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#1 JRPomazon

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 01:37 AM

Alright so I have a storyline question for you folks concerned Ganondorf between the end of Ocarina of Time and the beginning of Twilight Princess. At the end of OoT, the sages successfully seal him away in the Sacred Realm and then in Twilight Princess he is surrounded by the sages about to be executed. I know that there is no proof that Twilight Princess is a direct follow up to OoT but it seems likely to me. That aside, I thought he was already sealed away, so why bother to unseal him just to kill him off?

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 02:24 AM

Ocarina of Time's ending split the timeline into two separate continuities. When Zelda sent Link back to his childhood the adult timeline continued on without his presence, while in the child timeline Link used his knowledge of the future to change the course of events.

The Wind Waker follows on from the adult timeline. According to Wind Waker's back story Ganondorf returned from the Dark World, but with no hero to face him the gods decided to flood the land, (etc etc... I'll assume you're familiar with Wind Waker's story)

Twilight Princess picks up after the very last scene in Ocarina. Link and Zelda's meeting eventually results in Ganondorf's capture and the sages attempt to execute him.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 09:52 AM

Alright so I have a storyline question for you folks concerned Ganondorf between the end of Ocarina of Time and the beginning of Twilight Princess. At the end of OoT, the sages successfully seal him away in the Sacred Realm and then in Twilight Princess he is surrounded by the sages about to be executed. I know that there is no proof that Twilight Princess is a direct follow up to OoT but it seems likely to me. That aside, I thought he was already sealed away, so why bother to unseal him just to kill him off?


Actually, TP was confirmed to be a distant sequel to OOT a long tome ago. In the world of TP, the adult events of OOT never happened. The king was told about Ganon's intentions and he waged war on Hyrule until he was arrested, followed by a failed execution.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 04:37 PM

Ganondorf was only sealed in the Adult Timeline; there are now two Zelda realities because of OOT's events, so he still had to be dealt with in the Child Timeline.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 02:30 AM

OK, I think I'm getting this now. So in the Adult Timeline, he gets the Triforce of Power and yaddi yaddi yadda Ocarina of Time. But how does he come across the Triforce of Power in the child timeline? Was it somehow gained via his achievements in the other timeline?

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 04:23 AM

OK, I think I'm getting this now. So in the Adult Timeline, he gets the Triforce of Power and yaddi yaddi yadda Ocarina of Time. But how does he come across the Triforce of Power in the child timeline? Was it somehow gained via his achievements in the other timeline?


That is the "divine prank". Nobody knows. Or at least the sages seem to be unable to explain it. However, I think the general consensus among Zelda theorist is that the Triforce pieces is still connected to each carrier, and thus may still end up in them despite no one touching the Triforce in the sacred realm. You may call it whatever you want. Sure, why not 'timeline transcending triforce achievement?'

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 12:50 PM

Well, we really don't know if Ganon has the Triforce of Power in TP or not. We just see the symbol glow on his hand, just as TP Link and Zelda do. We don't see them acquire the their respective triforce pieces, but yet their symbols still glow. So I think the glowing symbols on their hands mean they are the chosen ones to bear the respective piece of the triforce, but it doesn't mean that they actually have a triforce piece.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 02:37 PM

Well, we really don't know if Ganon has the Triforce of Power in TP or not. We just see the symbol glow on his hand, just as TP Link and Zelda do. We don't see them acquire the their respective triforce pieces, but yet their symbols still glow. So I think the glowing symbols on their hands mean they are the chosen ones to bear the respective piece of the triforce, but it doesn't mean that they actually have a triforce piece.


Both the sages and Ganondorf explicitly says that he was granted the power of the Gods, though. What could that power possibly be if not the Triforce of Power?

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 02:42 PM

OK, I think I'm getting this now. So in the Adult Timeline, he gets the Triforce of Power and yaddi yaddi yadda Ocarina of Time. But how does he come across the Triforce of Power in the child timeline? Was it somehow gained via his achievements in the other timeline?


