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[-Kado-]

TMC - - OoT
Adult timeline - - WW - PH - - ST - - LoZ - AoL
Child timeline - MM - - TP - - FS - FSA - - ALttP - LA - - OoS - OoA

Prior to the Minish Cap, the Triforce is sealed within the Sacred Realm. The triforce emblem is seen throughout Hyrule Castle and on the old King's grave, so its existence must have already been known to the Royal Family.

The Minish Cap has pretty much secured the spot as the first Zelda in most timelines due to various facts. I believe that in between TMC and FS, another four swords game will be made that details how Vaati was resurrected and sealed within the Four Sword, most likely directly after TMC (starring a new link) and before OoT.

Afterwards, the backstory in Ocarina of Time takes place where a great war takes place between the races as they believe the Royal Family of hyrule is hiding the triforce for themselves. Eventually, they kiss and make up and we get to the events of OoT which I won't go into detail about cause you know what happens.

Adult Timeline: Ganondorf is sealed within the sacred realm at the end of OoT. Link returns to the past. Ganondorf breaks free from the sacred realm but no descendant of Link is there to stop him since OoT Link returned to the past. The King floods Hyrule to trap Ganondorf and everybody starts living on boats and islands.

Next is Wind Waker where Ganondorf returns from under the ocean years and years later to try to collect the triforce. Ganon gets turned to stone by the master sword and sits at the bottom of the ocean. After Wind Waker comes PH and ST.

After ST comes The Legend of Zelda, hundreds of years later. In between ST and LoZ, the royal family of Hyrule reclaims two pieces of the triforce which was scattered at the end of Wind Waker. At the beginning of LoZ, Ganondorf is either reborn or he escapes his stone prison at the bottom of the ocean, amasses an evil army and storms Hyrule, seizing the triforce of power (and regaining his piggy form). Zelda splits up the triforce of Wisdom. Link shows up and finds them and he beats Ganon.

Directly after that, Link learns of the sleeping princess Zelda from whatever happened between ST and LoZ in the backstory and goes to get the triforce of courage hidden in the ridiculously difficult palace by some short guy with a stick. He gets all 3 pieces of the triforce and wakes up the old Zelda. He then kisses her, taking advantage of her in her confused state as she wakes up to the fact that everyone she ever knew or loved has been dead for centuries. That ends the adult timeline.

Child Timeline: Link returns to the past and sets out to find Navi who flies away at the end of OoT and ends up in Termina in Majora's Mask.

As detailed in a cutscene in Twilight Princess, Ganondorf is captured and sentenced to death by the Royal Family of Hyrule. 7 sages try to execute him with a neat sword, but I'm guessing that the goddess of Power, Din was kind of like "You know what, Ganondorf is a sexy beast, I think I'm gonna give him the triforce of power cause I don't want him to die just yet. He did try really hard to get it afterall." A "cruel trick of the gods" or whatever the sage says when he's talking to Link during that cutscene. Ganondorf kills a sage and the remaining sages use the twilight mirror to seal him in the twilight realm.

Next, the events of Twilight Princess occur. In the end, Ganondorf is killed by Link. It is my belief that after the events of Twilight Princess, the royal family of Hyrule recollects the pieces of the triforce and seals them within the sacred realm once more.

Next is Four Swords. Vaati is back. Link swiftly reseals him within the four sword. Maybe a year later, a reborn Ganondorf creates a shadow Link to trick Link into freeing Vaati once more as a distraction so that he can claim the legendary trident of power from the desert. Vaati dies and Ganon is sealed inside the Four Sword.

It is my belief that in between the events of FSA and ALttP, Ganon breaks free from his seal within the Four Sword and sets out to find the triforce to claim revenge upon the royal family of Hyrule. He succeeds in entering the Sacred Realm and attains the triforce of Power, the other 2 pieces escaping his grasp. It's at this point that the 7 wise men create a seal on the entrance of the sacred realm when dark energy begins to pour out of it, as it states in the intro in ALttP. Ganondorf turns the Sacred Realm into the dark world.

Next is ALttP. Ganon is starting to break free from the dark world and is able to posess the wizard Aganihm to do his bidding. You know the rest of what happens in ALttP. Ganon dies, the triforce is reunited and is kept safe by the royal family of Hyrule.

