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[Chaltab]

I have heard that there is something called the Legend of the Fairy in Tower where you get the bow in TWW... And since I've allready been through it twice and have no desireto play through the first half of the game again, I was wondering what exactly it is?

[Hero of Slime]

The Legend of the Fairy is a story about Tingle. However, I have only found two parts of it.

[Zythe]

The story is, basically, Tingle helped Link to save the world by giving him maps and is awesome and great and as a result, there's an island where when men turn 40 they dress up as Tingle like little boys dress up as Link in Outset.

[Chaltab]

*Facevaults and falls flat on back in one frame at the same time*

[Crazy Penguin]

It is said that long ago, a boy garbed in green known as the Hero of Time saved
this land. However, on a certain island, there is also the story of the fairy
who saved that hero...

It is said that the Hero of Time met the fairy in the midst of his travels.
The fairy appeared before the Hero, who had found himself lost in darkness.
With a mystic power, it would float in midair, dancing above his head like a
burst balloon.

After the fairy handed the lost Hero a map, it flew off as quickly as it had
appeared. Better able to foresee places of danger than the Hero, the fairy
marked them on a map. The Legend goes on to say the quest of the Hero of Time
was saved by this plump figure...

Fairies live for thousands of years... but this odd fairy was a bit different.
This mystical fairy was born near a lake, and when he met the Hero, he was but
35. Beyond that, there is little known about that fairy...

The little-known Legend of the Fairy's 35th Birthday
On one island they celebrate one's 35th birthday with a green coat and red
pants. They do this in the hopes of becoming like the legendary fairy, Tingle.

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[Vazor]

Wow. That's just...wow.

[Chaltab]

Notice that I'm a new member.

[Vazor]

I actually never paid attention to the Legend of the Fairy stuff in WW...I kinda just ignored everything he said and continued my quest...I really wish I hadn't now...

[MikePetersSucks]

*inserts evil laughter and anti Light/Triforce propaganda...and....pie and stuff....gneh....*

[Octorok]

Do you think that the Legend of the Fairy has timeline signifigance?

[Vazor]

It only serves to prove that OoT, MM, and WW all fall into a single timeline.

[Chaltab]

That was obvious from the moment the game started.

[Vazor]

Yeah, well there are somem split-timeliners who argue against that to no end...

[mohammedali]

I don't think this necesseraly disproves MM and WW are in different timelines. Not only could it just be an easter egg used to explain how Tingle came back after MM, but remember MM is in another universe altogether. There is every possibility that it is completely removed from time in Hyrule altogether.
MM isn't just another part of the same globe as Hyrule, and it isn't another planet either. It is seperate in every way, so a split in the timeline may not effect it at all. Hence, this statement cannot be treated as proof for a single timeline.

Mohammed Ali

[Fatgoron]

That's one hell of an easter egg if ever I saw one, plus that would make the rito-MM postman resemblance, and the allusion to them being related in the figurine descriptions easter eggs too.
When there's that much circumstantial evidence for it, I'd say it's more likely than not.
The only thing going against it is the "Termina is a kind of parallel world"(possibly paraphrased) quote from the MM box, which is far from definitive proof in the opposite direction.

What is it with timeliners nowadays calling everything easter eggs?
If we did that to everything that ever posed a threat to our timelines, then we'd have nothing left to back them up.

[Crazy Penguin]

I don't think this necesseraly disproves MM and WW are in different timelines. Not only could it just be an easter egg used to explain how Tingle came back after MM, but remember MM is in another universe altogether. There is every possibility that it is completely removed from time in Hyrule altogether.  
MM isn't just another part of the same globe as Hyrule, and it isn't another planet either. It is seperate in every way, so a split in the timeline may not effect it at all. Hence, this statement cannot be treated as proof for a single timeline.

Mohammed Ali

That's quite a bit of fanfiction there and not even slightly implied in the game. The simplest explanation is usually the best.

[mohammedali]

That's quite a bit of fanfiction there and not even slightly implied in the game. The simplest explanation is usually the best.

It would also be fanfic to say that MM takes place in a universe that is definately linked to the time structure of Hyrule as it's not even slightly implied in the game. The fact remains that we simply don't know how Termina and Hyrule are linked other than they are completely different universes. If a timesplit occured during OoT it may have effected Termina as well, but maybe not, we don't know at all. Hence, such a quote is left as redundant.

That's one hell of an easter egg if ever I saw one, plus that would make the rito-MM postman resemblance, and the allusion to them being related in the figurine descriptions easter eggs too.
When there's that much circumstantial evidence for it, I'd say it's more likely than not.
The only thing going against it is the "Termina is a kind of parallel world"(possibly paraphrased) quote from the MM box, which is far from definitive proof in the opposite direction.

What is it with timeliners nowadays calling everything easter eggs?
If we did that to everything that ever posed a threat to our timelines, then we'd have nothing left to back them up.

lol. I agree with the easter egg thing you said, which is why I gave another explination as to why this is not solid proof at all. However, note that the postman and other connections happen because of game creators and not so much a link in the storyline. I don't think anyone here believes that the Rito postman is a desendant of both a Zora from Hyrule and a human from another dimention. Also note that he comes in TMC as well, so if you do want to relate them together, now you can.
Fact is that Nintendo reuse ideas in games all the time. Try explaining how LA happens without any easter eggs and that will tell you how much Zelda games overflow with them.

