Well fine Zythe. I guess I read your post wrong XP. At least we know that Courage does in fact change things as much as the other ones do.
The Triforce and its abilities
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 08:04 AM
Well it seems like the amazing members of Legends Alliance have already deduced that each one of the pieces of the Triforce amplify the powers of the corrosponding piece. Now we need to discuss the attributes associated with the complete Triforce, and what people think it can do.
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 01:00 PM
Not really, Darkseid. Since we all know that-It grants wishes. Any wish. Oooooo
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 02:00 PM
Not really, Darkseid. Since we all know that-It grants wishes. Any wish. Oooooo
Well I figured some might want to go more in depth with the nature of the Triforce. But perhaps what you said is good enough.
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 03:24 PM
Did you know that the Triforce of wisdom is actually the strongest one? Not with power but it can control both Triforce pieces; Courage and Power.
Power cannot control courage neither can courage control power. Wisdom can do both!
One of the coolest quotes I read;
"he who depends on power alone without wisdom, cannot claim courage!"
WOOT!!! and it's actually from those old valiant comics, the weird part is it's right. Because Ganondorf in Oot first wanted wisdom so he could claim courage. That's why Zelda was so important for him!!
Power cannot control courage neither can courage control power. Wisdom can do both!
One of the coolest quotes I read;
"he who depends on power alone without wisdom, cannot claim courage!"
WOOT!!! and it's actually from those old valiant comics, the weird part is it's right. Because Ganondorf in Oot first wanted wisdom so he could claim courage. That's why Zelda was so important for him!!
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Did you know that the Triforce of wisdom is actually the strongest one? Not with power but it can control both Triforce pieces; Courage and Power.
Power cannot control courage neither can courage control power. Wisdom can do both!
One of the coolest quotes I read;
"he who depends on power alone without wisdom, cannot claim courage!"
WOOT!!! and it's actually from those old valiant comics, the weird part is it's right. Because Ganondorf in Oot first wanted wisdom so he could claim courage. That's why Zelda was so important for him!!
Yes, perhaps this is why it is called the Legend of Zelda, since Zelda has wisdom
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 04:43 PM
and that's why ganon always loses in the end!
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Posted 30 January 2005 - 09:31 PM
Hm. Wisdom isn't the strongest piece, per se, but it is handier for obtaining the other two, methinks. I wouldn't give up my brains for anything. I'm a puny gutless weasel, but I made the HONOR ROLL! (Oh, what now?)
As for the title," "Legend of Zelda," when it's all about Link really, that's easy. It's so called because the legend was passed down by the Royal Family of Zelda's, and shaped and warped through the ages to become an epic spanning many heroes with many lives with one purpose: to stop evil. Deep, ain't it? *smiles hick grin*
As for the title," "Legend of Zelda," when it's all about Link really, that's easy. It's so called because the legend was passed down by the Royal Family of Zelda's, and shaped and warped through the ages to become an epic spanning many heroes with many lives with one purpose: to stop evil. Deep, ain't it? *smiles hick grin*
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Posted 31 January 2005 - 06:08 PM
Tried to post before...but failed. Anyway, my take on the whole thing is as follows:
The Triforce as a whole grants the user's wishes, therefore it makes sense that the individual pieces also do so in a way. While not directly granting, they give the ability to the one in possesion to fulfill their own wishes.
While it's true that each had a bit of what was needed to fulfill their wishes, and in the end, destiny, the Triforce gave them each absolute ability to do so. In essence, each wish is fulfilled, though not with the scope of the power of the entire Triforce.
The Triforce as a whole grants the user's wishes, therefore it makes sense that the individual pieces also do so in a way. While not directly granting, they give the ability to the one in possesion to fulfill their own wishes.
- ToP- Ganon's wish was to rule Hyrule. The Triforce of Power grants him the (duh) power to do so
- ToW- Zelda's wish was to restore Hyrule to it's former glory and undo her mistake. The Triforce of Wisdome grants her the patience and knowledge to do so.
- ToC- Link's wish was to defeat Ganon. The Triforce of Courage granted him the resolve and courage to do so against seemingly impossible odds.