Next, I believe that Link's Awakening is a direct sequel to ALttP for a few reasons. One, I believe Nintendo released it at the time to be a direct sequel to ALttP. In the oracle games, Zelda introduces herself as if meeting Link for the very first time, therefore it doesn't take place after the oracle games, regardless of the little boat scene at the end of the game. And finally, the final boss Dethl. Before you fight his final form, he takes the forms of all of Link's Worst Nightmares, including Ganon, and Aganihm. Some will argue that there is a miniboss in Oracle of Ages that fights just like Aganihm, but would a miniboss really be one of Link's worst nightmares? I honestly don't believe so.

Next is Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons starring a new Link. Twinrova/Koume and Kotake (I'm guessing its the same twinrova from Ocarina of Time. They seem to have very long lifespans (as they mention) and Twinrova was defeated by Link in the adult timeline, not the child one) resurrect Ganon whom Link defeats, thus bringing the child timeline to a close.

Your thoughts?

Edited by -Kado-, 17 December 2009 - 12:26 PM.

[Altum]

I agree with most of it, but I don't believe LoZ/AoL would be in the AT. It's up to debate. I place LoZ/AoL in between ALttP/LA and the Oracle games. My reasoning is we don't really know the state of the Triforce at the end of TWW, but we know at least that Link reached it in ALttP. The Royal Family could have taken it and hidden it throughout Hyrule as it is in LoZ/AoL. It leaves up the question of how Ganon was resurrected after ALttP and took up the Triforce of Power, but those issues are in the AT as well.

I think the creators' intentions at the moment are that Ganon is gone from the AT, while at the end of TP in the CT, that Ganon makes it seem like he'll come back. FS/FSA give a way for him to come back. It's all speculation, but LoZ/AoL fit better with the other 2D Ganon games in my opinion.

However, I think the maps in LoZ/AoL really give credit to the idea that they could take place in the AT, seeing all the islands and coastlines and such. Geography is fickle at best in Hyrule, though.

Edited by Altum, 17 December 2009 - 11:37 AM.

[Person]

I think the only possible evidence anyone would have to place LoZ and AoL on the AT is that there is a similar coastline. That's it. New Hyrule and the Old Hyrule are completely different animals. The Triforce and Ganon are buried underneath the ocean in TWW, and given that ST seems to have gone out of its way to avoid mentioning the Triforce at all, it seems that bit of the story arc is finished. Ganon's death quote in TP seems to indicate that all future games involving Ganon and the Triforce will be after TP instead of after TWW.

[-Kado-]

>> My reasoning is we don't really know the state of the Triforce at the end of TWW

Really? I haven't played Wind Waker in quite some time, but I could have sworn that after the ending scene where Link sets out with Tetra, they show the triforce scatter into 3 separate pieces.

>>I place LoZ/AoL in between ALttP/LA and the Oracle games.

The reason I don't do this is because at the end of ALttP, all 3 pieces of the triforce have been gathered, but in LoZ, only 2 pieces of the triforce have been claimed by the royal family, the last one residing in the Final Palace in AoL by that crazy gnome wizard.

>> It leaves up the question of how Ganon was resurrected after ALttP and took up the Triforce of Power, but those issues are in the AT as well.

I know most will argue that Ganondorf dies in the end of The Wind Waker, but I still think he's just sealed by the Master Sword's power in a stone prison, which would allow him to return from later in LoZ. But, even if that were not the case, he could still be a reincarnation in LoZ like he is in FSA.

>> However, I think the maps in LoZ/AoL really give credit to the idea that they could take place in the AT, seeing all the islands and coastlines and such. Geography is fickle at best in Hyrule, though.

That was my other, albeit weak, argument for LoZ coming last in the adult timeline. Lots of Ocean surrounding Hyrule.

