - (IW?) - ALttP - AoL backstory - LoZ - AoL - Oracles - LA

These are the only games I've included since they are the only ones I've played. There is only one IW, I've just shown it to be possible in two places.

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 05:46 PM

Yikes! Care to explain how OoT's ending works into a single timeline? I believe so, personally, but it's hard to tell your interpretation from your picture.

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 05:54 PM

I had originally intended to write it up in full and I still do but I wanted to get things started in this forum again. I'm pretty tired so I'll do my best to cover the basics of OoT ending.

Link is sent back to his childhood and puts the final seal on the sacred realm to lock Ganon in. Since he has already betrayed the royal family and attacked the castle Link is appraised as a hero. Zelda, with her gift of prophecy knows about Links adventures and passes the story down her family until it becomes legend and praises him as the Hero of Time. Link himself travels on searching for Navi and ends up in Termina (when he crosses dimensions the triforce of courage leaves him).

The future of OoT doesn't disappear but it no longer affects the timeline. Although Ganon was sealed in the future, he was also sealed in the sacred realm so he is still there in the past.

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 05:59 PM

that's pretty much what i believe. zelda's clairvoyance or maybe link's memory allows them to have knowledge of the future, but otherwise it stops affecting the story ^_^

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:48 PM

It's very good, including the theory about Ocarina of Time's ending. The only mistake I found is that the Master Sword is used on Oracle of Seasons, so I'm afraid the Oracle games cannot occur after ALttP. What do you think about time travel on the Oracle games?

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 07:44 AM

Neon Z= perfectz(which was supposed to be Perfect Z, but I never bothered to register again... ;) )

Link is sent back to his childhood and puts the final seal on the sacred realm to lock Ganon in. Since he has already betrayed the royal family and attacked the castle Link is appraised as a hero. Zelda, with her gift of prophecy knows about Links adventures and passes the story down her family until it becomes legend and praises him as the Hero of Time. Link himself travels on searching for Navi and ends up in Termina (when he crosses dimensions the triforce of courage leaves him).


Eh? :huh: That's almost exactly like my multi timeline theory, though much better worded. The only big difference is that I believe Link, in the past, just left the triforce in Hyrule, as I don't need to set up WW after OOT's past, and the Triforce was broken, in the future, when Link went to the past, to set up the stage for WW.

The only mistake I found is that the Master Sword is used on Oracle of Seasons, so I'm afraid the Oracle games cannot occur after ALttP. What do you think about time travel on the Oracle games?

"XXX will never be used again" sentences exist just to be contradicted(if the franchise isn't dead), it's not such a big inconsistence. At the time, it was thought that it would never be used again, though it might be proven wrong.

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:31 PM

I agree with Neon Z, its a minor contradiction to canon. It seems with any theory that there are minor things (and occasionally majors too) so I reckon we should have a driving test for theories. You are allowed a few minors but any majors and you have to try again.

As for time travel in the oracles I never really gave it much thought. I always assumed it to be cause and affect type stuff. Not sure why you're asking that question Bulmaro.

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:34 PM

although it says the master sword will sleep forever in ALttP how do we know it truly did?:badger: I love these new smileys!

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:36 PM

marty, your diagram confuses me :huh:

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:37 PM

even though I believe in a single timeline :D

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:38 PM

what's IW?

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:42 PM

Which part of the diagram confuses you? I'm more than happy to explain. Just to help a little, the circles are the lands where the adventures take place and the text inside the circles show which adventures happened in them in descending order (including backstories in the manuals and intros).

EDIT: IW stands for Imprisoning War from A Link to the past manual.

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 01:11 PM

So are you saying that the Loz/Aol Link is the same one in Oot?

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 04:59 PM

Yes. Basically Link gets caught in a timeloop in MM. When he returns from Termina a large period of time has passed in Hyrule and its now the events in LoZ. If you aren't happy with that then you could just say that Link doesn't return from Termina and its a new Link in LoZ. I just prefer that he does return as that means there are only 3 Links thus far.

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 05:43 PM

I think there's something funky there, but meh.

I always thought that Link returned, not at the point after Zelda's capture, which you suggest by saying "after Ganon betrayed the Royal Family," but it is a replay of the scene where he first meets Zelda. The Sages, with their time lapse memory passed down majigger, remember Link's would-be future, but Zelda may or may not. The flashback in MM suggests that she might not.

He returns, she gasps, shows him Ganon, he tells her of the future, they foil Ganon when he attempts to take the Triforce, locking him in the Evil Realm with all his minions, and Link is known as a child peacemaker, thus being referred to as a young hero in MM.

In WW, many many years have passed, and it becomes difficult to gather the truth of the legend. After all, the Sages, maybe even Zelda, have told the would-be adult Link story as fiction, and it warps with the true story of the child, making it sound as if a child (really an adult) slayed a pig-beast (really a man most of the time) long ago (which in a way never really happened.)

After all, in WW, it doesn't really say if a lot of people believe in that stuffy old legend. Link's descendant (yeah, maybe he isn't, I like to think he is) doesn't seem to care much...

I have Zelda on the brain. :P




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