I know what you mean Mario Jr. The thing is though that Ganondorf is an incarnate force, he could be born in the Desert of Doubt and he could be born in Gerudo Valley, and still be the same person. The guy can be revived and rejuvenated over and over again, and I feel like I am beginning to repeat myself [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img]. As for FSA it doesn't even hint at Ganondorf being possessed by the Trident of Darkness and I have already put down the inscription of what the Trident was about in another thread we have on this board, but here goes again.
" Hm? That writing on those large rocks...It's in an ancient tounge...Let's see if I can read it. Seek...you...the world? Seek you...power? Does your soul...despise peace and thirst for..more? Does you soul...cry...for destruction and...conquest? We...grant you...power to..ruin the world. The power of darkness. Evil...spirit of magic trident. You are...the...King of Darkness. Evil spirit...Spirit of magic? Trident? This indentation is the shape of a weapon. Do you think the person who took this trident was...Ganondorf?!? The King of Darkness is not Vaati? Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now? Link! The situation is even more desperate then I believed! We must hurry! "
Now let's break this down so everyone can understand. If Ganon is the one inside the Trident like so many people claim, then why does the inscription state "WE" not "I", as in
Ganon is one being, not many. These beings have given Ganondorf the power to ruin the world, as he has gained a mighty weapon of darkness. The one who wields this weapon will become the King of Darkness, much like when Ganondorf gained the Triforce of Power he became the King of Evil. Also remember that the Zuna tribe stated that an evil race, a race we have yet to have seen created the Trident, and it seems like they placed thier spirits in the Trident. No where does it once state that Ganondorf got possessed, and Ganondorf was the one who got the Trident, the Shrine Maiden even stated so.
Still though I have a feeling that this is going to be discussed for awhile, that is why I personally e-mailed Nintendo of America, and copied and posted all of our posts and asked them what the difference is between Ganondorf and Ganon, or are they just one person. I should be recieving a post within the next twenty-four hours, and if a response from Nintendo of America isn't good enough, then we will e-mail Nintendo of Japan, and if that doesn't get the job done, let us try and strive the information out of Shigeru Miyamoto himself.
What was first... Ganon or Ganondorf ?
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Even if NoA answered your question, which they won't, their email responses aren't exactly a trustworthy source of information.
I don't like how so many are assuming that Ganon is now an evil force that is going around inhabiting bodies, any more then I like the idea of multiple Ganons. It dimishes his impact.
Now, that everyone has been presented with the ideas of why Ganondorf is still the same, what's the big fuss, now? It seems that many misinterpreted what it means for Ganondorf to be an incarnation of evil, and took it to mean that Ganon--at various points in time--is LITERALLY different. But that is NOT so, the original Ganondorf lives on as treacherous spirit inhabiting host bodies--and is still embedded with the same memories and desires. Many people hate FSA because they think it's trying to say that Ganon is literally different at various intervals...but that is not so. The reason I disliked FSA wasn't because I misinterpreted the game--I just didn't like it 'cuz it's a 2D game with a shallow story which was a quick, rushed, and easy buck to make. It's harder to move a story accordingly with games like those--which is why the storyline is of very little priority to Nintendo.
I don't like how so many are assuming that Ganon is now an evil force that is going around inhabiting bodies, any more then I like the idea of multiple Ganons. It dimishes his impact.
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I don't like how so many are assuming that Ganon is now an evil force that is going around inhabiting bodies, any more then I like the idea of multiple Ganons. It dimishes his impact.
Well, it's either that or it's multiple Ganons. Either point gives the best explanation of why Ganon is mentioned as being reincarnated in FSA and also why he needs to be incarnated in AoL/Oracles. At least with him inhabiting bodies gives us the best chance that it's the same Ganon. I mean, we had to accept the fact that there are so many Links/Zeldas, why is it hard to accept that there are either multiple Ganons or an evil spirit inhabiting various bodies.
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You are probably right lord-of-shadow that the NoA will not answer my question, but it does not hurt to try. Still I am only trying to gain as much support as I can, because I see that this is a more simplified question than what others are suggesting.