[-Kado-]

I just read the instruction booklet for Zelda II again, and it seems I may have to put the two original Zeldas in the child timeline afterall, after ALttP. It says, "It is said that long ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained the peace of Hyrule using the triforce. However, the king too was a child of man and died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited eveything. But, he could inherit the triforce only in part." So, the triforce is indeed whole before this, which would place this game after ALttP. Also, in the letter that only Link can read, it goes on to say that the final triforce was hidden on purpose by who I am assuming to be the King of hyrule, though it never states who the author of this letter is. So I guess it is

Adult timeline: TMC - OoT - WW - PH - ST
Child timeline: TMC - OoT - MM - TP - FS - FSA - ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoX

So after ALttP there are a few possibilities concerning Ganon's fate.
1. Ganon doesn't actually die and resides in the Dark World to regain his strength.
2. Ganon is resurrected by unknown means at the beginning of LoZ.
3. The Ganon at the beginning of LoZ is a reincarnation, but that is unlikely seen as he already bears the title "Prince of Darkness"

The only thing missing is his trident, but I have heard that in the BS Zelda, he actually wields it, which would make sense if BS Zelda is considered canon. Can someone confirm this?

EDIT: Yup here it is. Ganon + Trident at the end of BS Zelda.

Edited by -Kado-, 17 December 2009 - 01:14 PM.

[Altum]

I think the only possible evidence anyone would have to place LoZ and AoL on the AT is that there is a similar coastline. That's it. New Hyrule and the Old Hyrule are completely different animals. The Triforce and Ganon are buried underneath the ocean in TWW, and given that ST seems to have gone out of its way to avoid mentioning the Triforce at all, it seems that bit of the story arc is finished. Ganon's death quote in TP seems to indicate that all future games involving Ganon and the Triforce will be after TP instead of after TWW.

Exactly what I've been thinking. TWW originally seemed to me like they were trying to bridge the gap between the maps of the original games and the new era of games, but all the other games in the AT seem to imply that Ganon and the Triforce are more or less history (despite the Triforce being around aesthetically, perhaps a tribute to New Hyrule's origins).

Really? I haven't played Wind Waker in quite some time, but I could have sworn that after the ending scene where Link sets out with Tetra, they show the triforce scatter into 3 separate pieces.

I think the Triforce rises up to the sky and disappears, which could mean anything for all we know. I don't remember it scattering, though it may have. Either way, PH and ST do their best to avoid the Triforce in any plot-context, other than Zelda's dress having the Triforce symbol on it, which may just be an acknowledgment of New Hyrule's past and the sacrifices made to get to their new home.

The reason I don't do this is because at the end of ALttP, all 3 pieces of the triforce have been gathered, but in LoZ, only 2 pieces of the triforce have been claimed by the royal family, the last one residing in the Final Palace in AoL by that crazy gnome wizard.

Well, the Triforce of Courage from AoL was actually hidden by the Royal Family, I believe, just like the Triforce of Wisdom in LoZ. The only one not with the Royal Family is the Triforce of Power in LoZ. However, LoZ's placement in either timeline will have to speculate as to how Ganon came back and got hold of the Triforce of Power. At least in the CT we know that the Triforce is still in play, and it can be safely assumed that we both agree that Ganon comes back post-TP thanks to FSA. We'd have to make a lot of assumptions to justify Ganon being in a timeline that he's been inactive in for quite some time, and same for the Triforce, which may not even be around anymore for all we know.

I know most will argue that Ganondorf dies in the end of The Wind Waker, but I still think he's just sealed by the Master Sword's power in a stone prison, which would allow him to return from later in LoZ. But, even if that were not the case, he could still be a reincarnation in LoZ like he is in FSA.

Creators said that Ganon died in TWW, but take that with a grain of salt. This is probably the one series where continuity is based more on the games than creator intention. However, the Master Sword is buried underwater with Ganon, and the heroes from TWW left the Great Sea afterwards to make a New Hyrule, leaving Ganon and his imprisonment behind. Also, the King wished for the old Hyrule to be washed away, which would probably include the Master Sword and Ganon and may even explain the Triforce leaving at the end of TWW (if it did really leave).

Plus, at least we know Ganon was resurrected/reborn in the CT. So far, the AT seems to point to the opposite.

That was my other, albeit weak, argument for LoZ coming last in the adult timeline. Lots of Ocean surrounding Hyrule.

Yeah, I agree with you there.

[Nerushi]

Plus, at least we know Ganon was resurrected/reborn in the CT. So far, the AT seems to point to the opposite.

