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[TSA]

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[MikePetersSucks]

Wow, Vaati apparently dies, the Castle was apparently temporarily possessed, Zelda gets a red cap and uses it to return everything back to normal, Ezro was a Minish, the world to the Minish is sealed, and the elements for the Four Sword are earth, fire, water, and shadow. Nice job! how in god's name did you find this splendid video?

[joeymartin64]

He made it, I believe.

I hate you, Fujiko Takimoto...

[martinDTanderson]

We have finished the Minish Cap here in the UK in English.

Vaati seems to just explode away. The Elemental Sanctuary is sealed (I suspect it is the same four sword shrine from FS and FSA, just overgrown)

Vaati was trying to extract the "Golden Light Force" from Zelda, but he didnt get it all. He used its power to transform, and wanted to become a God/Mage.

At the end it says something like "however this is not the end of Link and Zelda's adventures, as long as the light force remains. The Legend continues..."

I am working on a placement timeline, now Four Swords has finally been explained, and is a part of the storyline.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yes, it has, except, when the Four Sword is used in TMC, the copies are only there for a few seconds, but when it's used in FS/A, they're brand new individual beings O.o Also, what is this force within Zelda? It could be the Triforce, but how did she get it?

[Hero of Winds]

Yes, it has, except, when the Four Sword is used in TMC, the copies are only there for a few seconds, but when it's used in FS/A, they're brand new individual beings O.o Also, what is this force within Zelda? It could be the Triforce, but how did she get it?

I'm pretty sure the Force that Zelda uses is somehow related to the Force Gems.

[TSA]

The light force is pretty implicitly another term for the "Triforce".

[martinDTanderson]

They show stained glass images of Link with the triforce above him, during the into talking about how the picori (minish) gave him the Picori Blade (four sword) and the Light Force.

Then at the end, they show 2 extra stained glass images, one of Zelda holding the Triforce, and the caption says the Golden Light Force flowed through her and was passed through to her decendants.

Perhaps it was the Minish which brought the Triforce from the sacred realm to the people of Hyrule...

[MikePetersSucks]

But that doesn't make sense, if TMC does indeed come before OOT, how did it get BACK into the Sacred Realm?

[MikePetersSucks]

But we KNOW TMC comes before OOT. It's about the origin's of Link's cap.

[Tekky]

I dunno, it just seems "messier" to have TMC pre OoT, if the golden light force is indeed the Triforce...

[MikePetersSucks]

Hrm, I like the thory that the Light Force is some kind of intangible force that gives the Hylians it's magic, and as the Hero of Men legend passed on it became associated with it. ugh, I'm smelling Tetraforce "evidence" >.<

[davogones]

The light force isn't necessarily the Triforce. There is a lot more magic in Hyrule than just that given by the Triforce. In particular, there are various sacred magical forces used to combat evil. Such as the Master Sword, the Four Sword, and the light force (which is presumably also present in the Light Arrows in OoT).

[martinDTanderson]

except in both the stained glass windows where the "Golden Light Force" is mentioned, show golden triangles. I doubt that is a coincidence...

[MikePetersSucks]

Or it could be a religious thing that the Hylians do like how Christians just have to squeeze the cross in every picture o.o besides, two pictures is not really enough to be considered evidence in my eyes. Especially since almost wherever you place it, MC wouldn't work if it was the Triforce. Besides, the Triforce hasn't shown it's face since TWW, why would they bring it back in a FS game?

[FDL]

I think the Light Force is the Triforce. This seems to be the case because in the end when Zelda makes her wish three triangles flash from her body. I think Vaati transformed by taking a part of the Triforce from her temporarily, probably the Triforce of Power. The fact that the Hero of Men seems to be tied with Wisdom and Courage makes me believe LOZ and AOL are closely tied to TMC. I feel this way because in LOZ Link was on a quest for the TOW and AOL has Link on a quest for the TOC........ Just some thoughts.

[SOAP]

^ I like how you think! When I first heard the the whole "With Wisdom and Courage" thing the first thing I thought was the NES games. I even once had a theory LoZ and AoL come before TMC but now it seems that TMC really is the prequel to all the games...

[FDL]

Perhaps the LoZ/AoL Link is the Hero of Men and the MC backstory is just an alternate version of those two games where Link didn't have a hat but everything else was the same. It just makes sense to me because the story of the Hero of Men seems to parallel the NES games. Also, the pictures of the Hero of Men show him first as a pre-teen(LOZ) and then looking older(AoL).
Edit: I wanted to add that I still think TMC is one of the earliest games timeline wise. I used to think LoZ and AoL must be after OoT but seeing the opening of TMC makes me think the Ganon in LoZ and AoL is the demon in the stained glass pictures in the TMC opening and not Ganondorf. Basically, the timeline I'm thinking of goes like this so far:
LoZ
AoL
TMC
FS
FSA:HA

[MikePetersSucks]

But that doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't Link have a green hat when all the others did? Why wouldn't Zelda know about the Triforce when it's become famous over the centuries? Where were the MINISH and the PICORI blade in LOZ/AOL? When were all the monsters sealed up? If Zelda had the Triforce, wouldn't her wishes be granted just for the fact that she had them? (The Triforce automatically grants your strongest desires, right?) Also, in MC, wouldn't there have been two Zelda bloodlines? and I never saw the entire Triforce reside within someone. I thought they always freaking held it above their head or kept it in a temple -.-; Oh, and it's been confirmed that TMC/FS/FSA all come before OOT, if the plot doesn't make it obvious already. (Link of AOL was never killed and sacrificed, so Ganon couldn't be back for FSA.)

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Yes, and there'll be another game with Vaati appearing in it, I'm sure of it. The storyline makes it pretty clear.