While it's true that each had a bit of what was needed to fulfill their wishes, and in the end, destiny, the Triforce gave them each absolute ability to do so. In essence, each wish is fulfilled, though not with the scope of the power of the entire Triforce.
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Posted 31 January 2005 - 06:38 PM
Tried to post before...but failed. Anyway, my take on the whole thing is as follows:
The Triforce as a whole grants the user's wishes, therefore it makes sense that the individual pieces also do so in a way. While not directly granting, they give the ability to the one in possesion to fulfill their own wishes.
- ToP- Ganon's wish was to rule Hyrule. The Triforce of Power grants him the (duh) power to do so
- ToW- Zelda's wish was to restore Hyrule to it's former glory and undo her mistake. The Triforce of Wisdome grants her the patience and knowledge to do so.
- ToC- Link's wish was to defeat Ganon. The Triforce of Courage granted him the resolve and courage to do so against seemingly impossible odds.
While it's true that each had a bit of what was needed to fulfill their wishes, and in the end, destiny, the Triforce gave them each absolute ability to do so. In essence, each wish is fulfilled, though not with the scope of the power of the entire Triforce.
Hey that's pretty clever BlackHawkA100 and it makes sense too. As for the complete Triforce, not only do I think it grants wishes which is a no-brainer, but I also think it is all-powerful if utilized correctly.
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Posted 31 January 2005 - 09:38 PM
I don't think it necessarily granted their wishes, but they carried out their wishes using it's power. That, and Ganon didn't want Hyrule so much as the whole world. That's why he pursued the other two pieces, so he wouldn't have to work for a kingdom, but just kick back and wish for the universe. Other than that, that's solid.
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I don't think it necessarily granted their wishes, but they carried out their wishes using it's power. That, and Ganon didn't want Hyrule so much as the whole world. That's why he pursued the other two pieces, so he wouldn't have to work for a kingdom, but just kick back and wish for the universe. Other than that, that's solid.
Well BlackHawkA100 stated though that it doesn't directly grant their wishes, but more or less carries them out, sort of like how you stated it.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:54 AM
I don't see any evidence of the triforce pieces doing anything independently.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 02:46 PM
That was definitely a random thought. If they didn't do anything independently, Zelda would not be Sheik, Link would not be able to strike down Ganon, and Ganondorf never would have come to be dictator, something he did with the ToP.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 02:54 PM
I don't think the sheik(ah) disguise neccessarily required the ToW. A simple enough illusion shouldn't require one third of omnipotence.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 03:12 PM
Well, neither do I, but most folks think that's what she used it for. You know how it shimmers when she transforms?
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 03:28 PM
I don't think that the transforming takes up a whole third of the Triforce's power, it's just more likely that transforming was one thing the ToW enabled her to do.
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Who said it would take 1/3 Triforce? What Fatgoron probably meant is Zelda couldn't do it on her own because she herself isn't that magical so she used the ToW.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 03:48 PM
Ah, okay, my bad. Never mind then.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 04:32 PM
Well Zelda seems magical in nature anyways, and the Shiek thing might have been taught to her by Impa, an actual Shiekah. I mean she knows the Shiekah lore of the Triforce, and the only Shiekah we know in the game is Impa, so she probably told her the legend. I think the main thing the Triforce of Wisdom did was amplify her knowledge, and thus she had the wisdom to realize that what she had done was a mistake as a child. She also became the leader of sages and through her wisdom commanded them to seal Ganondorf in the Evil Realm.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 04:33 PM
Actually I do think she ought to be able to do it on her own.
Perhaps she could use magic to apply and remove the disguise, but I don't think it's neccessarily entirely dependent upon the ToW. At it's simplest, she's basically cross-dressing.
Perhaps she could use magic to apply and remove the disguise, but I don't think it's neccessarily entirely dependent upon the ToW. At it's simplest, she's basically cross-dressing.