From an unbiased perspective, I have to ask, which game are you referring to? I.e. about Ganon being reborn on the CT?

Edited by Nerushi, 17 December 2009 - 01:20 PM.

[Altum]

So after ALttP there are a few possibilities concerning Ganon's fate.
1. Ganon doesn't actually die and resides in the Dark World to regain his strength.
2. Ganon is resurrected by unknown means at the beginning of LoZ.
3. The Ganon at the beginning of LoZ is a reincarnation, but that is unlikely seen as he already bears the title "Prince of Darkness"

The only thing missing is his trident, but I have heard that in the BS Zelda, he actually wields it, which would make sense if BS Zelda is considered canon. Can someone confirm this?

EDIT: Yup here it is. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6sl4qV0BpN0 Ganon + Trident at the end of BS Zelda.

I hear people saying the Japanese wording was that Ganon was "perfectly destroyed" at the end of ALttP, but honestly, the Japanese I saw didn't read that way to me. I'd have to take a look again. I've seen people translate it different ways. I would wager that his soul/essence remained intact and was brought back into the fray somehow, either by his own power or some sort of resurrection. I believe the Ganon in ALttP to be the same as the one in LoZ/AoL, because I think ALttP was supposed to clear up the origins of different characters and the Triforce and put it all into some form of context

And I think BS Zelda had changes implemented by the person who wrote the scenarios for the games at the time. Forget his name, but I think he's still involved with the series to a large degree. May be mistaken, though. I'd consider them canon.

[Altum]

Plus, at least we know Ganon was resurrected/reborn in the CT. So far, the AT seems to point to the opposite.

From an unbiased perspective, I have to ask, which game are you referring to? I.e. about Ganon being reborn on the CT?

FSA. I place it on the CT personally after TP and before ALttP. I have my reasons for thinking this which I'm sure you've likely heard elsewhere. I can explain it if you want.

The reason I said "at least we know" is because at least my timeline and his are consistent on that part, not that it's 100% verified.

Edited by Altum, 17 December 2009 - 01:29 PM.

[Nerushi]

Plus, at least we know Ganon was resurrected/reborn in the CT. So far, the AT seems to point to the opposite.

From an unbiased perspective, I have to ask, which game are you referring to? I.e. about Ganon being reborn on the CT?

FSA. I place it on the CT personally after TP and before ALttP. I have my reasons for thinking this which I'm sure you've likely heard elsewhere. I can explain it if you want.

The reason I said "at least we know" is because at least my timeline and his are consistent on that part, not that it's 100% verified.

Oh I see. Never mind then. But I'd love to hear your reasoning for FSA placement. Not that it's an unusal placement for FSA... which it isn't. What's your view on the Dark Tribe in FSA and the Dark World shown in FSA?

[-Kado-]

Skip to 7:35 at the very end of the video. It shows the triforce scattering at the end of Wind Waker.



It doesn't apply to my timeline anymore, but just thought I'd share.

[MikePetersSucks]

That doesn't mean anything. The Triforce always scatters when it's dismissing itself, even when it's shifting dimensions. All that tells us is that the Triforce isn't floating above their heads in the scene. It could've scattered across the land, gone back to the Sacred Realm, or gone into outer space for all we know.

[Altum]

Oh I see. Never mind then. But I'd love to hear your reasoning for FSA placement. Not that it's an unusal placement for FSA... which it isn't. What's your view on the Dark Tribe in FSA and the Dark World shown in FSA?

Well, I feel FSA doesn't have a smooth fit anywhere (except it being related to TMC and FS, obviously). I think at the time of the remake of ALttP on the GBA, the Palace of the Four Sword was just a non-canon bonus dungeon. It was claimed to not be canon at the time TMC was being developed and that the FS series wasn't intended to tie in with the main series, but I think that FSA marked a change in intent regarding the FS spin-offs to bring the series into the canon (including possibly the palace).

