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[Selena]

Alas, a surprise clip episode.

 

The creators gave an explanation for it, though. Nick slashed their budget at the last minute, so it was either make a clip show or fire some of their staff --- and they didn't want to let anyone go. So good on them for that. For a clip show, it wasn't that bad. The villain conference call was cute.

[SteveT]

Clip show?  Bah!  Is there any point in watching it?  Any new information?

[Selena]

Not really, but it has lots of humorous moments. Everyone insults Mako over his love triangle arc, and there's funny-ridiculous segment with all the show's villains. So it can be ignored.

[Egann]

As per usual, Bolin and Varrick are the ones to watch, because like Lena said, the villainous square is actually pretty funny.

 

If it wasn't official before, this episode officially makes Korra into an American Anime. No, seriously. There are CHIBI CHARACTER TALKING HEADS. I was really hoping at the start we would get a Wu character growth episode, as you can, in fact, do that, but I guess they assumed a large portion of the audience would skip the clip-show. They probably guessed right: I didn't have bandwidth problems watching it Friday morning, which is very unusual. I typically have to wait until night.

 

Sigh. At least as far as clip episodes go this one does a respectable job. It's just a shame it isn't as good this week as the rest of my weekend anime roster.

Edited by Egann, 22 November 2014 - 01:02 PM.

[Selena]

One point of confusion was that in the previous episode, the four of them all arrived at Asami's estate somewhere outside of Republic City. During the clip show, the boys are still there. But Korra and Asami are suddenly on Air Temple Island with Tenzin! I wonder if that will still be true in the next episode, or -- if they did indeed expect people to skip the clip show -- they'll just smudge over that somehow. 

 

They may have intended to do something else with this episode that would have naturally separated the pairs. But with Nick slashing the budget, they just didn't have the resources. So, surprise clip show to fill the episode slot. 

 

Korra and Asami's voice actresses were apparently in the studio just the other day to record some new lines. So while most of Book 4 was already done before Nick yanked Korra off the air, production is still very fluid and spontaneous. The crew has more or less had to adapt to whatever new situation Nick throws at them. 

 

I admire the crew's patience and dedication, if nothing else.

[Veteran]

Having just recently binge-watched Avatar and now Korra I have to say I find Books 3 and 4 of Korra to be very frustrating.

How can you go from an end-of-the-world situation in Book 2 to a random flying mook wanting to kill the Avatar in 3? Why would anyone want her dead when it's possible for Johnny Waterbender to fuse with the spirit of all evil and destroy the planet? Urgh.

I guess with that frustration I wanted Korra to turn into the bad guy eventually. Vaatu should technically be back inside Raava right? All these unappreciative idiots should be wary of Korra stripping them of their bending about now. It's the first thing she should've done after her chat with Zaheer this week.

[Selena]

 

 Vaatu should technically be back inside Raava right?

 

 

 

Creators confirmed that yes, Vaatu is inside the Avatar now. But they decided not to do anything with Korra having darkness inside her (alas). On the grounds that it takes centuries for Vaatu to recover.

 

 

How can you go from an end-of-the-world situation in Book 2 to a random flying mook wanting to kill the Avatar in 3?

 

Yeaaah, Korra's overall plot structure is weird. 

 

Namely because it's hard to swallow Korra having trouble beating human benders after having defeated the supreme evil in the whole world. I think the Zaheer plot would have been better as the second season. Vaatu should have come last -- not only would it have upped the stakes, but it would have been good for Korra's personal arc too.

 

Her arc is mostly about starting as Supergirl, then she gets battered and scarred and made to feel useless, and then she has to learn to recover. So dealing with Amon and Zaheer and Kuvira would have broken her. Then, just when the world thought she was useless and irrelevant, she would fully recover in order to save the world from Vaatu -- a threat that can only be defeated by a full-powered Avatar.

 

Korra's plot structure is like weird sex -- climaxes when you least suspect them, and no climaxes when you want them.

 

 

 

(although the fight with Zaheer was amazing in terms of choreography and action)

[Egann]

I think we can all agree that the downside of the Villain-of-the-Season approach is that it quickly gasses out when the villains can no longer pose a bigger threat than the rest of them. That said, I see the whole of Korra being a slow decline.

