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#1 Pook

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:46 AM

So, we all watch TV. Admit it. Either we stream the latest episode of Archer online or enjoy some Days of Our Lives on repeat.

 

How you consume it is really the variance.

 

I've never really been one to watch TV (you know, hours on end in front of the TV with commercials and all) but since 2007, I've been a fanatic about Programs/Shows in general. I love film, so television isn't really all that far off, save for how you consume it.

 

For me, a season at a time. Be it Netflix, or buying a used series from the mall, or streaming Axe Cop online-- I watch TV.

 

And I admit it.

 

I do not, however watch TV like we used to as kids.

 

Now that that's established, what are you currently watching/addicted to?

 

I've been watching BoJack Horseman and (repeated watching of) Brooklyn Nine-Nine on Netflix recently.

Something to help pass the time while I write new songs for my Arkham Project.

 

 



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:48 AM

I watch Blacklist, Ray Donovan, and Franklin & Bash.

 

I also recently started watching The Shield but I'm not sure I'll finish, I was a big Burn Notice fan and it has a lot of actors from it.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

Well Korra just finished up so there's a bit of a hole in my heart right now. I'm also on the edge of my seat waiting for new seasons of True Detective, Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, and Game of Thrones.

 

I abandoned the Office when Michael was leaving back when it was on the air, but recently I've gone back to try and watch those last seasons. It's...weird.

 

I've also been rewatching the Simpsons since they're doing that marathon, and Northern Exposure because my partner has never seen it and I know he'll love it.

 

I know I reeeallly need to watch Archer but I haven't gotten around to it. Maybe this weekend I'll give it a shot.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:17 AM

I've been trying to get into both Arrested Development and Parks and Recreation since it seems like everyone loves them, but I honestly don't see the appeal. :s They're ok to watch occasionally but I can't get into them enough to want to binge watch them.

I actually don't watch a lot of tv these days. I've been watching the new episodes of Sailor Moon Crystal and I'll ccollect about 5 episodes of Adventure Time and then watch them all at once but there's nothing I really watch religiously anymore. That's only when Game of Thrones is showing. :P

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 10:32 AM

I've been trying to get into both Arrested Development and Parks and Recreation since it seems like everyone loves them, but I honestly don't see the appeal. :s 

 

 

I don't think we can be friends.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 11:47 AM

Michael's idiotic family does something idiotic. Michael has to save them. Michael gets tired of saving them and says he's going to disown them. Michael eventually remembers *~family first~* and stays. Rinse and repeat. Bleh.

 

 

I admit I could probably give Parks & Rec more of a chance since I've only watched about five episodes but so far I like the gifs from it better than the actual show.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 12:21 PM

The first season of P&R is weaker than the later ones, that's pretty well agreed upon, so yeah definitely watch more.

 

Arrested Development is like a lot of comedies in that it is not so well-loved for its plot—it's all about the great acting (seriously, what a killer and hilarious cast), characters, and the rapid-fire jokes as well as the jokes that build up all episode. AD is so great to rewatch because you never catch all the jokes the first time through.

 

What comedies do you like better? Just wondering what your perspective is. Because Arrested Development and P&R are both some of my favorite shows of all time and they're pretty well-received critically. But I'm also more into characters I think rather than plot, if that makes any sense...I don't know if that's a thing.

 

edit: also fwiw there way more plotlines than that one in AD (though that trope is recycled a few times, don't get me wrong), but even still, I don't really think of the plot as being terribly integral to my enjoyment of a comedy.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 12:56 PM

Really? Because I just don't find any of the characters interesting or all that funny at all. Michael's self importance is fucking insufferable and the haha Tobias is so gay he just said something that sounds homoerotic isn't that funny guys he's so gay thing gets really old really fast. :s I guess Lucille can be kinda funny but the rest just seem really one dimensional and boring.

 

As for stuff I like uhhhhhhhh I'm having trouble coming up with comedies. Ok I like the Office, Archer, Futurama, Dead Like Me, is Orange Is the New Black considered a comedy? Because I fucking love that show, I did like Community but I've been lazy about finishing it, uhhhhhhhh... idk I'm bad at coming up with stuff off the top of my head.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 01:07 PM

I mean Michael is supposed to be insufferable and unfunny because he's there to provide contrast. In general I don't really get when people are seriously annoyed at characters that are designed to be annoying (e.g., on the Office, Kelly, Michael, Ryan, Andy)—yes, they are annoying, that's the point, they're there to create conflicts.

