I'll admit it. I love to see these people ragequit arguments when their data doesn't add up. But it also terrifies me what these people believe and swallow without researching ANYTHING first. The amount of misinformation is just...staggering. I'll provide some examples. And then the pro-vaxxers are accused of not doing research and cognitive dissonance.
The crazy thing is they believe throwing out medical articles and studies give them more credibility. But then I read the article and its more than clear they didn't.
I'm pro-vaccine just because the effects are pretty easy to observe when you get down to it. People are vaccinated and the incidences of the diseases vaccinated for go down. Vaccination stops before a disease is eradicated and the number of people infected goes up.
This is the back and forth from the thread. Funny nicknames and commentary added for your enjoyment. Also spoilered in case of tl;dr. I am also an arrogant little shit. Please forgive me.
Yeaaaah so I never did get a collection of research papers and articles because I was having too much fun. I did link the CNN news story on the Wakefield fraud later on.
And I actually did learn a lot yesterday as I researched quite a bit to see if the anti-vaxxers had a valid point.
New things I learned:
- How attenuated viruses are made with non-human tissues. A very early step towards genetic engineering actually. In the case of polio it was accomplished by passing the virus through non-human tissue, like monkey kidneys, until they mutate into a form that doesn't cause symptoms but still provokes an immune reaction. I'm over simplifying it but it's fascinating. I knew attenuated virus vaccines were live vaccines but I didn't know the mechanism behind attenuating the virus.
- This in turn explained why some polio vaccines failed or accidently caused polio in some cases. The virus reverted into a symptomatic and infectious state. This happens with the oral vaccine but not the subcutaneous one as the one administered subcutaneously is a "dead" virus vaccine.
- Learned more about the immortal HeLa cell line like it's important role in developing Salk's vaccine.
- which led to reading about HeLa again to see if there were any new updates.
- Which led to reading about laboratory "weeds" of cell lines that have bee completely taken over by HeLa and similar immortal cell lines.
I don't think the other side or even some of the people on the pro-vax side learned much.
What is this anti-science thing with vaccines? They're anti-science until "science" can supposedly prove a point. Or this anti learning thing. I know my views have changed drastically in the last couple years when I've had my beliefs challenged by good data. When you have to resort to Mercola blogs or discreted papers, how do you not self examine and go "Wait, maybe I have the wrong idea here."
And these aren't like young 20 somethings. These are all people married and in their thirties or above except for me at 28 with no kids.