 

1. Amon may not have (technically) been the highest stakes villain for the universe, but he was the highest stakes for Korra personally. He also had the best motivations. Even with the love-triangle, season one is Korra's best season. There were very few weak episodes in it, and everything was well performed an executed. It's just the love-triangle was a bit distracting. That's really the kind of thing which needs to bubble in the background for a few seasons.

 

2. Unalaq was the first season to really show mechanical faults. The beginning was weak, some of the episodes in the middle were weak, and it ended with a Deus Ex Machina. Had it not been for the ending being amazing and some really strong episodes aside, this season would have been outright bad. As is, I'm torn. Several season 2 episodes are better than anything in season 1, and I used to think that made season 2 the better season. Not anymore.

 

3. Zaheer was the first grasping at straws to fill in a villain season. As with season 2, some of the episodes were iffy to outright boring, but worse; it was padded at the beginning to prevent starting the climax too early. I could have believed Zaheer was a credible villain and follow-up to Unalaq if he had more of a character connection to Korra the way Amon's spirit-bending did, but instead of doing character development the season was padded. At least the love triangle was fixed and the fights were very, very good.

 

4. Kuvira. I've made my opinion on Kuvi-chan quite clear; she reflects the Korra so far back in the series that it feels off to compare them. This probably could have been fixed by reordering this season's events so we don't find out about reeducation camps until AFTER Korra fights her. Add in filler episodes and a clear shoestring budget and you have season 4. At least they probably didn't skimp out on the climax, which should be good.

 

 

So yeah, consistent decline across the seasons. This is not a pattern I like to see.

[SteveT]

Wow, I could not have been less satisfied with the Zaheer scene.  It played out like a conversation among the writers about how they could convince Zaheer to help, and then he didn't even do all that much.

 

He also neglected to mention Guru Laghima.  He was an airbender.  You've probably never heard of him.

 

EDIT:  And Egann, you have a much higher opinion of Season 2 than I do.  I would rank the seasons as follows:

 

Season 1: Pretty good.

Season 2: Ridiculously bad.

Season 3: Surprisingly good.  (Probably my favorite, pending a rewatch of Book 1.)

Season 4: Meh.

Edited by SteveT, 01 December 2014 - 12:51 PM.

[SteveT]

Book 4 what happened.  Every episode since Bolin and Varrick's great escape has been worse than the last.

[Egann]

I saw the title and immediately knew this episode was going to be a doozy, but WOW. This episode was exceptionally painful to watch.

 

It's clear whoever did the writing for this episode has no sense of character. With a very few exceptions, every last line in the episode could have been said by Korra, or the speaker could have been swapped to another character in the room. This is an important tipping point because character has lost all form of agency; rather than the characters moving the plot forward, the plot is driving the characters.

 

And my goodness do the characters want to go along with the plot, what with these badly thought out plans. Its kinda out of character for Asami and Mako to put up with not thinking this stuff through, and it is VERY out of character for Tenzin to think kidnapping is a good idea.

 

Spoiler

The climax is TOTALLY NOT going to be a half-assed encore of Season 2. I double dog dare you to prove me wrong.

 

 

RAAAHHH!!!!

[Selena]

Apparently the writers heard all the Pacific Rim "Kaiju Korra" jokes after the S2 finale and thought: "BRiLLIANT. WE'LL MAKE A JAEGER FOR HER TO FIGHT! :D"

 

 

The imminent return of Korra's Spirit Boob Canon?

[Jasi]

alternate credits music for s04e11

 

Edited by Jasi, 15 December 2014 - 09:56 PM.

[Selena]

Well

 

The story itself wasn't all that great (though there were a few cool moments). But it was a banner day for Korra/Asami fans. Surprised they went with that ending, but pleasantly surprised from a representation standpoint. The "just good friends" approach was somewhat dismissed by one member of the Legend of Korra staff, who said that a romance was "implied with a sledgehammer" and just as obvious-but-vague as Jet's offscreen death. Nick may have said "no way" to anything other than subtext.

 

And Varrick. What a softy.

[SteveT]

UPDATE: This post is bad and I feel bad.  I'd delete it or pare it down, but that would be dumb because it became part of a discussion.

 

Haven't watched it. Knee-jerk reaction ahead.

Ah, they got off the fence about that, eh? I'm a little torn.  On some level, I think it reinforces certain stereotypes. I am not well-versed in talking about LBGT stereotypes without using potentially offensive terms, so feel free to take this opportunity to educate me and I'll fix it on the edit.

