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#1 Hero of Winds

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:09 AM

Alright, here's mine. Feel free to comment on it.

Link I:
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask

Link II:
The Wind Waker
Tetra's Trackers (?)

Link III:
The Legend of Zelda
The Adventure of Link

Link IV:
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages

Link V:
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening

Link VI:
Four Swords
Four Swords Adventures

Order of Events:
-Golden Goddesses create Hyrule
-Fierce Wars
-Link I opens the Door of Time and is sealed within the Sacred Realm
-Ganondorf enters the Sacred Realm
-Triforce is split, Sacred Realm becomes Dark World
-Link I continues to reappear and disappear from the Temple of Time
-During those times, Link I acquires the Lens of Truth and Silver Gauntlets
-Link I reappears one final time, closes the Door of Time, and talks to Zelda at the castle
-Link I takes the Ocarina of Time and Epona to find Navi
-The events of MM happen
-Ganondorf emerges from the Dark World and takes over Hyrule
-Seven years later, Link I reappears in Hyrule
-As the Hero of Time, Link I awakens the Seven Sages and helps seal Ganon within the Dark World
-Zelda sends Link I back in time, and the Hero of Time is never seen again
-Genrations later, Ganon escapes from the Dark World
-Laruto and Fado are killed, Hyrule plunges into darkness again
-Goddesses freeze Hyrule in time and then covers the land with the Great Sea
-Centuries later, Link II is born and the events of TWW happen
-A new Hyrule is found/created
-Ganon escapes from his stone imprisonment, breaking the Master Sword in the process
-Ganon attacks the new Hyrule and kidnaps Zelda
-Link III appears in Hyrule and the events of LoZ happen
-Six years later, the events of AoL happen
-Generations later, Link IV is sent to Holodrum and Labyrnna by the Triforce
-Link defeats Twinrova and the resurrected Ganon
-Centuries later, Aghanim, an alter ego of Ganon's spirit, appears
-Aghanim sends the seven maidens to the Dark World
-Link V begins his quest and ALttP happens
-After Ganon's final destruction, Link V embarks on a quest of enlightenment
-The events of LA happen
-Link V returns to Hyrule and seals Vaati within the Four Sword
-Generations later, Vaati escapes, only to be re-sealed by Link VI
-A few years later, Vaati escapes the Four Sword again
-Link VI rescues the Shrine Maidens, defeats Vaati, and seals Ganon II (the reincarnation of old Ganon) within the Four Sword


With the exception of the Oracles' placement, my theory is fairly stable. What do you guys think?

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:30 AM

Awesome theory!! I never thought that WW would come second, it's very stable too! I bet it took a lot of thinking out to do, and it's great! I always thought that the others came first, and WW last, but yours is a lot more understandable!! I agree with you.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:32 AM

Awesome theory!! I never thought that WW would come second, it's very stable too! I bet it took a lot of thinking out to do, and it's great! I always thought that the others came first, and WW last, but yours is a lot more understandable!! I agree with you. :ROCK: :nn:

#4 SteveT

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 10:49 AM

Yeah, but you seem to be forgetting a very important fact.

There's only one Link.

Get a nightlife.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 11:28 AM

Very well-thought out.

My only quibble is why the Master Sword is present in the Oracle games. Your description of what happens in OoT (time-travel-wise) is for the most part what I was trying to get at in my own version, only I have to say you put it much better.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 11:35 AM

Why do you mention that the MS is destroyed by Ganon when he breaks out after WW? And when does the MS become whole again?

#7 Hero of Winds

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 11:46 AM

Oops! Guess I was too vague...

Anyways, I had the Master Sword break when Ganon escaped to set up the Master Sword's condition in Oracles and then ALttP. Here's my timeline for the Master Sword:

Pre-OoT: Master Sword is forged
OoT: After Ganon's sealing and the Hero of Time vanishing, the Master Sword is placed within the new Hyrule Castle.
TWW: Link II pulls Master Sword and impales it into Ganon's skull. Both the sword and the petrified Ganon remain on the ocean floor.
LoZ: Ganon escapes, breaking the sword in progress.
Oracles: Link IV finds the broken Master Sword in Holodrum/Labrynna. The sword is repaired and Link takes it back with him to Hyrule. The sword is enshrined deep in the Lost Woods.
ALttP: Link V pulls out the Master Sword, defeats Ganon, and lays the sword to rest... FOREVER!