Tri-Enforcer Ganon was being resurrected in OoS/OoA, and they were trying to resurrect Ganon in the AoL, and resurrection is a different concept than re-incarnation.
If someone was to resurrect, then that must mean that they died and thus have been brought back to life in the same form that they died as. Think of Lazarus who was dead, but was resurrected, or Jesus who died on the cross and was resurrected. Take Superman too for example, he was killed by Doomsday, but he was resurrected still remembering who he was, and remaining the same age that he had died as.
Now as for re-incarnation, that is when you die and you are born again. Kaepora Gaebora was once an ancient sage, when he died as a sage he was incarnated into a life of an owl, unless he was an owl in his former life as well, which still makes no difference as sages have been gorons, zoras, and whatnot anyways, and it would explain why we so often see the owl in different timelines. Ganondorf as far as we know has already lived two lives, once in Gerudo Valley, and once in the Desert of Doubt, and both Gerudo Tribes think of Ganondorf differently with his different strategies. Let's take a look at what some of the gerudos thought of Ganondorf in the Desert of Doubt.
Gerudo: " Welcome. It's been a long time since we've seen any travelers here. This village is our home. We are the dwellers in the desert, the Gerudo tribe. The village is in a bit of an uproar contending with a man who broke our laws. We can't do much for you, but make yourself at home. "
Gerudo: " The Desert Temple was built to keep people away from the pyramid. None who enter the pyramid or the temple have ever returned. They are tombs. Yet the man has gone there by himself. All for the sake of his own mad desire! "
Gerudo: " Once every hundred years, a special child is born unto my people. The child is destined to be the mighty guardian of the Gerudo and the desert. But this child, its heart grew twisted with every passing year. The child became a man who hungered for power at any price. "
Gerudo: " The pyramid is sacred to our people. To have a criminal such as him enter...His presence stains its holy ground. "
Gerudo: " Tell me, travelers, what brings you to these boarderlands? Hmm...I see...You come on word of the maidens, eh? Yes, this Ganondorf you speak of is a member of the Gerudo. But his intent is unknown to me. He has flouted the law and fled for the pyramid. To reach the pyramid, one must first pass the trial of the Desert Temple. The villain Ganondorf will no doubt draw his last breath failing this trial. We've blocked the road to the desert to keep other fools from coming. But considering the crisis in Hyrule, we've no reason to stop you brave lads. "
Gerudo: " Curse that Ganondorf! He broke our laws and left for the pyramid...I do not know what he plans...but I am worried. "
So Ganondorf was raised in the Desert of Doubt, but when he grew older he decided that he would go the Pyramid and seek out the mighty weapon he had heard of in legends, and as you can tell the gerudos call him a criminal, a person who is mad, a person who is twisted, well you get the picture. This is one life that Ganondorf lived, whether it was the first or not, that is up to your own timeline theory.
The other mentionable time that Ganondorf was a gerudo and born of the desert, his tribe hailed him as thier King, and many went as far as to say that Ganondorf was like a god. In Gerudo Valley Ganondorf just had a different look on how to assess the situation. Instead of going and backstabbing his people, and breaking laws and stuff, Ganondorf just broke Hylain laws, overthrew the King, conquered the world for seven long years and made everyone suffer but his own people. The only one who did not trust Ganondorf was Nabooru, and she knew what kind of vile human being he was, but still all in all it is not a multiple Ganondorf theory were looking at, it is just Ganondorf being reborn over and over again.
I know I am going to be back here again, so I'll just have to think of some more reasons to support my idea.
Tri-Enforcer Ganon was being resurrected in OoS/OoA, and they were trying to resurrect Ganon in the AoL, and resurrection is a different concept than re-incarnation.
If someone was to resurrect, then that must mean that they died and thus have been brought back to life in the same form that they died as. Think of Lazarus who was dead, but was resurrected, or Jesus who died on the cross and was resurrected. Take Superman too for example, he was killed by Doomsday, but he was resurrected still remembering who he was, and remaining the same age that he had died as.