I feel that the games post-TWW really have made an effort to show that Ganon was left behind in the AT, and I feel that ALttP was alluded to pretty strongly both by Ganon's dying words in TP and some of the other changes, like the Master Sword now being in the Lost Woods for whatever reason. However, having ALttP after Ganon very clearly died in TP is tricky. I think FSA offers an explanation for that, and I feel the plot was made to reflect the addition of the Palace of the Four Sword in ALttP's remake. It offers an excuse for Ganon to be back and at it after his apparent death, offers some justification for the bonus dungeon's presence, and ties in the FS series with the core series. Not to mention it shows the origins of the Trident (or at least "a trident") and features Twinrova, who I believe to be the same as OoT (obviously dead in the AT).

It's not a wildly unfamiliar theory, I'd wager. I just can't imagine it being part of the AT without the other 2D games following it, and it really just seems to contradict what the meaning of this "New Hyrule" is post-TWW.

The Dark Tribe seems similar to the Dark Interlopers. I imagine they may be one and the same, the ancestors of the Twili. I think the Zelda games throw around "dark" and "shadow" in names too much though. The Twili, the Sheikah, the Dark Tribe, the Dark Interlopers, the Majora's Mask tribe, they all have symbols/aesthetics linking them to at least one of the others listed and generally all have a relationship with the "dark" or "shadows."

As for the Dark World, that's tricky. The Dark World, at least to me, seems very similar in FSA to the one in ALttP, what with the ripple effect (what happening in one affecting the other) and the Moon Pearl's association with it. I once thought of the Sacred Realm as "timeless" to justify the fact that Ganon got the Triforce of Power in TP without anyone ever touching it. Like one Sacred Realm and one Triforce for both timelines, if that makes sense. If Ganon has the Triforce of Power in OoT and TWW, he'd have it in TP. I don't really know if I think that anymore, but it would allow for the Sacred Realm to be a Dark World before ALttP due to it being twisted in the AT, as well as Ganon's seeming immortality (at least in aging while sealed in the Sacred Realm). But, like I said, that's heavy speculation there and I can't say I'm really in favor of it anymore.

[-Kado-]

That doesn't mean anything. The Triforce always scatters when it's dismissing itself, even when it's shifting dimensions. All that tells us is that the Triforce isn't floating above their heads in the scene. It could've scattered across the land, gone back to the Sacred Realm, or gone into outer space for all we know.

Regardless, it no longer applies to my timeline.

[Showsni]

Hm, your timeline's a lot like mine except the other way around... By which I mean, ignoring the four swords games as they can go practically anywhere, yours has

(OoT - MM - TP/TWW series split) - (ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoX)

whereas mine is

(ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoX) - (OoT - MM - TP/TWW series split)

I think that makes more sense, as it allows the backstory of AoL to come much earlier (she is stated to be the first Zelda) and explains the triforce's location better; at the beginning of the ALttP backstory it's at least heavily impled the triforce has never left the Sacred Realm, whereas at the beginning of OoT it's clearly known about and people have built the Temple of Light to hold it and the ToT to seal the door.

[-Kado-]

Hm, your timeline's a lot like mine except the other way around... By which I mean, ignoring the four swords games as they can go practically anywhere, yours has

(OoT - MM - TP/TWW series split) - (ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoX)

whereas mine is

(ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoX) - (OoT - MM - TP/TWW series split)

I think that makes more sense, as it allows the backstory of AoL to come much earlier (she is stated to be the first Zelda) and explains the triforce's location better; at the beginning of the ALttP backstory it's at least heavily impled the triforce has never left the Sacred Realm, whereas at the beginning of OoT it's clearly known about and people have built the Temple of Light to hold it and the ToT to seal the door.

I think trying to make the Zelda Legend in AoL fit the timeline is kind of pointless. Just because the prince says "from this point on, all princesses will be named Zelda" that doesn't mean she's the first. I mean, Link ends up being named Link no matter what, despite there being no explanation for his name consistency, so I think it's just fate.

[Pinecove]

TMC - - OoT

The interloper wars are the same as the fierce wars which ended 10 years before OoT.

When did TMC take place?

[-Kado-]

TMC - - OoT

The interloper wars are the same as the fierce wars which ended 10 years before OoT.

When did TMC take place?

1. Show me proof that they're the same.

2. If you can prove it, TMC came before that.

Edited by -Kado-, 22 December 2009 - 12:35 PM.

[Altum]

1. Show me proof that they're the same.

I think it says in-game that the Interlopers pursuing the Sacred Realm more or less stirred up the civil war, and considering TP's backstory is mainly OoT, it's not a stretch to think the wars referenced in both aren't related or even the same.

