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[Selena]

Well, it's Catwoman. The catburglar. She probably stole it. And if the anti-rich folk sentiment and scenes of a very nice place getting raided is any indication, then it could be her spoils of war from a criminal operation against the Wayne family. At least, I hope that's the situation. Catwoman has always played an important role in the mythos, probably because she and Bruce are often portrayed as two sides of the same coin. It's just a little late in the Nolan franchise to reasonably make her a well-written, deep love interest. If they wanted to do that, she should have played a role in things from the start to build up history and chemistry.


I'm intrigued by the whole thing, though I've never been into the Nolan movies as much as most people are, for a variety of reasons. So... interested, but not jizzing myself. Everything seems to point to them going in the spine-cracking direction to end the current series without question, though it's entirely possible they'll use that buildup as a red herring and then do something completely different.

Bane seems well enough, though I'm not quite feeling Anne as Catwoman yet. She good looking, of course, but I don't know if she has that dark, dangerous edge that has often defined the character. Doesn't really look like she can throw much of a punch. The Adam West-era Catwoman costume seemed a bit jarring, too, given the modern look that dominates the rest of the series. But maybe it's something that only comes together in the final cut.

[J-Roc]

I am incredibly curious to see if this is going to lead into the Batman Begins franchise. I heard, even before the Dark Knight came out, that the third film would be the final film in the installment. That was either a lucky guess or well informed, but this same person went on to say that Bane will snap Batman's spine in half and we will get a number of Batman Beyond movies, perhaps not under Christopher Nolan.

Personally I'd prefer to see Nolan do his own thing. If this ends up being merely a stand-alone franchise that ends with Batman just retiring or something, that's going to suck. However if he can find a way to wrap it up and just keep the three films as their own universe in a plausible fashion, that would be incredible too. That poster sure seems telling though, how else can the Legend End except for him to be forced to retire. DJ has it, Knightfall has it. If it turns out that Bruce Wayne just decides to quit everyone will say the first and second were great but the third was a let down. I honestly can't see why else Bane would be in this movie but to allow them to continue the story into Batman Beyond. If that is the case, dibs Clint Eastwood as a pissed off Bruce Wayne crippled and yelling crap.

However, it looks like some indication is that Bane will not be as powerful physically as he was in the comics, swapping that instead for the intelligence. Ed Hardy is good to play him, I've enjoyed his body of work thus far and find him to be growing on me as an actor. Bottom line being, everything preceding this sentence is probably horseshit. Just plausible horseshit.

[TheAvengerLever]

So that new trailer is pretty boss, guys.

[J-Roc]

Jeez, Button, I actually had to go grab the link off of YouTube and post it here.

Also, Batplane

[TheAvengerLever]

Sorry, I'm lazy. I just assumed that since the trailer was literally everywhere I wouldn't have to put it here.

[DarkJuno]

So yeah, pretty much confirms it's a version of Knightfall. Looks good, though it doesn't really show anything new. Maybe I'm just too deep into thinking about The Avengers this week to mull it over it anymore, I'll look at it again later.

[TheAvengerLever]

^ And No Man's Land, and some elements of The Dark Knight Returns.

[DarkJuno]

I still think the No Man's Land is just the collapsing field playing tricks on my mind sicne I got that feeling too. But I doubt Gotham will have a terrible earthquake on top of all the chaos.

[TheAvengerLever]

Not just the earthquake. In the trailer the bridges to Gotham are blown, echoing the same event from No Man's Land. It seems Gotham will be completely cut off.

And about the whole Dark Knight Returns thing, TDKR is (possible spoiler discussion, but it's just speculation. On the off chance this could be a spoiler I'm putting it in tags)

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set eight years after TDK, presumably, judging by the latest viral marketing, Batman hasn't shown himself during that time period, echoing the Dark Knight Returns, where the Batman's last appearance was ten years before the graphic novel begins. It seems Bruce is going to be very worn down from the events of The Dark Knight

[J-Roc]

I still think the No Man's Land is just the collapsing field playing tricks on my mind sicne I got that feeling too. But I doubt Gotham will have a terrible earthquake on top of all the chaos.

So what do you figure all of that "earth falling in on itself at the football game" nonsense to be?

[Sir Deimos]

It struck me as a terrorist attack. It was too precise. Iunno.

[Crimson Lego]

I loved that part, for personal and football-team-related reasons.

[DarkJuno]

Yeah, it looked more like Bane blew up the supports underneath the field then a cataclysmic earthquake that'll cause the United States to abandon Gotham. Certainly sends a message, but not quite the same.

[Crimson Lego]

53 days until this comes out in the UK, US, and Canada!


Also, does anybody know the name of the song in Trailer #3 DJ posted or if it's on Youtube already?

[J-Roc]

The closer we get to this, and with the number of extremely odd questions posed in this thread I'm beginning to wonder.... Are we in for something completely out of the blue and unexpected? Nolan is an established director, he could lay a turd here and walk away a champ; why not take the risk?

[Crimson Lego]

I'm not sure what the worst he could do would be, there's a lot of good potential endings for this movie. Me personally, I'm hoping that either:

1. Batman dies and they do a whole statue of honour thing in his name.
2. He survives and actually gets official recognition for what he's done. And then people, inspired by his actions, will start protecting themselves so Bruce Wayne can live happily ever after with Marion Cotillard or whoever he's in love with now.


Apparently, Hans Zimmer's soundtrack is now on the Internet; here's a little article talking about each one (I don't think it gives it away any spoilers).


http://www.mtv.com/n...oundtrack.jhtml

[Stew]

Batman can never die. And he can never stop being batman. Batman becomes who he is, and all he knows.