I don't think that the point of Tobias is "lol gay people" it's more about his constant obliviousness than his sexuality.

 

How many episodes have you seen though? I feel like you're making generalizations based on a small sample of episodes (especially the pilot), 'cause those are all things that happen but it's really not the majority of what happens. Though if you don't like the second episode I don't know if you're going to like it at all, you seem to have your mind made up that you don't like it so there's probably no point in telling you to watch more (I don't mean that as an insult—I'm the same way with Scrubs, no amount of further watching will make me not annoyed at it). I'm surprised to hear you say that you like Archer and not AD though because most of my recs for Archer have come from people saying "if you love AD you'll love Archer too". Maybe it just doesn't work the other way around. I also can't speak more to it then that since like I said I haven't started Archer yet.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 03:41 PM

I don't really watch a whole lot of TV shows, but I did just finish up Futurama a few weeks ago on Netflix. I've really been wanting start up Star Trek: TNG, but the first episode is 90 minutes, and I typically get on Netflix to watch something just before I go to bed.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 03:50 PM

Come on, Jasi, we put up with you saying that Firefly is bad. :o

 

 

 

I don't really watch much TV, because it's hard for me to sit and passively focus on one thing for hours at a time (which is why gaming tends to be my preferred form of media -- since I'm actively doing something). I have to be really passionate about a series to stay tuned in. So I only have a couple modern series that I've been loyal to. Otherwise, I watch a lot of old series.

 

 

* Game of Thrones

* Legend of Korra

* Welcome to Sweden (watching it because of family reasons, but I feel kinda so-so about it -- and I highly doubt non-Scandinavians find it funny)

 

* Twin Peaks (one of my favorites of all time -- I occasionally rewatch)

* Star Trek: TNG (same)

* Batman TAS (yeaaaah!)

 

 

I also rewatched Reboot a while back. First 3D series, right outta Vancouver! The first season is ehhhh but S2 onward is actually really great -- especially viewed through adult eyes, because you realize just how much shit they got through the censors. Got surprisingly dark and epic as it progressed, and it masterfully poked fun at pop culture. To the point where it stopped being just a joke and helped fuel the plot.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 04:03 PM

I'm well into the second season Megan. I mean it's not totally horrible, it's watchable when I don't have anything else to do (it's usually what I watch while I'm on the potty lol), I'm just saying I don't really see the reason for the huge following it seems to have. A lot of the jokes just seem really forced or unfunny or totally predictable.

Archer doesn't seem at all comparable to me. Just that the lady that plays Lucille voices Archer's mom.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 04:08 PM

It's okay Rova, I don't like Arrested Development either. I LOVE Parks and Rec! Though I guess by 5 episodes in you should know whether the style of humor is your thing.

Lately I've been watching Littlest Pet Shop. It's by the same studio that does MLP Friendship is Magic and is brilliant in much the same way, being a really clever and well-written show in spite of being a toy commercial. Actually by the second season I started to like it way more than MLP which I grew tired of. Also been watching Young Justice. It's so good. I was so disappointed to find out it was cancelled in the middle of season two.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:18 PM

Game of Thrones
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Sons of Anarchy
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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:44 PM

Come on, Jasi, we put up with you saying that Firefly is bad. :o

 

 

The difference is that Arrested Development is pretty universally critically acclaimed and won several Emmys, whereas Firefly has very mixed reviews. :P But yeah I'll let it go...