Now as for re-incarnation, that is when you die and you are born again. Kaepora Gaebora was once an ancient sage, when he died as a sage he was incarnated into a life of an owl, unless he was an owl in his former life as well, which still makes no difference as sages have been gorons, zoras, and whatnot anyways, and it would explain why we so often see the owl in different timelines. Ganondorf as far as we know has already lived two lives, once in Gerudo Valley, and once in the Desert of Doubt, and both Gerudo Tribes think of Ganondorf differently with his different strategies. Let's take a look at what some of the gerudos thought of Ganondorf in the Desert of Doubt.
Gerudo: " Welcome. It's been a long time since we've seen any travelers here. This village is our home. We are the dwellers in the desert, the Gerudo tribe. The village is in a bit of an uproar contending with a man who broke our laws. We can't do much for you, but make yourself at home. "
Gerudo: " The Desert Temple was built to keep people away from the pyramid. None who enter the pyramid or the temple have ever returned. They are tombs. Yet the man has gone there by himself. All for the sake of his own mad desire! "
Gerudo: " Once every hundred years, a special child is born unto my people. The child is destined to be the mighty guardian of the Gerudo and the desert. But this child, its heart grew twisted with every passing year. The child became a man who hungered for power at any price. "
Gerudo: " The pyramid is sacred to our people. To have a criminal such as him enter...His presence stains its holy ground. "
Gerudo: " Tell me, travelers, what brings you to these boarderlands? Hmm...I see...You come on word of the maidens, eh? Yes, this Ganondorf you speak of is a member of the Gerudo. But his intent is unknown to me. He has flouted the law and fled for the pyramid. To reach the pyramid, one must first pass the trial of the Desert Temple. The villain Ganondorf will no doubt draw his last breath failing this trial. We've blocked the road to the desert to keep other fools from coming. But considering the crisis in Hyrule, we've no reason to stop you brave lads. "
Gerudo: " Curse that Ganondorf! He broke our laws and left for the pyramid...I do not know what he plans...but I am worried. "
So Ganondorf was raised in the Desert of Doubt, but when he grew older he decided that he would go the Pyramid and seek out the mighty weapon he had heard of in legends, and as you can tell the gerudos call him a criminal, a person who is mad, a person who is twisted, well you get the picture. This is one life that Ganondorf lived, whether it was the first or not, that is up to your own timeline theory.
The other mentionable time that Ganondorf was a gerudo and born of the desert, his tribe hailed him as thier King, and many went as far as to say that Ganondorf was like a god. In Gerudo Valley Ganondorf just had a different look on how to assess the situation. Instead of going and backstabbing his people, and breaking laws and stuff, Ganondorf just broke Hylain laws, overthrew the King, conquered the world for seven long years and made everyone suffer but his own people. The only one who did not trust Ganondorf was Nabooru, and she knew what kind of vile human being he was, but still all in all it is not a multiple Ganondorf theory were looking at, it is just Ganondorf being reborn over and over again.
I know I am going to be back here again, so I'll just have to think of some more reasons to support my idea.
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I mean, we had to accept the fact that there are so many Links/Zeldas, why is it hard to accept that there are either multiple Ganons or an evil spirit inhabiting various bodies.
With multiple Links/Zeldas and one Ganon, you have a big story about the same evil spanning a huge timeframe and multiple games.
With multiple Ganons, it just turns into a repeating scenario.
That is why I hate FSA
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Just so you know...I do not adhere to multiple Ganons--as in they're all different--I don't believe in that.With multiple Links/Zeldas and one Ganon, you have a big story about the same evil spanning a huge timeframe and multiple games.
With multiple Ganons, it just turns into a repeating scenario.
That is why I hate FSA
What I do condone is the idea that the original Ganondorf lives as a spirit inhabiting a host body. So the memories, personality, desires, and soul are the SAME, but the body is different. This body upon conception isn't a different person with it's own personality, but rather Ganon living all over again, and when he becomes powerful enough--will try to pick up where he left off before in his other life. Thus, you still have Ganon as "the same evil spanning a huge timeframe and multiple games". Also, wouldn't having the same ol' Ganon around (body/soul) be a "repeating scenario" as well?