#8 Reflectionist

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 01:41 PM

Okay, the only problem that I can see is that there are about a million ways to get the master sword in Oracles... and even then, it isn't even the master sword, it can even be forged into the Noble Sword, am I right?

nice work though

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 02:03 PM

No, the Master Sword appears in OoS, and it's called, of course, the Master Sword.

Execellent work, as always ;) .

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 02:42 PM

Nice theory. Other than the "New Hyrule" bit, which I won't argue about, the only problems I can find are that there's nowhere for the AoL backstory to take place, and you haven't explicitly stated if the Imprisoning/Sealing War occurs after the oracles game, to allow for a new Ganon, trapped in the Sacred Realm.

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Yay! My first post! Again!

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 04:03 PM

...or not.

There are four ways to get it, none of them can be correct.

And it is either forged into the Master Sword, or the Noble sword, depending on where you are at the time.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 06:54 PM

THat's the problem with trying to use the Oracle games in any timeline, in my opinion... there are far too many variables and each version is just as canon as any other.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:04 PM

I don't believe the Oracle games are official, that's why I never got/played them.

Yeah, but you seem to be forgetting a very important fact.

There's only one Link.

Get a nightlife.


Ah...noooo, there are WAAYYY more than one Linkies.
Miyamoto says it, it's the widely accepted idea, the phrase, "A new hero rises always to conquer evil," didn't spawn for nothing, and just compare TWW and OoT. Obviously more than one Link.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 08:25 PM

What are you saying? You should admire the perfection of that theory. I developed it with his aid, of course, I improved it.

And tell everyone that Luigi 64 is the number one Zelda fan.

L is real.

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 09:00 PM

Miyamoto's a hack who doesn't understand his own game series. TWW never happened.

Get a nightlife.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:16 AM

Hmm, it isn't April... what are you two doing?

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:32 PM

-Link I opens the Door of Time and is sealed within the Sacred Realm
-Ganondorf enters the Sacred Realm
-Triforce is split, Sacred Realm becomes Dark World
-Link I continues to reappear and disappear from the Temple of Time
-During those times, Link I acquires the Lens of Truth and Silver Gauntlets
-Link I reappears one final time, closes the Door of Time, and talks to Zelda at the castle
-Link I takes the Ocarina of Time and Epona to find Navi
-The events of MM happen
-Ganondorf emerges from the Dark World and takes over Hyrule
-Seven years later, Link I reappears in Hyrule
-As the Hero of Time, Link I awakens the Seven Sages and helps seal Ganon within the Dark World

-Zelda sends Link I back in time, and the Hero of Time is never seen again



Navi left after Link defeated Ganon...which set the stage for MM...so Link went looking Navi for after the Ganon was sealed not before he was sealed...

Unless, HoW, you're saying all the events in the future happen...but that future doesn't happen when Link returns to the past (Zelda realizes Link will defeat Ganon irregardless of time travel (thus didn't have to do it to begin with and felt guilty for having Link lose his yrs) and regains his lost years), then Navi leaves...then MM occurs...and seven years later Link seals Ganon not again..cuz this is really the first time since the other "first time" didn't happen. I hope I didn't lose anyone on that...but is that what you're trying to say...otherwise I couldn't see how Navi leaving happens before Ganon is sealed in the alternate(now defunct) future.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 08:42 PM

yeah, that's how it works tri enforcer... nothing wrong with HoW's thing there


and, steve, why don't you explain why WW never happened...? I mean... I can see where you could be right, but, it sounds like you're just saying that to piss off all of the other zelda fans in here, so let's not do that, ok?

there is absolutely no evidence to infer that the WW never happened... i'm sorry you feel that way, but, even through everything, it is still a zelda game, and Nintendo wouldn't strain so hard to put together these games if they were going to make one that was like "okay, this one doesn't count, because it's on water... I like my theories to be boring"

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:08 PM

The pirates aren't descendants of the knights of Hyrule, they don't even look alike.

L is real.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:47 PM

and, steve, why don't you explain why WW never happened...? I mean... I can see where you could be right, but, it sounds like you're just saying that to piss off all of the other zelda fans in here, so let's not do that, ok?


Simple.

TWW is an extension of Ocarina of Time's future, which was deleted in the ending of OoT. Thus, it's more of a "What if?" game than an actual contribution to the timeline.

Get a nightlife.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:58 PM

Seriously, what are you two doing? Talk Like a Pirate Day isn't Talk Like Mikey and Luigi Day. And besides, it's over.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 11:34 PM

Stretching out a bad joke for as long as possible--

I mean, correcting Hero of Wind's futile attempt at a Zelda theory.