Mohammed Ali

[Chaltab]

Nintendo fans always get the best easter eggs. Remember the Alexa Roivas photo shott and Mario Bobble in Twin Snakes?

And Zelda games have all kinds of cameos and eggs of Easter. So I pretty much agree that most of the cameos like Malon and Talon in TMC were just Easter eggs and not meant to affect the timeline.

[mohammedali]

And Zelda games have all kinds of cameos and eggs of Easter. So I pretty much agree that most of the cameos like Malon and Talon in TMC were just Easter eggs and not meant to affect the timeline.

Although I made a point about the Easter eggs being common in Zelda, I disagree with Malon and Talon being Easter eggs as well. To me they serve to show TMC came after OoT and before WW. When I disregarded the Fairy quote, it wasn't on the basis of it being an Easter Egg either, but because it had no stable reference point (different universes and all).

Mohammed Ali

[Crazy Penguin]

It would also be fanfic to say that MM takes place in a universe that is definately linked to the time structure of Hyrule as it's not even slightly implied in the game. The fact remains that we simply don't know how Termina and Hyrule are linked other than they are completely different universes. If a timesplit occured during OoT it may have effected Termina as well, but maybe not, we don't know at all. Hence, such a quote is left as redundant.

If one game references a previous game's plot then the implication is simply that that the game takes place after the referenced game. Once again the simplest answer is usually the correct one. If they wanted us to think that Termina was a dimension that connected two alternate timelines created at the end of Ocarina of Time then they would have told us so.

lol. I agree with the easter egg thing you said, which is why I gave another explination as to why this is not solid proof at all. However, note that the postman and other connections happen because of game creators and not so much a link in the storyline. I don't think anyone here believes that the Rito postman is a desendant of both a Zora from Hyrule and a human from another dimention. Also note that he comes in TMC as well, so if you do want to relate them together, now you can.  
Fact is that Nintendo reuse ideas in games all the time. Try explaining how LA happens without any easter eggs and that will tell you how much Zelda games overflow with them.

The Legend of the Fairy referenced the PLOT of Majora's Mask and connected it to The Wind Waker. If you're going to write that off then you may as well write off all of the references to Ocarina of Time being "just Easter eggs" and "reused ideas".

[Archaic Sage]

I didn't know about this. I'll be damned. I should really play Wind Waker again, I've only completed it once, and I sailed through it ignoring Tingle and any reference to him. lol

[SOAP]

[Crazy Penguin]

That would work if we're ever told that Majora's Mask and Wind Waker take place in different timelines, but we haven't been told that and so the simplest explanation is correct, simplest explanation being that both OoT and MM "happened" before WW without any timeline split.

[Octorok]

CP's right. We shouldn't make something simple into something complex.

[SOAP]

Exactly. I believe that too. I just threw that in there as way to "prove" MM can be a separate timeline but also still be referred to in TWW on the other timeline.

[Octorok]

If the Legend of the Fairy was written by Tingle before he knew of the Great Flood, how do you explain the references it makes to the Great Flood?

[mohammedali]

If one game references a previous game's plot then the implication is simply that that the game takes place after the referenced game. Once again the simplest answer is usually the correct one. If they wanted us to think that Termina was a dimension that connected two alternate timelines created at the end of Ocarina of Time then they would have told us so.

That would usually be the case if it were in the same universe. Fact is it's not so the statement isn't proof. You have to assume LOADS about space and time to make your explination work. The same could be said about mine, though I think it is the most simple as it assumes both universes are unrelated in any way.

The Legend of the Fairy referenced the PLOT of Majora's Mask and connected it to The Wind Waker. If you're going to write that off then you may as well write off all of the references to Ocarina of Time being "just Easter eggs" and "reused ideas".

I'm going to answer this by quoting myself as it seems you aren't reading my posts.

When I disregarded the Fairy quote, it wasn't on the basis of it being an Easter Egg either, but because it had no stable reference point (different universes and all).

So yes, it cannot be refered to as an Easter Egg which I already said (and I said it before as well).

If the Legend of the Fairy was written by Tingle before he knew of the Great Flood, how do you explain the references it makes to the Great Flood?

What references to the Great Flood?

Mohammed Ali

[SOAP]

There are no reference to a great flood but just in case, I guess you could twink that timeline so that Tingle arrived in Hyrule prior to the flood and added that part. After the flooding was over, and everyone settled on their own little islands, Tingle claimed a little piece ofan island that later became Tingle Island.

[Crazy Penguin]

That would usually be the case if it were in the same universe. Fact is it's not so the statement isn't proof. You have to assume LOADS about space and time to make your explination work. The same could be said about mine, though I think it is the most simple as it assumes both universes are unrelated in any way.

If it was anything more complicated than simply "Wind Waker takes place after Majora's Mask" then why didn't they tell us so? The fact that they didn't suggests that it wasn't anything more complicated than that.