1. So Korra saves the world and gets the girl? That's basically the writers admitting they can't conceive of how to handle a female protagonist.

2. Asami, I think we can agree, is a girl who goes out of her way to make herself pretty. She has a strong sense of fashion, uses a lot of make-up, all the dudes want her, etc. Making her gay pretty much pigeon-holes her into the "lipstick lesbian" stereotype. It's worse, because her personality has been so poorly defined. She doesn't get a lot of scenes and her character development is more about her skills and what she brings to the table in action sequences (Mako has the same problem). Other than that, we basically know that she's got issues with her dad because of how he ran their business and she's into Korra. So on top of becoming a stereotype, she's also hitting the storytelling stereotype of a shallow love interest.

3. Meanwhile, Korra. I remember watching the first episode, and there was a little fear that they would make her gay. She's a brash misfit of a woman with big beefy arms who gets in a lot of fights and clashes with all the authority around her. In a word, "butch" In some sense, it would have been more progressive to keep her straight.

So it ends up being an example of the butch/lipstick stereotype pairing with a shallow love interest and awkward handling of a female hero. Am I saying that Korra being bi-sexual is a bad thing? No. I'm saying they picked a cowardly handling of the issue, like they always do on this show. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they took the route of, "Doesn't conform to gender roles, therefore gay," and that bothers me.
 
EDIT: Writing that bit about Asami made me realize what a bullshit stereotype lipstick lesbian is.  It basically amounts to, "Straight guys wish they had a chance."

Edited by SteveT, 27 February 2015 - 11:21 AM.

[Fin]

So full disclosure before I start this, I haven't even started watching Korra yet, so I can't really say anything too specific about your points here. I'd just like to say that I don't really get your first point? I mean, there can be sometimes be good criticisms to be made about writers handling a female protagonist exactly the way they write a male one, but broadly speaking I really don't see much of a problem with it (hell Ellen Ripley and femShepard are generally regarded as great characters and that's exactly how they were written). Unless you've got some more nuanced criticisms to make about this case I can't really see an issue. I mean, if you have problems with the stereotypical action hero protag I'm probably on board, but if that is the case it seems like you're saying those problems only matter if the character is a woman?

Also I really hate the "man with boobs" phrasing. There are actual men with boobs and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't casually ignore their existence while still sticking the T on the end of LGBT.

[SteveT]

I mean, there can be sometimes be good criticisms to be made about writers handling a female protagonist exactly the way they write a male one, but broadly speaking I really don't see much of a problem with it (hell Ellen Ripley and femShepard are generally regarded as great characters and that's exactly how they were written)

 

Yeah, I think those are both examples of making a character work for either gender.  femShep in particular is just a case of switching the voice actor and toggling romantic options.  Still a little problematic, because they didn't add a gay option for broShep until the third game (presumably because they felt their audience is more comfortable with lesbians, which probably true and is its own cultural bag of worms).

 

 

 

 

Unless you've got some more nuanced criticisms to make about this case I can't really see an issue. I mean, if you have problems with the stereotypical action hero protag I'm probably on board, but if that is the case it seems like you're saying those problems only matter if the character is a woman?

 

Really, that one sentence summary is all I really have on that one.  I would certainly roll my eyes at a male/female endgame pairing if it was handled as poorly as it was with this show.

 

 

 

Also I really hate the "man with boobs" phrasing. There are actual men with boobs and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't casually ignore their existence while still sticking the T on the end of LGBT. 

 

Thanks for calling me out.  Here comes the first content edit.  What I was trying to say is that they applied traditionally male storytelling tropes to a female-sex, female-gender character without even making superficial storytelling adjustments.  And I suppose that's not a completely fair statement, because they had an awful straight love triangle with her in the first season.

Edited by SteveT, 19 December 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[Fin]

Fair enough. Like I said, can't really get into anything more specific until I actually see the show XD Thanks for hearing me out in spite of that.

[Selena]

The relationship status at the end is vague. They don't kiss or do anything obvious, but it's pretty clear that they have more-than-platonic feelings for each other. They left it up for debate if the two eventually get together officially. If one were male, nobody would doubt the romantic nature of their scene. It's not a cliche romance movie ending. Thank god. I actually preferred this ending to a cliche romance (of any kind). It's a new beginning rather than a happy ever after.

