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Posted 19 June 2010 - 03:12 AM

...indeed the first Zelda in the timeline, at least of the Master Sword storyline, would you want OoT3D to add in some lines about the hero from that game? I know it's a strange prospect, but if the legendary hero still known of in Twilight Princess is the Skyward Sword Link(as some have already speculated, I know I've thought of the possibility as have some genuine theorists), it'd make more sense in some ways if that person was known in the time of OoT as well. I'm not sure what I'd want, it's just something I thought of when reading about Skyward Sword's story and the fact that OoT3D really will have new features and truly be a retelling of that story instead of a port. I'm wondering if timeline cohesiveness would be preferred to staying true to the original game, or vice versa. Did ALttP for GBA really change lines too, or just retranslate it to make more sense/fit more? I can't remember.


Also, unless this is not preferred, this could double as a general SS storyline discussion/speculation topic. Not sure if anyone wants one or not.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 03:24 AM

One or two lines couldn't hurt but I don't think it's neccessary. I still think TP's references to the Hero are supposed to be OoT Link. Instead I think SS itself may imply Link's lineage (blood, spiritual, or whatever) as coming from a race of sky people, which would explain TP associating the Hero with the sky.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 11:53 AM

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...Not to open a can of worms...

But, if we were viewing SS from the perspective of LttP backstory (origin of the Master Sword), I suppose it could be the story of the Imprisoning War?

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 01:40 PM

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...Not to open a can of worms...

But, if we were viewing SS from the perspective of LttP backstory (origin of the Master Sword), I suppose it could be the story of the Imprisoning War?


I thought it was established that the forging of the Master Sword occured centuries before the Imprisoning War (or Seal War, same diff). The IW would be a seperate time, when the location of the Master Sword was either forgotten or no one was worthy of it to pull it from it's pedestal.

What would really be a can of worms would be the possibility that this not only is the origins of the Mastersword but the creation of the world itself as told in ALttP and OoT. This depends on whether SS takes place before, after, or total disregards TMC, which is supposed to be the first game in the series with Hyrule being an already established kingdom with a history of it's own dating back several rulers. If it's after TMC, then either the Hylains moved to sky and abadoned Hyrule to evil forces, and we have a simmilar situation as TWW, with the Hylians forgetting there's actually land beneath the waves clouds. Or SS Link's people are a seperate people from the Hyruleans who still reside in Hyrule but are troubled by dark forces and Link is sent there to help them. This could explain why the Sky People have ties with Royal Family and the Hero in TP, if Link is of the sky race before they became the Oocca. I like this way better because it can also retcon the Wind Tribe from TMC as the Oocca's original form since they've only recently left for the skies and still retain their human form.

If it's before TMC or disregards it, then it could be possible that Hyrule doesn't exist in name yet because it's people originated from islands in the sky and the land taht will become Hyrule is still in it's chaotic state before the Goddesses eventually decend there and make it habitable for life. This would seem at odds with the Hyrulean creation myth as we know it since life was the third thing created by the Goddesses, with the world being shaped beforehand. And then there's the odd bit from the Japanese text in TP suggesting that the Oocca created Hyrule, not the Goddesses, and they built the City in the Sky after the Goddesses craeted the Hylians. The City in the Sky seems to better suited for human-sized Hylians rather that cuccos-sized Ooocas. Was the City in the Sky created specfically for the Hylians as a place for them to live? If so why did they move from such a paradise to a land infested by evil below. Could this be the story of the Fall of the Hylian Race from the their version of Eden?

Edited by SOAP, 19 June 2010 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 02:01 PM

Another consideration is that perhaps this isn't truly an origin story at all. This could be akin to The Wind Waker in that the Skyward Sword may in fact be a depowered Master Sword or a Master Sword with a different name, with the country of Sky Loft being a place that the Hylians had to flee to in order to escape whatever evil is consuming Hyrule.


Back on the ancient hero point, yeah SOAP it's kinda hard for me to decide. The references to the ToC and things like that seem to mean he's OoT Link, but the stuff about him using the Hero's Bow to save the Gorons from a great evil sound kinda un-OoT Linkish. It's possible that there's an untold Hero of Time story though, which I would enjoy seeing some day although I'm sure many would rather they leave OoT behind finally. As opposed to making sequels and prequels for every console release.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

Another consideration is that perhaps this isn't truly an origin story at all. This could be akin to The Wind Waker in that the Skyward Sword may in fact be a depowered Master Sword or a Master Sword with a different name, with the country of Sky Loft being a place that the Hylians had to flee to in order to escape whatever evil is consuming Hyrule.


Back on the ancient hero point, yeah SOAP it's kinda hard for me to decide. The references to the ToC and things like that seem to mean he's OoT Link, but the stuff about him using the Hero's Bow to save the Gorons from a great evil sound kinda un-OoT Linkish. It's possible that there's an untold Hero of Time story though, which I would enjoy seeing some day although I'm sure many would rather they leave OoT behind finally. As opposed to making sequels and prequels for every console release.


The other workaround is it's a reference to Link aiding the Terminian Gorons in MM and then is entrusted to the Hyrulean Gorons for safekeeping. Legends morph over time and treat the two groups of Gorons as the same.

I've also considered it's a simmilar situation as TWW and even mentioned that actually. Still for some reason I feel that this is the same situation as the Picori Blade becoming the Four Sword.

Edited by SOAP, 19 June 2010 - 02:33 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 02:56 PM

I agree, I'm leaning more towards it being the story of peace being brought to Hyrule(and Skyloft returning to being part of Hyrule as it sorta sounds like they are from what Aonuma has said) as well as the origin of the Master Sword. I kinda hope that the Sages are involved in the Skyward Sword becoming the Master Sword if that's truly the case, as I think it'd make a better overall story if the earlier tales of the Master Sword's creation are taken into account.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 03:57 PM

I think it is interesting to note that the director of this game is no one less than Hidemaro Fujibayashi, who was also the director of the Oracle games and The Minish Cap(!). I would certainly enjoy the return of the minish, as a minor race or even a cameo. Then again, this game does seem to focus more on the sky and in the light of "The tiny Picori appeared from the sky" there seem to be a slight possibility for their appearance as well.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:12 PM

This might wind up being something like an alternate version of TMC's backstory, with the Master Sword instead of the Picori Sword.

But in regards to OoT 3D changing canon, I'm all for it,, especially since it could make the 3D arc gel more than the oblique references to its now-distant sequel ALttP.

Edited by Person, 19 June 2010 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:10 PM

This might wind up being something like an alternate version of TMC's backstory, with the Master Sword instead of the Picori Sword.

But in regards to OoT 3D changing canon, I'm all for it,, especially since it could make the 3D arc gel more than the oblique references to its now-distant sequel ALttP.


I'd like that. This could be like GBA ALTTP replacing the US SNES version, but I guess SS removes SNES ALTTP from the canon completly. And it would be best if they made the ending of OOT a bit longer a reference any games that occurs before it. And are you refering to SS possibly being similar to TMC, except instead of the Picori becoming the FS, the SS wil become the MS? Sounds interesting. It could even replace the FS.




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