[Pinecove]

1. Show me proof that they're the same.

混沌とし何もない世界に神々は　降臨し生命と秩序を造られ
The goddesses descended to the world of chaos where there was nothing at all, and created life and order.
When all was chaos, the goddesses descended and gave order and life to the world.

そして、全ての者達に平等に力を与え　天へお戻りになられた
And after granting power equally to all people, they returned to the heavens.
They granted power equally to all who dwelt in the light, and then returned to the heavens.

神々が最初に降り立った地は聖地と呼ばれ
The place where the goddesses first landed is called the holy land.
The lands where the goddesses descended came to be known as the Sacred Realm.

世界は長きにわたり信心深い者達の心で平安であった…
For a long time, the world was at peace, with people's hearts being deeply faithful…
For ages, the people lived at ease, content in mind and body…

しかし、やがて聖地ハイラルを巡り争いが起こった
But at length, a rivalry ensued over Hyrule, the holy land.
But soon, word of the Sacred Realm spread through Hyrule, and a great battle ensued…

人々の中に、魔術に長けた者達が現れ
In the midst of the people, persons who excelled at magic appeared.
Among those living in the light, interlopers who excelled at magic appeared.

強力な魔力によって聖地を治めようとした
With powerful sorcery, they tried to rule the holy land.
Wielding powerful sorcery, they tried to establish dominion over the Sacred Realm.

The interloper war is the same as the bloodshed war. The bloodshed war is the fierce war. I rest my case.

2. If you can prove it, TMC came before that.

TP says there was peace from creation untill the great war. TMC doesn't qualify as peace...at all.

[-Kado-]

Touché madame. So where do you think it can be placed then? It has to take place before Four swords/Adventure because it details the origins of the Four Sword, and I believe the Four Sword games come before any game where Ganon wields the Trident of Power. So could it take place after Twilight Princess? Are there any contradictory facts for that placement to be correct?

[Pinecove]

Touché madame. So where do you think it can be placed then? It has to take place before Four swords/Adventure because it details the origins of the Four Sword, and I believe the Four Sword games come before any game where Ganon wields the Trident of Power. So could it take place after Twilight Princess? Are there any contradictory facts for that placement to be correct?

Well despite TMC's problems with a pre-OoT placement, it DOES seem to be an origin story of sorts-whether that's on the child timeline or the adult timeline is up for debate however.

If TMC is post TP-It's an origin story for the Four sword games.
If TMC is post ST-It's an origin story for the adult timeline.

Either placement is good really.

[Average Gamer]

Destiny, Hyrule could have easily had numerous wars; in fact, Gor Coron mentions that Hyrule had numerous wars in TP. Also, seeing as how the platform that supports the Mirror of Twilight shows sign of damage over time even during Ganondorf's execution, it would appear that the Twili were sealed long before the OoT era.

[MikePetersSucks]

I don't see how the above quote in any way implies that the Interloper attack is the same as OOT's backstory. It's not like there was ever only one conflict over the Triforce, anyway.

[Nerushi]

The interloper war is the same as the bloodshed war. The bloodshed war is the fierce war. I rest my case.

Not good enough. The interloper war, as fanficcy that name is, isn't actually a war. In the midst of the fighting, a group of dark sorcerer shows up and trumps everyone else to the point that the light spirit had to seal them away. So there where people fighting before that, possibly over the Triforce/Sacred Realm. But nothing suggest that they keept fighting from that point up til OoT.

TP says there was peace from creation untill the great war. TMC doesn't qualify as peace...at all.

Depends. The people seem quite unaware of Vaati's mischiefs during TMC. But then again, for my personal timeline to work, I wouldn't put TMC-FS/FSA until after interloper conflict.

Touché madame.

Why do I get the feeling someone is not begin honest here?

Edited by Nerushi, 23 December 2009 - 06:17 PM.

[Pinecove]

Gor Coron mentions that Hyrule had numerous wars in TP.

Quote please?

Also, seeing as how the platform that supports the Mirror of Twilight shows sign of damage over time even during Ganondorf's execution, it would appear that the Twili were sealed long before the OoT era.

