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[mohammedali]

I decided it was time to formalise my own timeline, but I need some help as I haven't played all the Gameboy Zelda games yet. In particular, OoA, OoS, FS, FSA.

So here is my timeline. The above games have been placed with the little bit of knowledge I have on them so far...

Sleeping Zelda | OoT ┬ MM | aLttP → KnS = OoX → LA | LoZ → AoL
··················· └ | TMC | FS | FSA | TWW → Reborn

There are 7 Links, 8 Zeldas and 1 Ganon so far.
A timeline split occurs during OoT creating 2 universes.
The scroll in AoL backstory was written by a King born after Sleeping Zelda happened (sometime after aLttP in fact).
Link does return from Termina, and his desendants live on in MMU (Majora Mask Universe). They all wear hats like the Kokairi and are the "Hero's of Time".
A boy unrelated to the hero of time is born after OoT named Link. His desendants live on in WWU (Wind Waker Universe). They all wear hats like the Minish and are the "Hero's of Wind".

All feedback welcome...

Mohammed Ali

[Chaltab]

That is probably the best Split-Timline theory I've ever seen.

I wonder what makes you place Minish Cap after Ocarina?

[Hero of Slime]

What is KnS?

[mohammedali]

That is probably the best Split-Timline theory I've ever seen.

I wonder what makes you place Minish Cap after Ocarina?

Thanks. I originally posted why OoT is before TMC in another thread so I will just repost it here. I'll put the main points in bold.

First OoT happened, where a boy named Link was clothed to look like the Kokairi and hence had the same clothes and hat as they did. There is a possibility that the Kokairi are Minish that decided to live in the real world (possible as we see Elzo managed to be as big as a child in TMC ending) but there is no proof and it really doesn't matter anyway.
After OoT, this Link lived in MMU (Majoras Mask Universe i.e. Child Link timeline) and his desendants were aLttP Link (see family shield), whose desendat was the NES Link (meaning aLttP and the NES Links are both decendants of the Hero of Time).

After OoT, TMC happened in WWU (Wind Waker Universe i.e. Adult Link timeline). It was already common for children to wear green clothing like the Hero of Time, though not all wore caps. Link from TMC then reinforced the cap wearing tradition, and his decendants became the Hero of Wind (see WW shield).  

Other reasons why TMC happens after OoT is that OoT has many Hylians, whilst TMC has mostly human. TMC has many characters from both OoT and WW which helps suggest it is in the middle. TMC Link wears green as well so maybe he got this from OoT Link (just thought I'd throw that in).

What is KnS?

Kodai no Sekiban, the game where the Hero of Light comes to save the day.

Mohammed Ali

[Hero of Slime]

Hylians are Human.

[Chaltab]

Hylians are Human.

Yeah.. And apples are grapes. And 7 = 9...

Hylians are no more human than Klingons are. Hylians are the race with the long ears and magical powers (Zelda, several incarnations of Link) where as Hyrulean humans are like us with slightly pointed ears. (Malon and Talon)

[Hero of Slime]

The people in MM are called human and they are the same as the people in Oot (who are called Hylian). Therefore, Humans and Hylians are the same Species.

[mohammedali]

The people in MM are called human and they are the same as the people in Oot (who are called Hylian). Therefore, Humans and Hylians are the same Species.

MM exists in another universe so no, they aren't necesseraly the same based on that link. What is human in MM land can quite easily be the same as Hylians in Hyrule. It just means that Hyrule Humans are different to Termina Humans. I personally think that the only reason that MM has pointy ears is because they were too lazy to change anything in terms of graphics.

Mohammed Ali

[Chaltab]

Most of the MM character Models are re-used from OoT. Besides, only people with longer ears are Hylian. Weren't you paying any attention to the intro of Wind Waker? The bird was kidnapping maidens with long ears--the descendants of Hylians.

[Octorok]

I have actually played ALL the Zelda games, and trust me on this one, hylians are humans.

[Chaltab]

Actually, I believe there was a clear distinction made in ALttP, OoT and WInd Waker.

[Octorok]

Well, your beliefs are wrong. Totally wrong.

[Hero of Slime]

Actually, I believe there was a clear distinction made in ALttP, OoT and WInd Waker.

Hylians may be have some different traits but, they are part of the Human Species.

[Crazy Penguin]

Before the sleeping Zelda was put to sleep the Triforce of Courage was hidden in the Great Palace, it remained there until Link retrieved it in Adventure of Link. No games featuring the Triforce of Courage can take place inbetween the sleeping Zelda story and Adventure of Link without causing a big plot hole.

In the GBA version of LttP there's a bonus dungeon called Palace of the Four Sword, suggesting that LttP takes place some time after the Four Sword games. Four Swords Adventures shows Ganon finding a trident, the only other games where he uses a trident are LttP, LA (when the Shadow nightmare takes his shape) and the Oracles. This also suggests that the Four Swords games take place before LttP.