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I don't see how everybody continues to relate the power of the Triforce of Wisdom with Zelda's disguise of Shiek. Um...off topic but...anybody ever seen the anime PeaceMaker? In it there's a ninja who can completely disguise himself as a woman, and no, he's not one of those anime characters who already looks like one... my point is, that with certain knowledge and techniques (plus some practice) it would be simple for Zelda to disquise herself in any way she wished with or without the ToW. Most likely, as has been stated, it was something taught to her by Impa, who was presumably with Zelda during her exile.
As far as it's magic transforming her, what in the world does Wisdom have to do with transforming?
As far as it's magic transforming her, what in the world does Wisdom have to do with transforming?
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 07:09 PM
That's the thing, she was taught to be a sheikah by Impa. I think that should be enough.
"Have you heard the legend of the
"Shadow Folk"?
They are the Sheikah...the shadows
of the Hylians."
I'll be the first to call this inconclusive, but I'd say that the "shadows" comment sounds like an alter-ego situation.
Actually, does anyone know what the japanese version of the old man's text says?
If so, does it use the same word used to denote Aghanim as Ganon's alter-ego?
"Have you heard the legend of the
"Shadow Folk"?
They are the Sheikah...the shadows
of the Hylians."
I'll be the first to call this inconclusive, but I'd say that the "shadows" comment sounds like an alter-ego situation.
Actually, does anyone know what the japanese version of the old man's text says?
If so, does it use the same word used to denote Aghanim as Ganon's alter-ego?
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 07:40 PM
I loved that line about the Shadow Folk... it's kinda poetic.
Has anyone heard of a swoon virgin? Basically in some remote places in the world, it's a woman who takes on the role of a man when no males are born in their household to do all the work of a man. They completely live as men--clothes, hair, everything and some of them actually look like they were born male. But they do this without the the technology of switching one's gender or even taking hormone pills. Surely, Zelda could've changed into a "man" without any magic or medical procedures of any kind. Of course, the TOW probably gave her the smarts to make such a convincing disquise.
Has anyone heard of a swoon virgin? Basically in some remote places in the world, it's a woman who takes on the role of a man when no males are born in their household to do all the work of a man. They completely live as men--clothes, hair, everything and some of them actually look like they were born male. But they do this without the the technology of switching one's gender or even taking hormone pills. Surely, Zelda could've changed into a "man" without any magic or medical procedures of any kind. Of course, the TOW probably gave her the smarts to make such a convincing disquise.
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Posted 02 February 2005 - 05:22 PM
Or she could've used the enigmatic Light Force. OOOOooo
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 12:01 PM
Ah....no. Not the Light Force. They didn't know about it when they made the game, did they? Wait, they did. But that's beside the point. I think the smarts she got as an Adult were MORE than enough to let her know her plan was stupid, she didn't need the Triforce's power for that, but her disguise? She could've used it for that, as well as the bazillion other powers she demonstrates in the "escape" scene, and holding Ganon down, don't you think?
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 08:30 PM
Or it could simply be her power as the leader of the SAGES! OOOooo what now? XD
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 06:59 PM
In my last post I said I would talk about the triforces limitations. Many people believe it to be almost limitless in power since it will grant any wish - but it doesn't. As stated at the end of ALttP, the triforce will grant the wishes in a persons heart and the more powerful the wish, the more powerful the expression of that wish will be. Ganon wished to conquer the world but all he got was a perverted golden realm. If you ask me, thats a very strong wish with a very weak result - its like wishing to be the richest person in the world and being given 10 bucks. So maybe the triforce isn't as all powerful as people seem to think...
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:52 PM
I think you may be confused on that one, but it's been a while since I've played, so I can't remember.
And DUDE, the Goddesses flooded their chosen city with it, it's POWERFUL. It's what the Zeldaverse revolves AROUND!
And DUDE, the Goddesses flooded their chosen city with it, it's POWERFUL. It's what the Zeldaverse revolves AROUND!
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 09:04 PM
I'm not saying it isn't powerful, i'm just suggesting it has limitations. For instance, if someone wished for immortality the triforce would probably just extend their life or make them tougher in battle, I doubt it would actually grant immortality since that is beyond its power - just like conquering the light world was beyond its power.
