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[Marty]

This really depends on your belief of the zelda universe and its timeline. Since I think there is only one Ganon, Ganondorf was first.

By the way, Twinrova is Ganon's surrogate mother, not his actual mother.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yea, this topic is pointless. like pretty much all the topics you make. But I'll answer. -.-; Since Ganon is hinted at being inprisoned in the Trident from FSA, then we have reason to believe Ganon was some sort of primordial evil and Ganondorf simply unleashed it.

[Husse]

What I think is that with the Triforce of Power, (in OoT) Ganon made a final curse. His body was dead, in a way, so his soul kinda creeped out. So corrupted by black magic, greed, evil, and the power that would not go away, that he was an immortal evil. And since then, you know the story, every time the evil creeps forth, a hero will be sent to conquer it. And that hero is always our dear friend LINK! *fanfare*

[Alakhriveion]

Nyet, Ganondorf ALREADY had an evil heart, and grabbed the Triforce of Power in is fit of madness after the door of time was opened. The Ganondorf became the Evil Demon thing, which fully manifested itself from the end of OoT onward. He still used the form of Ganondorf, though, along with several others, in WW and aLttP and so on.

[Hana-Nezumi]

Yea, this topic is pointless. like pretty much all the topics you make. But I'll answer. -.-; Since Ganon is hinted at being inprisoned in the Trident from FSA, then we have reason to believe Ganon was some sort of primordial evil and Ganondorf simply unleashed it.

Thanks for the spoiler <_<

[MikePetersSucks]

Toast, if you didn't want spoilers, you shouldn't of come into the Storyline board. that's basically all this place is. too bad, so sad, get over it -.-

[Doopliss]

To give a direct answer to your question, I'm almost sure that Ganon was first, since he's referred as an ancient demon in FSA, by the way it seems like Ganon is an spirit who inhabits the Trident of Darkness.

[FDL]

I think Ganondorf became evil because he had a rough life. The end of TWW hints at that.

[Zythe]

I thought this was going to be a deep, theory-packed thread about Davo and Mario Jr.'s argument that Ganon and Ganondorfy are seperate entities. Instead, it's a speculation/assumption/fanfiction parade.

Anyway, to comment on the original post, Twinrova is only Ganon's surrogate mother, it would be kind of wierd to imagine a fused person having a baby (ie. two seperate babies fused? two seperate fathers and mothers? who does it inherit from etc.) that's why all the DBZ/GT or "AF" fanfiction my mates at school did sucked. 'Gogeta has a son with Bulma and they have a kid clamed Gobreifta'. Utter crap that was.

[Husse]

Nyet, Ganondorf ALREADY had an evil heart, and grabbed the Triforce of Power in is fit of madness after the door of time was opened. The Ganondorf became the Evil Demon thing, which fully manifested itself from the end of OoT onward. He still used the form of Ganondorf, though, along with several others, in WW and aLttP and so on.

And this is different from what I said how? I just said, from the point that his MORTAL BODY was slain, the big beast came out and he's been indestructible ever since. And of course he looks like his old self, he still is. He's now indestructible, and no longer human, thus Ganon, not Ganondorf....I think. Maybe I just need to go to bed.

[FDL]

I agree. Perhaps Ganondorf is a reborn incarnation of an ancient demon. If TWW Link is just the Hero of Time reborn then why can't Ganondorf be a reborn demon?

[Husse]

True. But he is different (Link) in and of himself, you know. He's the Hero of Winds, and a lot saucier than the Hero of Time.

[SOAP]

I thought this was going to be a deep, theory-packed thread about Davo and Mario Jr.'s argument that Ganon and Ganondorfy are seperate entities. Instead, it's a speculation/assumption/fanfiction parade.

Anyway, to comment on the original post, Twinrova is only Ganon's surrogate mother, it would be kind of wierd to imagine a fused person having a baby (ie. two seperate babies fused? two seperate fathers and mothers? who does it inherit from etc.) that's why all the DBZ/GT or "AF" fanfiction my mates at school did sucked. 'Gogeta has a son with Bulma and they have a kid clamed Gobreifta'. Utter crap that was.

I don't know if I even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Davogones....

Anyways, I don't really know what to make of the whole Ganon/Ganondorf thing. I just assumed he was a man who was currupted by his own greed which turned him into the Ganon we today. In OoT we see the first transistion from Ganondorf and Ganon and we see that Ganon is used to distriguish between his demonic form from his human form. In TWW, we see the two names interchanged freely. In LttP he's just called Ganon but some still remembered that he was once called Ganondorf. In LOZ Ganondorf was all forgotten and all everyone knew was Ganon. And that was fine. What happened to it? FSA did!

FSA turned everything I knew upside down and made me really rethink what I thought I knew about Ganon. The first "twist" was that Ganon turned out to be the one behind all the chaos not Vaati. No big surprise since that part was already spoiled for me. But then they start treating Ganon and Ganondorf like two seperate beings which didn't really sit well with me. Finally the real kicker came in when Zelda recognized Ganon as an ancient demon while Ganondorf is man who lived in THAT time period. Honestly I don't know what to make of that. Both ALttP and Loz are very clear of Ganon's origins as a currupted theif, not a premordial evil that had existed since the dawn of time. Am I supposed to just disregard all that and accept that Ganon came fiorst and Ganondorf is a human extension of him? Or is theresomething else I'm missing? I don't know. The only solution I could think of was that the Ganondorf we see in the FSA is not the same as in OoT but rather a reincartion and/or descendant of Ganondorf I. He finds out about the Trident of Darkness and goes on a serch to find it but is then possesed by his own ancestor. Probably not the best theory out there. But I refuse to believe that Nintendo would intentionally disregard something THAT vital to the Zelda storyline.