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Oh, my fault for calling the process in AoL/Oracles a "reincarnation" instead of a "resurrection"--but I already knew the differences though, thanks. I just forgot that is what was being done in those games.
Also, Darkseid...the reason why you're repeating yourself is not because people don't get it--it's because they don't except it, but that's their prerogative. All guys like us can do is to continue the good fight.
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Well I got word back from the NoA and here is what they said.
Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,
I'm afraid I don't have a definite answer for you. We try to use e-mail primarily to gather feedback about our products and services. We also provide brief answers to critical questions or try to let our fans know where they can find the answers they're looking for on our web site. Unfortunately, we're not equipped to track down the official response you would like to your question. However, we do appreciate your enthusiasm and curiosity.
Well that really helped [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img].
Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,
I'm afraid I don't have a definite answer for you. We try to use e-mail primarily to gather feedback about our products and services. We also provide brief answers to critical questions or try to let our fans know where they can find the answers they're looking for on our web site. Unfortunately, we're not equipped to track down the official response you would like to your question. However, we do appreciate your enthusiasm and curiosity.
Well that really helped [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img].
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If it was that easy to get official answers, we'd have every single detail of the story from every single game already
Tri-Enforcer: I know what you mean, but my complaint still stands. It feel more like a repeating plot than an overall story, even if he's still the same force, just occupying different bodies. And I hate that.
Tri-Enforcer: I know what you mean, but my complaint still stands. It feel more like a repeating plot than an overall story, even if he's still the same force, just occupying different bodies. And I hate that.
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ALttP says Ganondorf Dragmire came first. Why is that SO hard for people to understand!? This FSA Ganondorf, I refuse to believe he is the same FLESH and BLOOD being as the one from OoT. Maybe a reincarnation like the different Links, Zeldas, Impas, Malons, Talons, Tingles (list goes on) or simply a distant descendant. But they are not the same person living in one lifetime. Ganon isn't some ancient demon who possed Ganondorf. He was once Ganondorf and BECAME Ganon. Ganon never existed until Ganondorf assumed his demonic form for the first time. Sheesh-ness! Do not try to argue otherwise because it's totally disregards what AlttP has told us about Ganon's origins. And if you disregard what one game tells us you might as well disregard the whole series and then tell me what you're supposed to believe in then! Huh, huh? (BTW, the previous was not directed to anyone specifically. It's just a bunch generally aimed anger I've been having about this whole topic for some time now.)
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Ganon isn't some ancient demon who possed Ganondorf. He was once Ganondorf and BECAME Ganon. Ganon never existed until Ganondorf assumed his demonic form for the first time. Sheesh-ness! Do not try to argue otherwise because it's totally disregards what AlttP has told us about Ganon's origins. (BTW, the previous was not directed to anyone specifically. It's just a bunch generally aimed anger I've been having about this whole topic for some time now.)
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I know this isn't directed towards anyone, but I just feel the urge to add anyway. When I (can't speak for others) talk about Ganon being an evil spirit, I mean that the spirit is the soul of the original Ganondorf, who was perhaps Ganondorf Dragmire. So, the spirit of Ganondorf Dragmire (if he's the orginal Ganondorf) is the one that's going around inhabiting host bodies. See what I'm saying? Also, I am not going to debate if Dragmire is the original Ganon, I'm not concerned about that.
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Well to clarify what I have been trying to say a bit more would be that Ganondorf is always born a gerudo male, this is evidence of both Ocarina of Time and Four Swords Adventures, though Ganondorf is not a descendant of anyone, it is just him being born all over again. I don't really know if that would go with the whole inhabiting host bodies and such, because I just think he gets to be born again, and as long as it is the same Ganondorf then it doesn't diminish the character in my eyes. As far Ganon being an evil spirit, I kinda agree with this. Just think of each person having a soul, and for Ganondorf his soul is Evil Incarnate or Darkness Uncanny or whatever you would like to prefer to it as. Now I know that people probably don't like to use Player Guides as references but the Official Guide from Nintendo Power was foreworded by Zelda creator Shigeru Miyamoto, meaning he elaborated more on the story. This is what Miyamoto had to say concerning Ganon in the Guide.