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:55 PM

IF CRITICS TOLD YOU THAT JUMPING OFF A BRIDGE WAS HIGH ART, WOULD YOU DO IT? :o

 

 

 

 

Although on a semi-serious note, I have learned to take what critics say with a grain of salt, because I just flat out don't like some of the stuff that they praise as being really good (which is a mentality that also applies to designers and fashion trends). Something's not inherently better just because a bunch of yuppie reviewers say so, y'know? Different strokes for different folks.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:58 PM

I don't dislike it because reviewers told me to. I dislike it because it's kind of bad, and this evaluation is given credence by the fact that professional TV critics agree with me.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

Eh, does adding the word "professional" to critic really mean anything? All it means is that it's your job to state your opinion and you get paid for it, and you (in theory) are respected enough for people to take heed. It's still really just that one person's opinion. Though to be fair, the internet, for good or ill, has tarnished the term critic in recent years now that everyone can state their opinion out in the open and freely belittle others for disagreeing. Critics nowadays are a far cry from Siskel & Ebert, being more concerned with being snarky or cracking jokes then doing any valid critiquing, or worse, taking it personally when people disagree with them. Ebert got super passionate about his distaste for movies, but he would still give something props for the few things it did right before eviscerating it. Hell, even critics who do give the time to have a thoughtful argument or give their opinion straight end up having their article be given a bold psychotic headline to feed the flames when the text itself is even keeled. A few pros are still very much pros about it, but way too many are more interested in calling out people who disagree with them then giving their argument.

 

Not that people not liking Firefly or whatever is wrong, Joss Whedon isn't for everybody, believe it or not, but I don't think having a bunch of professional critics agree with you is any different then "This random group of people I gathered on the street just now also don't like this show." :P

 

 

Oh, and uh, shows I watch right now? Eh, I don't have cable anymore since I moved out on my own a couple years ago, so I pretty much watch stuff through Netflix, Hulu, and DVD releases.

.....though for Game of Thrones there are.....other means, but I always buy the Blu-Rays when they come out.

 

 

I keep watching The Walking Dead. I can't help it. I shouldn't, but I still do. Dammit.

Finished up the last of The Clone Wars on Netflix. Really, really disappointed it got the axe before the sixth season could be completed, since it was getting really good and the random plot threads here would've been great to see expanded on. 

 

 

...you know, otherwise, I don't think I'm watching any current shows. A couple random anime like Attack on Titan and robotics;notes, the current TMNT series, but that's it. Mostly just watching stuff I missed, or on bored day I go and watch old shows from my childhood with the nostalgia filter off. I am super curious about Fargo and Hannibal though.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

I didn't even know people *could* think Firefly was bad. I mean, how would you make a FOX joke without it?

 

I browse Netflix, Hulu, and Youtube

 

  • Top Gear 
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  • Log Horizon (when it starts airing again in a month)

 

I've also discovered that a ton of Attenborough's work is on youtube. I have lived and breathed this guy's nature documentaries since infancy. Watching these is worse than crack.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:21 PM

Uhhh I mean criticism is a real job that actually does take research and knowledge and stuff. Yes you get paid also, but that's not all it means. As someone that professionally does a type of music criticism it really irks me when people say that my opinion on music (or a sommelier's opinion on wine, or a literary critic's opinion on a novel, or a movie critic's opinion on a movie) is just as useful or as worthless as some Joe Shmoe off the street. For some reason people think "oh it's art so everyone's opinions are equal" but some people are more informed than others.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:36 PM

Eh, I think I said all that wrong.

 

Of course it's more valid if you're someone who works in that field or has experience in that field, like you mentioned wine tasters and musicians in regards to wine and music. I was more annoyed by how the internet has made criticism so binary nowadays and turned something like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic from a cool neat little thing to glance at to "ITS EITHER GOOD OR BAD, NOTHING ELSE." You're just not allowed to like or dislike anything anymore if it's unpopular or you happen to be hanging around the wrong crowd at the time, and rather then just let things go, it's all gang warfare with "YOU LIKE X, YOU MUST BE STUPID" or "YOU DISLIKE Y, YOU MUST BE AN ARROGANT PRICK THAT DOESN'T HAVE FUN." You can't say "This was awful but they did a good job with such and such" or "It was okay, but this or that was a total misstep,"  anymore, it seems. 