Get a nightlife.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Dirk Amoeba@Sep 18 2004, 11:54 PM
THat's the problem with trying to use the Oracle games in any timeline, in my opinion... there are far too many variables and each version is just as canon as any other.

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Umm... the Oracles are official they're like the best and they fit chronologically perfectly well. There is no reason to beleive they aren't canon.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Reflectionist@Sep 20 2004, 07:42 PM
yeah, that's how it works tri enforcer... nothing wrong with HoW's thing there

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What game have you been playing? That's not how it happens. After Ganon is sealed in the future...that is when Navi leaves and that sets the stage for MM....everything that we saw in OOT is OOT...and whatever Link did after he went into the past and his search for Navi...happened after OOT...not during it.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Zythe
Umm... the Oracles are official they're like the best and they fit chronologically perfectly well.


Hardly. But you're right about one thing: the Oracle games are official. Canon and in-continuity, no matter how brain bustingly annoying it may be to place them.

To clarify on my time travel idea...

-Link collects Spiritual Stones
-Link obtains OoT and opens Door of Time
-Link pulls out Master Sword and vanishes
-Link puts Master Sword back in pedestal and reappears
-Link obtains the Lens of Truth
-Link pulls out Master Sword and vanishes
-Link puts Master Sword back in pedestal and reappears
-Link obtains Silver Gauntlets
-Link pulls out Master Sword and vanishes
-Link puts Master Sword back in pedestal and reappears
-Navi leaves
-MM happens
-Seven years later, Link inexplicably returns
-Adult half of OoT occurs
-Zelda sends Link back in time
-Link vanishes in the time warp and is never seen again


Make sense now?

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 07:55 PM

*applauds HoW*

I think you've got it, right there.

I can't see anything too terribly wrong with it, now that we have oracles cleared up.

There are so many ways that WW would work in a single timeline, and even then, it's just a small detail, and either way, it puts it in the same spot. So, however you want to look at the Hyrule detail, it still goes before LttP.... I guess...

*adhere's to HoW's theory*


Edit - wait, wait, wait... Are we waiting here for Minish Cap to come out? Nothing in there explains the backstory to Four Swords. Okay, let's see... this will probably make you crazy, but... if you're gonna wait until MC comes out, then, leave it as is, but if you're not, then, hell i don't know, but, I think that FS has to have something to do with LttP. Because, I could see it being very possible that there was a temple in the Pyramid of Power called the Palace of the Four Sword. I could very well see that. Other than that, wonderful!!!

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 01:17 AM

You haven't answered my questions... Where does the AoL backstory come, and are you having a sperate IW before aLttP?

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:04 AM

^Right. Well, I was under the impression that the AoL backstory had been revised for the more simpler "Princess Zelda was put to sleep by a magician" happening between LoZ and AoL. Might have to change that if new details come out (i.e. AoL GBA).

And no, the IW is a retelling of sorts of the events that happened in OoT.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 10:23 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Hero of Winds+Sep 18 2004, 04:46 PM-->
QUOTE(Hero of Winds @ Sep 18 2004, 04:46 PM)
Oops! Guess I was too vague...

Anyways, I had the Master Sword break when Ganon escaped to set up the Master Sword's condition in Oracles and then ALttP. Here's my timeline for the Master Sword:

Pre-OoT: Master Sword is forged
OoT: After Ganon's sealing and the Hero of Time vanishing, the Master Sword is placed within the new Hyrule Castle.
TWW: Link II pulls Master Sword and impales it into Ganon's skull. Both the sword and the petrified Ganon remain on the ocean floor.
LoZ: Ganon escapes, breaking the sword in progress.
Oracles: Link IV finds the broken Master Sword in Holodrum/Labrynna. The sword is repaired and Link takes it back with him to Hyrule. The sword is enshrined deep in the Lost Woods.
ALttP: Link V pulls out the Master Sword, defeats Ganon, and lays the sword to rest... FOREVER!

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That has been my theory for so long. Do you remember the days when you said that was entirely unlikely?

and, steve, why don't you explain why WW never happened...? I mean... I can see where you could be right, but, it sounds like you're just saying that to piss off all of the other zelda fans in here, so let's not do that, ok?


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Posted 22 September 2004 - 11:49 AM

Ok... and I'm glad no one cares that I actually agree with HoW's theories for once... I just want to know if he's waiting for MC to come out, because FS has a backstory and it's not in there.




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