The Triforce of Power flickered to life. The sacred relic awakened the fallen warrior, granting Ganondorf a new body that reflected his twisted heart. Reborn as Ganon, no longer a man but a distorted beast, the King of Evil was given the strength for one last battle before succumbing to the void.
So by releasing Ganondorf's inner soul, the part about him which most reflects his desires and ambitions, which is greed and power turned him into the demonic beast known as Ganon. Still though he is still the same person, just granted a new body, like Miyamoto had stated in the Guide.
Well this is all I have to say for now, but maybe I can come up with some other references to support my theory at another time.
The Triforce of Power flickered to life. The sacred relic awakened the fallen warrior, granting Ganondorf a new body that reflected his twisted heart. Reborn as Ganon, no longer a man but a distorted beast, the King of Evil was given the strength for one last battle before succumbing to the void.
So by releasing Ganondorf's inner soul, the part about him which most reflects his desires and ambitions, which is greed and power turned him into the demonic beast known as Ganon. Still though he is still the same person, just granted a new body, like Miyamoto had stated in the Guide.
Well this is all I have to say for now, but maybe I can come up with some other references to support my theory at another time.
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I know this isn't directed towards anyone, but I just feel the urge to add anyway. When I (can't speak for others) talk about Ganon being an evil spirit, I mean that the spirit is the soul of the original Ganondorf, who was perhaps Ganondorf Dragmire. So, the spirit of Ganondorf Dragmire (if he's the orginal Ganondorf) is the one that's going around inhabiting host bodies. See what I'm saying? Also, I am not going to debate if Dragmire is the original Ganon, I'm not concerned about that.
But I am concerned about ALttP. The whole point of this debate is which came first: Ganon or Ganondorf and ALttP has already answered this question a long time ago. Why people are pretending it never existed is beyond but it's really pissing me off as of late. There was a Ganondorf Dragmire before there was any Ganon. Whether or not it's the same one from the OoT time period is beside the point. All i know for certian it is not the same one from the FSA era.
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Ok, I agree with that, but I think the reason so many people ignore it, is because the name "Dragmire" or "Mandrag" is only mentioned in the old U.S. version. It's not mentioned in the old Japanese version (which came out first), and it's not mentioned in the updated GBA games neither. Also, for reasons I don't know, people claim the original Japanese story was better, and criticized the U.S. version for being too dramatic. (I feel the U.S. version made the story better!, but that's me) I for one (and you may agree with me) may feel the original U.S. story was more engaging, dramatic, and had depth.
Lets say Dragmire is the original and is not the same as the Ganondorf from FSA, then that would put the Imprisoning War before any game that uses Ganon's character (hence only games that uses Ganon's character). Then of course, you'd still need to discern if OOT is the Imprisoning War or not, which I'm not touching right now.
Lets say Dragmire is the original and is not the same as the Ganondorf from FSA, then that would put the Imprisoning War before any game that uses Ganon's character (hence only games that uses Ganon's character). Then of course, you'd still need to discern if OOT is the Imprisoning War or not, which I'm not touching right now.
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I think most of us here are on the same page. Most of us believe that Ganondorf came before Ganon did, and we haven't even heard from anyone supporting Ganon coming first before Ganondorf in awhile either, so that kinda makes me think that we have proven our point. Also not only does LttP support that Ganondorf came before Ganon, but so does OoT and FSA.
Tri-Enforcer brought up the Japanese version of LttP in which it doesn't talk about Ganondorf Dragmire or Mandrag Ganon, but it still states that Ganondorf came first, and that is all that matters. I also gotta agree with Tri-Enforcer that I like most of the story from the U.S. better than I do from the one that was made in Japan. Some of the Japanese story had some good text, but other parts of it were just weird. Take Agahnim in the battle at Ganon's Tower for example. In the U.S. version Agahnim's final words were "Prepare to meet your doom" and the Japanese version had Agahnim to say "F*ck off and die". To me I think it was a bit pointless for someone of Agahnim's more sophisticated demeanor to come off like some thug in the end, but everyone has there own opinion on that matter.