In Wind Waker it's strongly implied that there have been no Links to save Hyrule since OoT/MM. Also, Ganon himself is surprised to see another boy much like Link and refers to him as the Hero of Time reborn - this doesn't make much sense if he had been defeated by another Link prior to this in Four Swords Adventures.

Wind Waker makes small references to Majora's Mask.

In the Oracle games Zelda introduces herself to Link as though they have never met before, suggesting that they are a different generation to LttP/LA. However the Oracle games didn't have the best of translations, so I'm trying to find out what the Japanese versions said.

[mohammedali]

Thanks for making a post thats ontopic CP.

Before the sleeping Zelda was put to sleep the Triforce of Courage was hidden in the Great Palace, it remained there until Link retrieved it in Adventure of Link. No games featuring the Triforce of Courage can take place inbetween the sleeping Zelda story and Adventure of Link without causing a big plot hole.

Which is why I said, the scroll in AoL backstory was written by a King born after Sleeping Zelda happened (sometime after aLttP in fact). If you read AoL backstory, it doesn't say the scroll was written at the same time as Zelda falling asleep.

In the GBA version of LttP there's a bonus dungeon called Palace of the Four Sword, suggesting that LttP takes place some time after the Four Sword games. Four Swords Adventures shows Ganon finding a trident, the only other games where he uses a trident are LttP, LA (when the Shadow nightmare takes his shape) and the Oracles. This also suggests that the Four Swords games take place before LttP.

In Wind Waker it's strongly implied that there have been no Links to save Hyrule since OoT/MM. Also, Ganon himself is surprised to see another boy much like Link and refers to him as the Hero of Time reborn - this doesn't make much sense if he had been defeated by another Link prior to this in Four Swords Adventures.

Thanks. Looks link I need to shift Four Swords...

Wind Waker makes small references to Majora's Mask.

No it doesn't. I've read it all. If anything, it makes a timesplit reference.

In the Oracle games Zelda introduces herself to Link as though they have never met before, suggesting that they are a different generation to LttP/LA. However the Oracle games didn't have the best of translations, so I'm trying to find out what the Japanese versions said.

Let me know what becomes of the Jap translation. If he does meet Zelda for the first time, then it must be a new Link between aLttP and LoZ.

Mohammed Ali

[Zythe]

It does make references: The Legend of the Fairy. Hylians are not humans, but Hyrulians are. We don't have Spock ears to hear the gods and cast spells, do we? Also, KnS' english name is "Ancient Stone Tablets", so it's AST.

[Crazy Penguin]

Which is why I said, the scroll in AoL backstory was written by a King born after Sleeping Zelda happened (sometime after aLttP in fact). If you read AoL backstory, it doesn't say the scroll was written at the same time as Zelda falling asleep.

It's very strongly implied that the scroll was written by the sleeping Zelda's father. Remember, the whole fiasco started because the prince did not inherit the complete Triforce from his father and was searching for the Triforce of Courage which his father had hidden from him.

[Trinbadman]

What's the AST story?

What happens in the ALttP GBA bonus dungeon?

[coinilius]

In the GBA version of the AoL manual book, Impa says that the King gave the scroll to her ancestor - the King she was just talking about/the father of the Sleeping Zelda.

[MikePetersSucks]

Well, your beliefs are wrong. Totally wrong.

And you're a communist

TMC | FS | FSA | TWW

Um.... O.o how can all that go in that teenie little gap between OOT and TWW? Also, it implies heavily that FS and FSA have the same Link.

aLttP → KnS = OoX → LA

I don't understand this part of your timeline at all, can you explain it?

Also, I'm not gonna TOUCH the AOL backstory, so is OOT your IW?

Hylians are Human.

Hylians

Actually, I believe there was a clear distinction made in ALttP, OoT and WInd Waker.

That's absolutely correct. Plus, there's been evidence ever since the original LOZ that Hylians are not Humans.

Hylians may be have some different traits but, they are part of the Human Species.

No, they're not. They're too different. They may be able to interbreed, they may be in the same genus, but they are NOT humans. There's too many distinctions.

No games featuring the Triforce of Courage can take place inbetween the sleeping Zelda story and Adventure of Link without causing a big plot hole.

I wasn't gonna go there, but you're right!

In the GBA version of LttP there's a bonus dungeon called Palace of the Four Sword, suggesting that LttP takes place some time after the Four Sword games. Four Swords Adventures shows Ganon finding a trident, the only other games where he uses a trident are LttP, LA (when the Shadow nightmare takes his shape) and the Oracles. This also suggests that the Four Swords games take place before LttP.

Yup.