[lord-of-shadow]

I absolutely hated FSA's story, since it not only brought in a bunch of crap, but it directly contradicted things from previous games.

At this point, a good, overall timeline is impossible, IMHO.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Well, since FSA, I always believed that Ganon started off as Ganondorf. Whoever the original Ganondorf was, was obviously killed...but his spirit lived on in host bodies...notably that of Gerudo born males or a certain type of sacrifice--thus taking up the name "Ganondorf" in Gerudo form and then "Ganon" to symbolize his demonic spirit form. I mean...if you have the same soul/memories, then you're still the same person...in a way. So, Ganon is still the same 'ol Ganon we've all come to know--it's just that we're learning more about his past and why he's a formidable foe.

[Kairu Hakubi]

I guess I wouldn't mind the whole descendant idea for the 'Dorf... but otherwise yeah, the timeline is royally ph0qued now.

[FDL]

Yes, TWW and FSA are great games but they totally screwed up the chance of a timeline that spans all the games.

[Doopliss]

I don't know if I even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Davogones....

Anyways, I don't really know what to make of the whole Ganon/Ganondorf thing. I just assumed he was a man who was currupted by his own greed which turned him into the Ganon we today. In OoT we see the first transistion from Ganondorf and Ganon and we see that Ganon is used to distriguish between his demonic form from his human form. In TWW, we see the two names interchanged freely. In LttP he's just called Ganon but some still remembered that he was once called Ganondorf. In LOZ Ganondorf was all forgotten and all everyone knew was Ganon. And that was fine. What happened to it? FSA did!

FSA turned everything I knew upside down and made me really rethink what I thought I knew about Ganon. The first "twist" was that Ganon turned out to be the one behind all the chaos not Vaati. No big surprise since that part was already spoiled for me. But then they start treating Ganon and Ganondorf like two seperate beings which didn't really sit well with me. Finally the real kicker came in when Zelda recognized Ganon as an ancient demon while Ganondorf is man who lived in THAT time period. Honestly I don't know what to make of that. Both ALttP and Loz are very clear of Ganon's origins as a currupted theif, not a premordial evil that had existed since the dawn of time. Am I supposed to just disregard all that and accept that Ganon came fiorst and Ganondorf is a human extension of him? Or is theresomething else I'm missing? I don't know. The only solution I could think of was that the Ganondorf we see in the FSA is not the same as in OoT but rather a reincartion and/or descendant of Ganondorf I. He finds out about the Trident of Darkness and goes on a serch to find it but is then possesed by his own ancestor. Probably not the best theory out there. But I refuse to believe that Nintendo would intentionally disregard something THAT vital to the Zelda storyline.

Definitely, FS Adventures is an early game, so why if the people refer to him as Ganon in late games he is refered as Ganon in FSA by his followers who say that he will return? Well, it's obvious, because Ganondorf hasn't appeared before, that supports my opinion: Ganon is an ancient demon who's independent from Ganondorf, and Ganondorf is just a simple man that Ganon uses as a puppet.

[Zythe]

Maybe Ganondorf is to Ganon as Jesus is to God.

[Kairu Hakubi]

an interesting concept.. a part, though seemingly a separate entity, to the larger entity of ganon.

[Alakhriveion]

I absolutely hated FSA's story, since it not only brought in a bunch of crap, but it directly contradicted things from previous games.

At this point, a good, overall timeline is impossible, IMHO.

So? The maps don't match up, why should anything else?

[Tri-Enforcer]

Now, that everyone has been presented with the ideas of why Ganondorf is still the same, what's the big fuss, now? It seems that many misinterpreted what it means for Ganondorf to be an incarnation of evil, and took it to mean that Ganon--at various points in time--is LITERALLY different. But that is NOT so, the original Ganondorf lives on as treacherous spirit inhabiting host bodies--and is still embedded with the same memories and desires. Many people hate FSA because they think it's trying to say that Ganon is literally different at various intervals...but that is not so. The reason I disliked FSA wasn't because I misinterpreted the game--I just didn't like it 'cuz it's a 2D game with a shallow story which was a quick, rushed, and easy buck to make. It's harder to move a story accordingly with games like those--which is why the storyline is of very little priority to Nintendo.

[SOAP]

^ Which is just silly because ALttP stresses otherwize....

Ganondorf came first. LoZ says Ganon was once a greedy man. ALttP says that man was named Ganondorf Dragmire. OoT shows how Ganondorf BECAME Ganon. What more do you need!? As for the whole Ganondorf/Ganon thing FSA, maybe Ganondorf reincarnated. That's the only logical explantion. If you try to put FSA before OoT just for the sake of keeping one Ganondorf and say Ganon was an ancient demon who possesed him via the Trident of Darkness then you run into a whole lot problems and the whole storyline just falls apart at the seams.