I should have also stated that the Guide I was talking about earlier was the Guide to the Ocarina of Time, though that is really pretty obvious to see, but I figure I would add that as well.
Tri-Enforcer brought up the Japanese version of LttP in which it doesn't talk about Ganondorf Dragmire or Mandrag Ganon, but it still states that Ganondorf came first, and that is all that matters. I also gotta agree with Tri-Enforcer that I like most of the story from the U.S. better than I do from the one that was made in Japan. Some of the Japanese story had some good text, but other parts of it were just weird. Take Agahnim in the battle at Ganon's Tower for example. In the U.S. version Agahnim's final words were "Prepare to meet your doom" and the Japanese version had Agahnim to say "F*ck off and die". To me I think it was a bit pointless for someone of Agahnim's more sophisticated demeanor to come off like some thug in the end, but everyone has there own opinion on that matter.
I should have also stated that the Guide I was talking about earlier was the Guide to the Ocarina of Time, though that is really pretty obvious to see, but I figure I would add that as well.
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Dude! He really says that in the Japanese version!? LOL! And just like that I forgot what I was so pissed about. 
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Dude! He really says that in the Japanese version!? LOL! And just like that I forgot what I was so pissed about.
American version:
Aha...Link! I have been waiting for you! Heh heh heh..I was hoping I could make Zelda vanish in front of your very eyes. Behold! The last moment of Princess Zelda! Ho ho ho...With this, the seal of the seven wise men is at last broken. It is only a matter of time before evil power covers this land...After all, the legendary Hero cannot defeat us, the tribe of evil, when we are armed with the Power of Gold. Ho ho ho...Now I must go!
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Ahh, Sir Link. I have been awaiting you! Kukkukku...Before your eyes, I will vanish Zelda. Watch! It's the end of Zelda! Hoohhohhoh....With this, the Seven Sages' seal too has joyously been dissolved. It is only a matter of time before magical power overwhelms this country...So even the legendary "Hero" is no match for we demons who hold the "Golden Power", after all. Hoohhohhoh farewell!
American version:
Oh so?...You mean to say you would like to be totally destroyed! Well, I can make your wish come true!
Grrrrrugh! Well met! Like the true Hero that you are...But I am not ready to admit defeat yet, I will draw you into the Dark World!
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Hohoh, you say you want to suffer after all... Then, I shall grant that wish!
Guuu, you live up to your reputation, "Hero". However, I won't go down like this! I'll drag you into the Dark World!
American version:
Ho ho ho! It's great that you could come all the way here, Link. I'm very happy to see you again, but you better believe that we will not have a third meeting! Prepare to meet your doom!
Japanese version:
Hohohoho, you have done well to be able to come this far Sir Link. I am quite pleased that you came to meet me once again. However, realize that there will be no third time. Fuck off and die!
These are just Agahnim's words from the game, most of it I like the Japanese, but there is also other skits that I prefer the American version, but I was a bit disturbed by Agahnim's last words in the Japanese version, it just seemed odd coming from him I thought.
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It just seems odd coming from ANYONE in the Zeldaverse. I'm having a hard time imagining playing ALttP and suddenly seeing those words appaear on the screen...
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I smell BS.
Oh you do, do you? Well then by all means check it out at Zelda Legends or search for text writings on the net for the Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods (that is the Japanese name for A link to the Past).
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The "fuck off and die" thing, Lord Jabu-Jabu, would have different connotations in Japanese. I am willing to bet that, in it's untranslated form, it does not seem out of place at all.
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I see it all the time.. a villain acts all genteel.. and builds up his anger slowly until finally he expresses his intent to murder you brutally in one short, loud phrase. it's quite common.
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Posted 10 December 2004 - 11:57 AM
Ok...getting back to point. I suppose we all agree that Ganondorf came first.... Great.