In Wind Waker it's strongly implied that there have been no Links to save Hyrule since OoT/MM. Also, Ganon himself is surprised to see another boy much like Link and refers to him as the Hero of Time reborn - this doesn't make much sense if he had been defeated by another Link prior to this in Four Swords Adventures.

Indeed.

Wind Waker makes small references to Majora's Mask.

In all fairness, some people write that off as an Easter Egg. I don't, but still.

Which is why I said, the scroll in AoL backstory was written by a King born after Sleeping Zelda happened (sometime after aLttP in fact). If you read AoL backstory, it doesn't say the scroll was written at the same time as Zelda falling asleep.

You completely missed the part about the Triforce of Courage, which is WHY she was put to sleep in the first place.

No it doesn't. I've read it all. If anything, it makes a timesplit reference.

WTF O_o No it doesn't! He's talking about the Legend of the Fairy! Yea, the main story does, but a timeline split messes things up! >.>

What's the AST story?

There's a whole thread about it

What happens in the ALttP GBA bonus dungeon?

You assemble the Four Sword and kill Dark Link.

[Octorok]

No, they're not. They're too different. They may be able to interbreed, they may be in the same genus, but they are NOT humans. There's too many distinctions

Humans are a large and diverse population that includes people with different face shapes, skin color, hair color, eye color, and size. There are plenty of other differences too, so don't make me go on. Even with all these differences, humans are all still more than 99.9% the same genetically.

[Hero of Slime]

Hylians are not humans, but Hyrulians are. We don't have Spock ears to hear the gods and cast spells, do we?

The fact that Hylians have longer ears is not enough to say they are an other species. There are some animals in reality who have different shaped ears but are still the same species.
Magic is not genetic.

[mohammedali]

It's very strongly implied that the scroll was written by the sleeping Zelda's father. Remember, the whole fiasco started because the prince did not inherit the complete Triforce from his father and was searching for the Triforce of Courage which his father had hidden from him.

It is implied though not stated. There are a few assumptions you are making.
1) The King was never quoted as hiding the ToC. It only says the Prince could not inherit the whole Triforce. This to me sounds more like his heart was unbalanced.
2) The King that gave the scroll to the Impa family is Sleeping Zelda's father. This is ALSO not stated.

If there were more proof that either of the above were true, then I would place definately place AoL backstory after aLttP, but as there isn't - it makes more sence to me for it being the first story. Saying something seems to be true doesn't make it canon so until further notice, this point is up for debate.

Um.... O.o how can all that go in that teenie little gap between OOT and TWW? Also, it implies heavily that FS and FSA have the same Link.

Thanks for pointing out they are the same Link. As I said before, I need to work on some of the GB games as I haven't played them all before. Once I get some more info, I will repost my theory.

aLttP → KnS = OoX → LA  
I don't understand this part of your timeline at all, can you explain it?

Sure. After aLttP, KnS (or AST) happens, as does OoX (simultaneously). Then LA happens. I am thinkng of changing this however to the following.

aLttP → AST = LA | OoX

So aLttP, then AST and LA together, then a later Link doing OoX. This will counter the first meeting with Zelda problem, but makes the assumption that this new Link defeated Ganon, but never met the Princess. OK, I guess this explination sucks as well. Can any one get a translated quote from the Japanese Version please?

so is OOT your IW?

Yes.

In the GBA version of LttP there's a bonus dungeon called Palace of the Four Sword, suggesting that LttP takes place some time after the Four Sword games. Four Swords Adventures shows Ganon finding a trident, the only other games where he uses a trident are LttP, LA (when the Shadow nightmare takes his shape) and the Oracles. This also suggests that the Four Swords games take place before LttP.

Man, I really need more info on these games. Anyone willing to fill me in on all necessary info?

Wind Waker makes small references to Majora's Mask.

No it doesn't. Provide me a quote which can only apply to MM and we will see. Try not to add your own justification. I want just the quote.

You completely missed the part about the Triforce of Courage, which is WHY she was put to sleep in the first place.

It says that Zelda was told something by the King about the Triforce. It doesn't outright say that the Triforce was hidden and Zelda was given a scroll by the King. Reread the booklet.

You assemble the Four Sword and kill Dark Link.

Could someone shed some more light on this dugeon. Any important screen shots would also be much appreciated.

Thanks for the feedback thus far guys. Once I get some more responces, I can hopefully compile Version 2

Mohammed Ali

[Zythe]

The fact that Hylians have longer ears is not enough to say they are an other species. There are some animals in reality who have different shaped ears but are still the same species.
Magic is not genetic.

It's also not real, in the sense it's shown in Zelda and on TV shows. Whether your religious beliefs differ or not... throwing lighning bolts kind of magic is shown to be something AS SAID IN ZELDA that only the Hylians possess. GENETICS! God. Please, someone back me up on this, they AREN'T EFFING HUMANS!