 

Still, how are people even allowed into that circle or being accepted as a professional critic? You have to like the same things the group of people in question like or tiptoe around the same things? There are plenty of well informed people on different subjects who are cast out as wacko outliers since they don't agree with the status quo at that exact moment in time, sometimes they're vindicated later and sometimes not. I was just saying that in the end, informed or not, it's still that one person't opinion. If anything, the person reading the review should have a good grasp of what they themselves already like and probably have some familiarity with the writer/speaker to have a good idea of where they'll match or not. You should hold it in regard, but not to the extent of holding it over someone else's head.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:43 PM

Okay yeah, I know what you mean for sure.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 10:11 PM

I honestly don't mind if you don't like Firefly -- and I know you don't base your opinions on reviewers -- but it's just... eh....

 

 

I mean, the implications of what you said is basically "It's okay to say Firefly is bad, because I have proof from critics that it's just low-brow schlock. But if you don't like Arrested Development, then you're probably wrong and evaluating it wrong and you just need to try it again, because there's concrete evidence that it's a great show." Even though both shows have (probably?) equally huge and passionate fanbases.

 

Which, in itself, comes across as "If you don't like Arrested Development and/or prefer something like Firefly, then you probably just have bad taste and need to enlighten yourself."

 

 

 

But, you know... they're two radically different shows. And if you don't like the general theme of either one, then it doesn't matter what the acting or overall writing is like -- you still aren't gonna like it. 



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 10:35 PM

Doctor Who is my current obsession. And past obsession. A band director friend turned me on to Who back in the early 2000's, before the revival started. During the year I taught high school band, pretty much every day after work we'd hang out and watch an old story from his massive collection of old Who VHS and DVDs. Tom Baker was my doctor, and still pretty much is.

 

And then I did other things for many years, and never saw any of the revival series, until I sat down to watch it about a year or two ago. wisp had been on board with it before then, and now having caught all the way up we're both kinda wacky for it. It's really the perfect vehicle for storytelling, within the frame of the time-and-space-travelling man, you can pretty much tell any story you want, touch any genre, make any point. There's been a huge amount of great writing put into that show over the last 50 years. And some truly awful stuff, too. Such is life.

 

We recently finished Orange is the New Black, and I enjoyed it as well.

 

Frasier is what's on the TV when we just need the TV on for some reason. We've seen every bit of it before, but it's still enjoyable. I consider it the last truly great three-camera laugh track sitcom.

 

Other shows have changed the game since then - it apparently isn't for everyone, but I think Arrested Development is the funniest show ever made. It's so crammed full of jokes that it rewards multiple viewings - I can't be doing anything else when I watch it, it demands undivided attention. If I'm not focused on it it can just be kind of grating noise, but when I'm watching closely, it's so fucking clever: it's got jokes buried in it that don't pay off until many episodes later, sometimes not even in the same season. Sure, they're not all good jokes. But the vast majority are, and the attention to detail is way beyond what I usually expect from a comedy show.

 

Other shows that have left an impression on me:

The X-Files.

Daria.

Firefly - I went through a period where Firefly was the greatest show ever made, and I watched it a lot. I still love it, but the jets have cooled somewhat over the years. I still love it, but maybe I just saw it too much or something, I'm less inclined to put on an episode of it than several other things.

 

Sherlock. The most recent season got a little heavy on the fanservice and light on the Holmes, but it's still compelling television. The Granada Television Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett is the best television Holmes for me, but Sherlock is a better show in the modern sense.

 

There's a lot of modern stuff I haven't seen - don't have HBO, so no Game of Thrones, or True Detective, or any of their other series. Haven't seen Community. Have seen some episodes of Parks and Rec, and it was really funny, but I haven't sat down to watch the series. 

 

EDIT: I wrote so many words! Fewer now.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:32 AM

Of what's been mentioned so far... I love Firefly, Arrested Development, Doctor Who, Frasier, OiTNB, Daria, Sailor Moon (original, of course, and Crystal is great so far also), and MLP. I like Sherlock a lot too. I also particularly like Black Butler (Kuroshitsuji), and sometimes I turn that on and watch it. 

 

Frasier is my favorite for watching absentmindedly. I've seen every episode at least twice, so I can hear a piece of a joke and pretty much know immediately what's going on. And it doesn't really hurt my soul to watch just one or two episodes and then turn it off, because I know what happens next. 