By the sounds of it, he's been "retired" as batman for 10 years in this movie. Hopefully we see some elements of The Dark Knight Returns on the screen, because that is the greatest graphic novel ever made.

[Sir Deimos]

It certainly was very good. I don't know about best. XD

If they did the internal monologue thing from The Dark Knight Returns I see it getting old.

[Stew]

It certainly was very good. I don't know about best. XD

If they did the internal monologue thing from The Dark Knight Returns I see it getting old.

Well, yeah. That would change the style of the movies entirely. I also don't think he's going to

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kill The Joker

or

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beat the living jesus out of Superman

But maybe things like his encounters all over Gotham City when he first returns. The veteran cop telling the rookie about "the old days" while they happen on the scene where Batman is taking out a criminal. Or Bruce Wayne never getting out of the swing of things as Batman, returning to it naturally.


And it was the best. These things just aren't subjective.

[Sir Deimos]

To be honest, when Batman returns to fighting crime, I'll be disappointed if they DON'T throw in little homages like that.

The Dark Knight Returns may be the best Batman story I've read so far. But I've only started buying comics rather recently.

Even then. I can't actually say it's the best Batman story. Miller also wrote Year One, which was just superb. There's just too much Batman out there that is really good. Hush, for instance.

[Sir Deimos]

DOUBLE POST OF JUSTICE OH GOD I LOVED IT SO MUCH.

[Crimson Lego]

Going to see it tomorrow!





Organic chemistry test on Monday? What are you talking about?

[Selena]

I caught a showing after work this afternoon.


It is my favorite of the Nolan movies, I think. I'll have a longer review later.

[JRPomazon]

I liked it, it was a fitting conclusion to the trilogy although it wasn't as good as The Dark Knight in my opinion. I rather liked how the homages to No Man's Land during the later parts of the movie as well, really dire situations and what not.

Dark Knight might be my favored movie but Rises really brings everything together again in a way the Dark Knight couldn't. When the second movie came out, it was going in a completely different direction than the first movie in a lot of ways. Nolan used the third movie to sorta bring the story back to where it was going in the first one, which was good because it strengthened the trilogy as a whole. Although it makes the Dark Knight stand out as a black sheep in my opinion and makes it stand out in a way that might not always be good. I could go on about these kinds of things but I feel I've made this post long enough.

tl;dr
Movie was good. Go see it.

[DarkJuno]

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Well, my No Man's Land senses ended up not being completely off the mark after all.

Damn. Loved it absolutely and a completely and utterly fitting end to this version of Batman. I'll be the first to point out that I still vehemently disagree with all the people saying this is the definitive Batman, but that doesn't take away from how amazing it's been. I'll type more later since I just got back from the showing and haven't slept in three days with all the moving madness plus work, but suffice to say, excellent.

[arunma]

OK, I just saw this thing last night. Have to say that I was quite amazed at the satisfying conclusion they made to this Batman series. The movie did an excellent job of tying together elements of the first and second movie, and had a larger cast of "villians" without having any of the same difficulties as Spider-Man 3. Can't say much more without adding spoiler tags.

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The reason they were able to deal with Bane, Catwoman, and Talia Al Ghul is because Tailia didn't really reveal herself until the end (I totally saw that coming), and Catwoman took a back seat to Bane, the only real bad guy who got screen time. Focusing on him was definitely a smart move. I have to say I also enjoyed the end, in which Batman definitively retires from his role, yet leaves just enough hanging threads with the whole Nightwing thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they'll make a Nightwing movie (nor should they), but any good conclusion has to be a bit open ended.

[Sir Deimos]

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This is my fanboy talking, but I really didn't like the Robin nod. Blake made much more sense as Jean-Paul Valley's Azrael than Robin OR Nightwing
.. :/

[Selena]

Opinions:

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The first third of the film was a little on the slow side, but the last half brought it all together and took off at a gripping pace. I knew Marion's character would end up being Talia, but I wasn't sure how they were going to go about that, so the Bane-Talia switcharoo was actually a welcome surprise.

I am very pleased with how Catwoman was handled. I had my doubts about the general "look" of the character, since it felt almost too retro in pics, but it somehow worked when it was actually on screen. I'm very glad she wasn't just eye candy and had quite a bit of bite to her. Would have been nice to learn more about her history, but there wasn't any time for that. I think the presence of a smart-mouthed femme fatale helped the whole feel of the movie. I never liked Rachel.

...It's probably no coincidence that my favorite films in the Burton and Nolan series have Catwoman in them.

Slight lol moment during the criminal vs. cop battle at the end, though. "Well, we're all armed with long-range guns.... what sure our plan of attack be?" "RUN STRAIGHT AT THEM." "BRILLIANT."

Lots of little funny lines scattered around, which was welcomed.

As for "Robin," there was a lady in the front row of my theater who squealed loudly in happiness when they dropped the name. So I guess some people are fans! It makes sense they would throw that in there somehow. I wasn't too surprised. They kept mentioning how "anyone could be Batman," and I figured he was going to be the successor. The acrobat backstory is pretty camp by modern standards, and especially in that setting, so I'm also not surprised they diverted from the original mythos.

I have no idea how he lived at the end, apart from "he's the goddamn Batman," but I'm glad he found happiness. And I guess Letterman was wrong. Publicity stunt, perhaps? Or maybe he just read a synopsis.

Either way, I thought it was the best of the Nolan films. Getting rid of the Rachel angst helped, and the themes weren't quite as heavy-handed this time. They definitely did their own interpretation of the whole thing, and it worked for them. I'm glad they only homage'd certain things rather than do full adaptations or repetitions.

[Sir Deimos]

For those of us that are too lazy to look up ourselves,what was the Letterman spoiler..?

[Selena]

Spoiler

He said Bruce was dead at the end.