 

 

As for their stereotypes, neither Korra or Asami fall into the butch/lesbian stereotype. A "stereotypical" butch in media is broody and macho and masculine. Korra only looks "butch" because she's buff. Her personality is very emotional -- prone to girlish crushes and mood swings and other traits associated with women. She's wonderful with kids. She likes to fight, but her personality is very feminine other than that.

 

Likewise, the lipstick lesbian stereotype is probably even more feminine than straight girls. Asami is pretty and likes clothes, but she's an engineer. She invents things. She's mechanical. She races cars. She changes motor oil. She isn't very emotional. No major outbursts without good cause, and she seldom talks about her issues unless prompted. Engineer/mechanic is a very traditionally masculine stereotype, and most lipsticks in media aren't depicted as being mechanically inclined.

 

 

So, as far as cliches go, no -- they both subvert those stereotypes. 

[SteveT]

Well, on the bright side, I have no doubt that I will 100% stop caring about about this topic when I see the awfulness that is no doubt the writing of the finale.

UPDATE: That prediction came true.

Edited by SteveT, 27 February 2015 - 11:24 AM.

[Egann]

On the upside, they proved me wrong. There wasn't a Korra-Kaiju-Klimax and, as far as season ending climaxes go that was...OK. Not great, not terrible. OK. Now comes the downside; the ending of Korra as a whole.

 

So basically we get to ignore the fact that Asami is one of the most useless characters in the history of ever because lesbians.

 

*breathes into a paper bag*

 

 

 

Being a lesbian does not justify being a weak character. Asami had an interesting array of talents between driving and fighting and business politics, but it never actually got used in any of the conflict resolution. That was almost entirely done by the benders. Asami's purpose in team avatar was basically to stand around, say a few lines anyone else could, and look good, which makes her the best TROPHY WIFE in the history of ever. The lesbian twist covers for what is otherwise a tepid ending. She's the trophy wife for...another woman! DUM DUM DAAAA!

 

I disagree with Steve: I don't think this is quite a case of them not knowing how to handle a female protagonist as they did Korra quite well early on. I do think, however, that this is a coda tacked on to pretend Korra is more progressive than it really is. It's about giving the Korra franchise cult notoriety which it really doesn't deserve. It didn't foreshadow this in any meaningful way that I picked up.

 

Look, if you want to see the ending with lesbians thing done right...watch Madoka Magicka.

[Twinrova]

 

 female-sex, female-gender character 

 

Just wanted to pop in and say if you're wanting an easier way to word that, you can say "cisgendered female". The "cis" means the person identifies with the gender they were assigned at birth. :3

[Selena]

 

So basically we get to ignore the fact that Asami is one of the most useless characters in the history of ever because lesbians.

 

 

 

 

 

Who said that the pairing somehow made up for Asami's lack of development?

 

Asami and Bolin were both horrifically under-developed, as were many supporting characters (too many of them). That said, a lot of people do like both those characters. I related more to Asami than any other character, despite her minimal story presence. Which is why her lack of screentime is disappointing.

 

 

 

The reason they likely went for the vague Korra/Asami ending is because it's phenomenally popular with the fanbase -- even moreso than the straight pairings. Which is a surprising change from the norm.

[Twinrova]

Ok I just watched it and wow Korrasami was not subtle at all rofl

[Egann]

 

 

So basically we get to ignore the fact that Asami is one of the most useless characters in the history of ever because lesbians.

 

 

 

 

 

Who said that the pairing somehow made up for Asami's lack of development?

 

Asami and Bolin were both horrifically under-developed, as were many supporting characters (too many of them). That said, a lot of people do like both those characters. I related more to Asami than any other character, despite her minimal story presence. Which is why her lack of screentime is disappointing.

 

 

 

The reason they likely went for the vague Korra/Asami ending is because it's phenomenally popular with the fanbase -- even moreso than the straight pairings. Which is a surprising change from the norm.

 

 

My basic point is that Asami's ending will color any rewatches of the series in the future. If you know it is her destiny to become Korra's love interest at the end, that will seem to justify her being a wall flower. Considering the action sequences on their own merits, Asami doesn't belong in Team Avatar at all. And how is Bolin underdeveloped? Bolin has *way* more character development, between the time with his family and as a mover star. Granted, you could pretty much point a finger at any of the characters and say they're underdeveloped...