Remember how Link had the Triforce of Courage as a child in OOT's ending? Apparently since he went back in time, he still had the rights to it, causing the Triforce to split; Zelda and Ganondorf would have received their pieces, and Ganondorf didn't realize this until he was impaled. Cue him going "Alright!" and getting loose.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 03:00 PM


Well, we really don't know if Ganon has the Triforce of Power in TP or not. We just see the symbol glow on his hand, just as TP Link and Zelda do. We don't see them acquire the their respective triforce pieces, but yet their symbols still glow. So I think the glowing symbols on their hands mean they are the chosen ones to bear the respective piece of the triforce, but it doesn't mean that they actually have a triforce piece.


Both the sages and Ganondorf explicitly says that he was granted the power of the Gods, though. What could that power possibly be if not the Triforce of Power?


Oh that is true. I haven't played in awhile.

OK, I think I'm getting this now. So in the Adult Timeline, he gets the Triforce of Power and yaddi yaddi yadda Ocarina of Time. But how does he come across the Triforce of Power in the child timeline? Was it somehow gained via his achievements in the other timeline?


Remember how Link had the Triforce of Courage as a child in OOT's ending? Apparently since he went back in time, he still had the rights to it, causing the Triforce to split; Zelda and Ganondorf would have received their pieces, and Ganondorf didn't realize this until he was impaled. Cue him going "Alright!" and getting loose.


Very true. However, TP Link and Zelda are not the same Link and Zelda from OOT. So I can understand Ganon still having his piece because of the events in OOT (since he's the same Ganon from OOT). But how did TP Link and Zelda get their Triforce pieces?

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 05:03 PM

They might have had them from birth, being destined for them and all. The AoL backstory implies that the Triforce can be passed down through bloodlines as well if the descendants of the carrier are worthy of it.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:13 PM

Very true. However, TP Link and Zelda are not the same Link and Zelda from OOT. So I can understand Ganon still having his piece because of the events in OOT (since he's the same Ganon from OOT). But how did TP Link and Zelda get their Triforce pieces?


Goddesses: "Oh, um...we fucked up." "Just have them reincarnate with the Triforce pieces. It'd just be awkward to have only two triangles return to the Sacred Realm."

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 07:15 AM


Well, we really don't know if Ganon has the Triforce of Power in TP or not. We just see the symbol glow on his hand, just as TP Link and Zelda do. We don't see them acquire the their respective triforce pieces, but yet their symbols still glow. So I think the glowing symbols on their hands mean they are the chosen ones to bear the respective piece of the triforce, but it doesn't mean that they actually have a triforce piece.


Both the sages and Ganondorf explicitly says that he was granted the power of the Gods, though. What could that power possibly be if not the Triforce of Power?


Phew! I thought there was going to be another "No Triforce pieces in TP because the word 'Triforce' is never used in the game" debate again. The last one was a total mess. :/

Crisis avoided!

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 11:25 AM



Well, we really don't know if Ganon has the Triforce of Power in TP or not. We just see the symbol glow on his hand, just as TP Link and Zelda do. We don't see them acquire the their respective triforce pieces, but yet their symbols still glow. So I think the glowing symbols on their hands mean they are the chosen ones to bear the respective piece of the triforce, but it doesn't mean that they actually have a triforce piece.


Both the sages and Ganondorf explicitly says that he was granted the power of the Gods, though. What could that power possibly be if not the Triforce of Power?


Phew! I thought there was going to be another "No Triforce pieces in TP because the word 'Triforce' is never used in the game" debate again. The last one was a total mess. :/

Crisis avoided!

Those are always a mess. Most of us know is was pretty obvious they had the Triforce pieces in TP, anyway. What else could have saved Ganon in the execution scene? The only reason I can see for confusion on this point is that the story after the third dungeon was not very clear, making me think that it was rushed.




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