After all, the Palace of Winds isn't Vaati's palace. The Wind Tribe moved it from the land up into the sky and they practically live underneath it. Yet in FS or some other game, he apparently resides there and has a statue dedicated to him.

Ah, the smell of a sequel...

[MikePetersSucks]

AND He's not sealed away in MC. AND the Four Sword still isn't totally complete >.> (in MC, the Sword makes a few phantoms that copy your movements, in FS, they're seperate individuals with seperate identities.)

[FDL]

But that doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't Link have a green hat when all the others did? Why wouldn't Zelda know about the Triforce when it's become famous over the centuries? Where were the MINISH and the PICORI blade in LOZ/AOL? When were all the monsters sealed up? If Zelda had the Triforce, wouldn't her wishes be granted just for the fact that she had them? (The Triforce automatically grants your strongest desires, right?) Also, in MC, wouldn't there have been two Zelda bloodlines? and I never saw the entire Triforce reside within someone. I thought they always freaking held it above their head or kept it in a temple -.-; Oh, and it's been confirmed that TMC/FS/FSA all come before OOT, if the plot doesn't make it obvious already. (Link of AOL was never killed and sacrificed, so Ganon couldn't be back for FSA.)

The Piccori Blade could have been the Magic Sword. Link could have sealed away all the monsters after AOL. They couldn't have just dissapeared. Also, in FSA Ganon is reffered to as an ancient demon and the Trident contains his power, not Ganon himself.

[lord-of-shadow]

I posted this at another forum, and it seems relevant...

I do not believe the Light Force has anything to do with the Triforce. It doesn't behave anything like it, for one. It seems that it's passed down through the bloodline of Hyrule, and incarnates in the Princess. It doesn't grant her wishes at all... though the cap that Ezlo was working on obviously did.  

They didn't mention anything about other pieces of the Light Force, which means, if it is the Triforce, that Zelda had it in it's entirety... but that doesn't seem to be the case.  

In previous games, every time the power of the Triforce is invoked, the crest appears on the user's hand, or a physical representation of it appears. Neither of those happened when Zelda invoked the power of the Light Force.

Also, Vaati manages to partially drain the Light Force, and uses it to power himself. I don't think it is likely that he could partially drain the power of the Triforce of a piece of the Triforce.


Finally, and most importantly, it is either said straight out or strongly implied(don't remember which, though probably the latter) that the Minish created the Light Force, whereas the Triforce was created by the Goddesses. The Minish don't show any signs of being the goddesses, as far as I can tell

I suppose it's possible that the Minish's world is actually the Sacred Realm, and they brought the Triforce with them, in the form of the Light Force, but again, I don't think that's the case.  


Did anyone else notice, and was annoyed by the fact that all the normal people were referred to as "humans"? I don't think I've ever seen the word "human" applied to anything in the Zelda games... it's always either a Hylian or a Hyrulian, depending on the ears.  I hope they fix that discrepancy in the US release, though it's not likely.

By the way, now that I've finished tMC, I cna finally come back to the storyline section. w00t.

[Husse]

Awww, I waited to see it at school, which would have made for a two-second download time, and now it's GONE!

[coinilius]

The Piccori Blade could have been the Magic Sword. Link could have sealed away all the monsters after AOL. They couldn't have just dissapeared. Also, in FSA Ganon is reffered to as an ancient demon and the Trident contains his power, not Ganon himself.

Given the fact that the Piccori Blade is refered to as the White Sword during one of it's power ups, wouldn't it make more sense to assume that the Piccori Blade (if it was a sword from LoZ/AoL) was the White Sword that was given to Link in LoZ, not the Magic Sword?

Maybe the little sage guy who gives you the ToC in AoL was actually a Minish, and after waking up Princess Zelda, Link used the power of the Triforce to seal the monsters away in the White Sword, which came to be known as the Piccori Blade

Not that I'm trying to place tMC after LoZ/AoL, just pointing out some ways in which the connection could be made

[MikePetersSucks]

That's just.....extremely stupid. the Two White Swords are completely different. This is factual information, especially since they have seperate powers, and their seperated by a gap of time of about.......the entire series? Also, if Link sealed all the monsters away with the Triforce, why not just wish them away? or if that isn't humane enough, wish them to become humans

[JRPomazon]

Hey, if the video comes back online, or if someone finds a new one, could someone just repost it?

[coinilius]

That's just.....extremely stupid. the Two White Swords are completely different. This is factual information, especially since they have seperate powers, and their seperated by a gap of time of about.......the entire series? Also, if Link sealed all the monsters away with the Triforce, why not just wish them away? or if that isn't humane enough, wish them to become humans

I wasn't trying to pass that off as a realistic theory, Mike - just wanted to add some stuff to what Fierce Diety (I think) said Although, about the Triforce just wishing the monsters away - I don't know if the Triforce actually can do that... Ganon never just wishes Link away in aLttP, and the King of Hyrule doesn't just wish Ganon away at the end of tWW. It could be that the Triforce is unable to just 'wink' people out of existence *shrugs*

[FDL]

Given the fact that the Piccori Blade is refered to as the White Sword during one of it's power ups, wouldn't it make more sense to assume that the Piccori Blade (if it was a sword from LoZ/AoL) was the White Sword that was given to Link in LoZ, not the Magic Sword?

Maybe the little sage guy who gives you the ToC in AoL was actually a Minish, and after waking up Princess Zelda, Link used the power of the Triforce to seal the monsters away in the White Sword, which came to be known as the Piccori Blade

Not that I'm trying to place tMC after LoZ/AoL, just pointing out some ways in which the connection could be made

But Link doesn't have the White Sword in AoL. He has the Magic Sword. But I was thinking that as well. The White Sword looks a lot like the sword in the opening of TMC. I know you don't really like this theory but thanks for discussing possibilities anyway.