 

This is a complete tangent, but it feels like bending had some power creep go on between ATLA and Korra. HOWEVER, he bender powers really aren't that different. ATLA concluded with Sokka AND Suki kicking ass, so as bizarre as it sounds...I think what actually happened is non-benders got nerfed.

[SteveT]

Also just watched it.  I'm with Egann--Bolin got plenty of development, and more than most characters.  He was, however, robbed of having any big moment in the finale and was never acknowledged as being one of the top living benders.
 

This is a complete tangent, but it feels like bending had some power creep go on between ATLA and Korra. HOWEVER, he bender powers really aren't that different. ATLA concluded with Sokka AND Suki kicking ass, so as bizarre as it sounds...I think what actually happened is non-benders got nerfed.

 
What's really weird about that is even while non-benders did become relatively less powerful than benders between series, the bending we saw on Korra was always less powerful than what you'd see on TLA.  Consider scenes like Aang stopping a volcano or Katara freezing rain in mid-air.  And this leads to one of the main reasons I like Aang's story better than Korra's: The whole thing just felt more mythic. 
 
Anyway, as expected, after seeing the finale I no longer give any shits about social implications of Korrasami blah blah blah.  I didn't care that much to begin with and any trepidation has been both rejected by other people in this thread and completely overshadowed by my hatred of bullshit giant mechs that don't belong in this setting.
 
Things I did like:
 
- Korra using compassion to solve a problem
- The last few minutes, starting with Korra's conversation with Tenzin.

Edited by SteveT, 27 February 2015 - 11:24 AM.

[Masamune]

On the subject of non-benders, we really didn't have any non-bender warriors. We had Asami, who had been training in self defense, but it was clear her preferred go-to move was her lightning gauntlets or a mech suit. We never really had anyone show up like Piandao who was a weapons master who could take on any bender if he wanted to. Season One came closest with the chi blockers, who were admittedly skilled enough to take on any bender.

 

Bolin got some epic moments, though. He saved everyone from getting crushed in the opening of the two-parter, plus how cool was him turning lava bending into a lava DISC!? 

 

Anyway ultimately I enjoyed the finale. I groaned when I saw the giant robot at first, but it made for a pretty compelling piece of teamwork and ingenuity for the ending, even if the amount of destruction seemed over the top. I think the biggest downfall was seeing how much effect ice and water had on the robot and realizing that somehow Korra was the only waterbender in this attack squad. Really should have had Kya there, especially since her two brothers were present. 

[Selena]

I suppose that's true of Bolin, especially in this book -- maybe it just feels that way because while things happened to him this time around, his actual personality never changed much. Asami, yes, is the most underdeveloped main character. Lots of the supporting characters (Beifongs) get more attention than Asami.
 

 

My basic point is that Asami's ending will color any rewatches of the series in the future. If you know it is her destiny to become Korra's love interest at the end, that will seem to justify her being a wall flower.

 
However, this interpretation I completely disagree with. Even if Asami is a flat character (which she is), to say that her only destiny on the show is to become the love interest is absurd and insulting. Asami is underdeveloped -- but not a dependent trophy wife. She's a smart, independent character. She has limited scenes, but she doesn't just sit there and look pretty. When treated badly, she asserts herself. She doesn't need anyone else. She has her own things going on, and she successfully remained unattached for more than half the show. Her story arc, while limited, in no way fits the "designated romance" trope. 
 
There's was no cliche getting-together-for-good moment at the end. Korra and Asami are at that stage right before either party admits their feelings -- when you're still really good friends and probably want to be more, but haven't made that final jump. Their friendship has been built up slowly through the course of the entire series. A stark contrast to Korra and Mako's instantaneous "I really like you and I think we're meant to be together." Did Asami deserve more scenes? Heck yeah. But to say that Asami's just a trophy wife is, frankly, a big pile of bull.

 

I think that's one of the more realistic relationships on the show, purely because they spend time as friends first -- if Korra and Mako had actually built up rapport for a while before diving into "true loveeeee" then that relationship would have been way more palatable. 

 

 

 

They had actually intended to write Asami off the show after Book 1. Which is probably why they didn't know what to do with her after that.

 

She was originally meant to be an Equalist agent. She was supposed to flirt with Mako purely to get close to the team -- and by extension, Korra. She was going to help Amon try to defeat the Avatar. After which, she'd disappear from the series -- going to jail with Hiroshi. But the writers decided that it was kind of cliche to make the "rival female" into an actual enemy.