 

I have not seen Parks and Recreation, but I hear the name come up a lot.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:17 AM

I mean, the implications of what you said is basically "It's okay to say Firefly is bad, because I have proof from critics that it's just low-brow schlock. But if you don't like Arrested Development, then you're probably wrong and evaluating it wrong and you just need to try it again, because there's concrete evidence that it's a great show." Even though both shows have (probably?) equally huge and passionate fanbases.

 

Which, in itself, comes across as "If you don't like Arrested Development and/or prefer something like Firefly, then you probably just have bad taste and need to enlighten yourself."

 

But, you know... they're two radically different shows. And if you don't like the general theme of either one, then it doesn't matter what the acting or overall writing is like -- you still aren't gonna like it. 

 

Nonono, because there are lots of good reviews for Firefly too—reviews are mixed, not abysmal. It's not that people who like Firefly have bad taste, it's more that there is a sizable chunk of respectable people who don't like Firefly so it's not just me! It was more defending myself than putting people down. And I know I said it was "kind of bad", but I'm sure you know what I mean...and I totally get kitschy appeal in some situations. I also like things that I would call "kind of bad", just not Firefly. 

 

Ughhhh whatever. My point is: I don't mean to be high and mighty, I just want people to like Arrested Development because it's hilarious and the best. Sorry for being a jerk.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:09 AM

And all we're trying to say is Arrested Development being hilarious and the best is just, like, your opinion, man. :P

I need to go back and rewatch the old Sailor Moon. It's just I'd like to give the subbed version a chance, but like Lena I think said, it's hard for me to just sit and watch a show with my undivided attention. I like being able to do other things while I watch stuff and you can't really do that when you have to read it lolol.

I forgot to mention something about Archer...if you give it a shot, don't worry if you don't like the first season. I didn't like it either cuz all the characters were huge assholes, but then by the second season that actually became one of the show's best qualities?? Idk how they managed to do that but yeah.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

Ughhh I get it I get it and I said I was gonna drop it but other people kept responding to me about it



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:51 AM

*high fives Jasi*

Firefly is overrated as hell ;d

So, lately I've just been watching random episodes of the Simpsons (from seasons 3-8) I just finished The Mindy Project a while ago. I've got a long list of shows I really need to watch though. I'm kinda terrible at this. =B

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:22 PM

 

I've been trying to get into both Arrested Development and Parks and Recreation since it seems like everyone loves them, but I honestly don't see the appeal. :s 

 

 

I don't think we can be friends.

 

 

Word. That's blasphemy.

(just kidding- we can still be friends, but I'll hold this against you forever)

 

Come on, Jasi, we put up with you saying that Firefly is bad. :o

 

 

 

I don't really watch much TV, because it's hard for me to sit and passively focus on one thing for hours at a time (which is why gaming tends to be my preferred form of media -- since I'm actively doing something). I have to be really passionate about a series to stay tuned in. So I only have a couple modern series that I've been loyal to. Otherwise, I watch a lot of old series.

 

 

* Game of Thrones

* Legend of Korra

* Welcome to Sweden (watching it because of family reasons, but I feel kinda so-so about it -- and I highly doubt non-Scandinavians find it funny)

 

* Twin Peaks (one of my favorites of all time -- I occasionally rewatch)

* Star Trek: TNG (same)

* Batman TAS (yeaaaah!)

 

 

I also rewatched Reboot a while back. First 3D series, right outta Vancouver! The first season is ehhhh but S2 onward is actually really great -- especially viewed through adult eyes, because you realize just how much shit they got through the censors. Got surprisingly dark and epic as it progressed, and it masterfully poked fun at pop culture. To the point where it stopped being just a joke and helped fuel the plot.

Firefly IS bad.

 

Batman TAS is one of the greatest shows that I have ever seen. I could go on and on...

 

I'm well into the second season Megan. I mean it's not totally horrible, it's watchable when I don't have anything else to do (it's usually what I watch while I'm on the potty lol), I'm just saying I don't really see the reason for the huge following it seems to have. A lot of the jokes just seem really forced or unfunny or totally predictable.

Archer doesn't seem at all comparable to me. Just that the lady that plays Lucille voices Archer's mom.

 

Really? What about the other AD cast members that have made guest appearances on Archer? Jeffery Tambor? David Cross?

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