[Octorok]

In your timeline, in what order do OoS and OoA come in?

[Zythe]

Irrelevant, really... but I suppose OoA-Oos. Stay on topic, and don't ask random questions that can be asked by PM.

[Crazy Penguin]

It is implied though not stated. There are a few assumptions you are making.
1) The King was never quoted as hiding the ToC. It only says the Prince could not inherit the whole Triforce. This to me sounds more like his heart was unbalanced.
2) The King that gave the scroll to the Impa family is Sleeping Zelda's father. This is ALSO not stated.  

If there were more proof that either of the above were true, then I would place definately place AoL backstory after aLttP, but as there isn't - it makes more sence to me for it being the first story. Saying something seems to be true doesn't make it canon so until further notice, this point is up for debate.

The unbalanced heart thing didn't come up until Ocarina of Time so it has absolutely no relevence here.

To read it any other way than the Prince lacking the Triforce of Courage because his father had hidden it would be playing with semantics. In writing you don't always state things explicitely, you assume that the reader will see what you're getting at, and in this case it's very very obvious what is being got at.

http://www.zeldalege...nual_story.html

Long ago, when Hyrule was still one country, a great King was said to have used the Triforce to maintain order in Hyrule. Yet, even the king was a son of man, and passed away when his lifespan was exhausted. Then, the prince of the Kingdom became the next king, and was to inherit everything. However, when it came to the Triforce, he was only able to inherit it incompletely. The prince sought for what he did not have, and searched everywhere, but he couldn't seem to find it.

---

"To the person that will control the Triforce of the future. You will now be told the secret(s) of the Triforce. There are three kinds of Triforce. Namely "power," "wisdom" and "courage." When these three Triforce are joined together, its maximum power will be shown. Of the three, "power" and "wisdom" remain in this Kingdom and can be received.  But the Triforce of "courage" I have hidden for a reason.  Not everyone can use the Triforce. It is necessary to have a heart free of evil, and a strong character. However, it is also necessary to have special innate qualities. Unfortunately, during my lifetime, I was not able to find such a person. Thus, I cast a magical spell on all of Hyrule. A crest will appear on a person with those qualities who has been raised correctly, picked up various experiences, and is of a certain age.  However, if another person uses the Triforce before that, what will happen?  If it is misused, it will produce various evils. The Triforce of "courage" is hidden in the Great Temple at the "Valley of Death" on the biggest island in Hyrule."

Abridged version -

Zelda's Brother: Dead daddy didn't leave me the entire Triforce in his will and I can't find the rest of it.

Super Secret Mysterious Mystery Parchment of Super Secret Mysterious Mysteries: The Triforce has three parts, Power, Wisdom and Courage. Power and Wisdom have been left in the kingdom to be received. But I've hidden Courage because I couldn't find anyone worthy of it, teeheehee!

Can you see the connection now? =P

No it doesn't. Provide me a quote which can only apply to MM and we will see. Try not to add your own justification. I want just the quote.

It is said that long ago, a boy garbed in green known as the Hero of Time saved  
this land.  However, on a certain island, there is also the story of the fairy  
who saved that hero...

It is said that the Hero of Time met the fairy in the midst of his travels.  
The fairy appeared before the Hero, who had found himself lost in darkness.  
With a mystic power, it would float in midair, dancing above his head like a  
burst balloon.

After the fairy handed the lost Hero a map, it flew off as quickly as it had  
appeared.  Better able to foresee places of danger than the Hero, the fairy  
marked them on a map.  The Legend goes on to say the quest of the Hero of Time  
was saved by this plump figure...

Fairies live for thousands of years... but this odd fairy was a bit different.  
This mystical fairy was born near a lake, and when he met the Hero, he was but  
35. Beyond that, there is little known about that fairy...

The little-known Legend of the Fairy's 35th Birthday  
On one island they celebrate one's 35th birthday with a green coat and red  
pants.  They do this in the hopes of becoming like the legendary fairy, Tingle.

[Octorok]

Irrelevant, really... but I suppose OoA-Oos. Stay on topic, and don't ask random questions that can be asked by PM.

I was asking mohammedali, not you. sorry if I was unclear.

[Hero of Slime]

It's also not real, in the sense it's shown in Zelda and on TV shows. Whether your religious beliefs differ or not... throwing lighning bolts kind of magic is shown to be something AS SAID IN ZELDA that only the Hylians possess. GENETICS! God. Please, someone back me up on this, they AREN'T EFFING HUMANS!

The Hylian race can use magic, but that does not mean they are not part of the Human Species. Humans can use magic too.

[Chaltab]

Is it so hard to believe in this world there are two different but similar species? Homo Sapien and Homo Hylius, if you will.

Besides, remember what the Deku Sprout said? "Link..not Kokiri. You're Hylian."

If OoT Link had been human, then the tree would have said Human.