 

I would have liked to see Equalist Asami, but only if she redeemed herself and joined the team at the end of Book 1. Oddly, I think Equalist Asami would have been even more independent than canon!Asami. Because then she would have joined without any emotional baggage attached, and no one would have seen her as "the girlfriend." And if they'd made Asami a chi-blocker -- like an older femme fatale version of Ty Lee -- she could have gotten more use.

 

Alas.

 

This is a complete tangent, but it feels like bending had some power creep go on between ATLA and Korra. HOWEVER, he bender powers really aren't that different. ATLA concluded with Sokka AND Suki kicking ass, so as bizarre as it sounds...I think what actually happened is non-benders got nerfed.

 

I think it's a little bit of both. There are way more specialized benders in LoK -- especially lightningbending, which was previously considered an immensely dangerous art that only certain people could master.

 

To a degree, bending getting "more powerful" makes some sense. Bending isn't an RPG spell tree where you unlock more talents and subskills as you get stronger. Bending is fluid. Inventing a sub-skill of bending is largely dependent on ingenuity rather than raw power. Toph invents metalbending because she could -- in her blindness -- see things that others would typically miss. In the comics that take place after ATLA, she opens a metalbending school. So even lesser mooks can learn to do it. What is "special" in ATLA naturally becomes more common by the time of Korra.

 

But non-benders definitely took a hit. Which isn't to say that benders didn't take precedence in ATLA -- Sokka had fewer big action scenes than all the others. But between Sokka, Ty Lee, and the Kyoshi Warriors, they got a fair number of shining moments throughout the series. In Korra, they just dropped off the radar. Asami could have been cool, but was underutilized. 

 

 

What's really weird about that is even while non-benders did become relatively less powerful than benders between series, the bending we saw on Korra was always less powerful than what you'd see on TLA.  Consider scenes like Aang stopping a volcano or Korra freezing rain in mid-air.  

 

And yes, that's what especially weird. Everything seemed like it was more of a struggle than it should have been. Korra was supposedly a better bender than Aang (due to age and eagerness to fight), but she gets defeated left and right. Bad stuff happened to Aang too, and he didn't really throw down until about Book 3, but it felt like he had way more victories along the way. Where Korra -- despite all her power -- felt like she lost most of her important fights. And any big victories came with at least some kind of loss. Even Mako and Bolin's bending was kind of ho-hum.

 

Which is doubly sad, given how much older these characters were than the team in ATLA. 

 

At first I attributed Korra's failings to her relationship with Mako -- they liked to have Mako rush in and "save his lady love" in true melodramatic fashion, so Korra would accordingly fail at something to allow that. After that? I don't know. It felt like she was unnecessarily struggling the whole time. Which, given the scenes where she does throw down, makes no sense. Because when Korra's at the top of her game, she does tend to outshine Aang. Both in and out of the Avatar State.

 

The writers usually make really good female characters, but they'd never done a female lead before. Maybe they had some awkwardness there? I don't know. But for how powerful she actually is, Korra was kind of shit on. That bothered me a lot throughout the series.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, final review of show: Lots of good themes and ideas, but all awkwardly and messily executed.

[SteveT]

I have to agree with Selena on the trophy wife thing.  Asami has a lot going on off-screen.  She's a highly capable engineer who took over her father's super-science company.  She does a lot more than sit around waiting for Korra to notice her.

 

But, final review of show: Lots of good themes and ideas, but all awkwardly and messily executed.

 

Pretty much how I feel.  The odd-numbered seasons were largely good, but the even-numbers just could not figure out how to do what they wanted to do.

Edited by SteveT, 20 December 2014 - 12:23 PM.

[Veteran]

I couldn't care less about any lesbian undertones. What I did care about was:

Kuvira - "The Avatar has more power than I can possibly comprehend. I surrender."

Yeah, no shit. Were you asleep when A GIANT FUCKING SPIRIT DEMON TRIED TO END THE WORLD?!

Urgh. Just, urgh. This is Zaheer level of stupidity. No, it's higher since Kuvira was around to witness Zaheer's stupidity.





Fire Lord Ozai. You were badly misrepresented. Clearly this world was meant to be ruled by one such as you. That bald runt truely did fuck everything up.