I never said the Interlopers were sealed immediately before OoT.

Not good enough. The interloper war, as fanficcy that name is, isn't actually a war. In the midst of the fighting, a group of dark sorcerer shows up and trumps everyone else to the point that the light spirit had to seal them away. So there where people fighting before that, possibly over the Triforce/Sacred Realm. But nothing suggest that they keept fighting from that point up til OoT.

Except OoT itself which states the fierce wars only ended 10 years or so before it.

Depends. The people seem quite unaware of Vaati's mischiefs during TMC. But then again, for my personal timeline to work, I wouldn't put TMC-FS/FSA until after interloper conflict.

Eh...the royal family seems pretty aware of it. And seeing as we're told this story by a light spirit, not a random person I'm pretty sure the facts are straight.

Why do I get the feeling someone is not begin honest here?

I beg your pardon?

Edited by Destiny, 23 December 2009 - 08:31 PM.

[Nerushi]

Except OoT itself which states the fierce wars only ended 10 years or so before it.

And they where fighting over... what? They could have picked up arms and started fighting at any point. Lanaryu's story implies normal people where fighting before the socerers arrived at the stage and apparently almost succeded before the light spirits arrived. What do you think the normal people was doing before the light spirit arrived? The scene itself implies they where either crushed, or became part of them ( see Link turing into ashes, and then begin a part of them. )

Lanaryus story ends there, but they could easily have stopped fighting right there, only to start begin the rivarly anew at another point. Imo, the war before OoT is a war against the Royal Family since they hold the secret to the Sacred Realm.

Eh...the royal family seems pretty aware of it. And seeing as we're told this story by a light spirit, not a random person I'm pretty sure the facts are straight.

Sure, whatever. It doesn't matter actually.

I beg your pardon?

A girl on the internet, never mind a Zelda theorizing board? Yeah right.

[Pinecove]

And they where fighting over... what? They could have picked up arms and started fighting at any point. Lanaryu's story implies normal people where fighting before the socerers arrived at the stage and apparently almost succeded before the light spirits arrived. What do you think the normal people was doing before the light spirit arrived? The scene itself implies they where either crushed, or became part of them ( see Link turing into ashes, and then begin a part of them. )

Lanaryus story ends there, but they could easily have stopped fighting right there, only to start begin the rivarly anew at another point. Imo, the war before OoT is a war against the Royal Family since they hold the secret to the Sacred Realm.

So in your opinion, TMC takes place after the Lanayru story but before the wars talked about in OoT? How come the people in TMC seem so at peace then? Furthermore how come they have knowledge of the Triforce? Also: I'm pretty sure I'm misspelling this but Ocam's razor-keep it simple. It's simpler to believe the wars last from near creation until OoT.

A girl on the internet, never mind a Zelda theorizing board? Yeah right.

I get that a lot. Please stop being sexist.

[Nerushi]

So in your opinion, TMC takes place after the Lanayru story but before the wars talked about in OoT? How come the people in TMC seem so at peace then? Furthermore how come they have knowledge of the Triforce? Also: I'm pretty sure I'm misspelling this but Ocam's razor-keep it simple. It's simpler to believe the wars last from near creation until OoT.

Like I said, prove they actually kept fighting from those apparently ancient times all the way til OoT. Occams Razor doesn't prove anything in this situation. Also, of course they would know about the Triforce. That is the whole idea. However, by the time of FSA, the Royal Family seem to have siezed most of the knowlegde behind it. If we say that the knowlegde of the Triforce is proportional to the numbers of symbols they have of them, that is, which is not an sound assumptation really...

I get that a lot. Please stop being sexist.

lol

[Average Gamer]

Quote please?

From the English version of TP since LA's translators never translated this:

That belonged to the tribe that protected the Hylian royal family long ago. They worked in secret, so they lived in a lonely, forgotten place. But I heard that tribe dwindled in the prolonged wars...

As you can see, Hyrule has had more than one war.

Except OoT itself which states the fierce wars only ended 10 years or so before it.

Actually, it was just one war that ended roughly a decade before OoT, not a series of wars.

Before the King of Hyrule had unified this country... there was a violent war.

Edited by Average Gamer, 24 December 2009 - 08:00 AM.