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[Erimgard]

Possibly to place an additional emphasis on it returning to the heavens. Also, the Triforce pieces begin to fly away from Ganon's Tower horizontally when the ocean first begins to drop, so they may not have even risen above the ocean.

So it both flew up all the way to the heavens and never made it above sea level? o.0

[Raien]

I've suggested that since the Triforce is the foundation of Hyrule, that it returned to the heavens as a symbol of Hyrule's destruction.

[MikePetersSucks]

What Raien said. The Triforce was essentially the reason for all of Hyrule's problems, and as long as it's there, people will continue to war over it. It probably returned to the Sacred Realm, and all of the portals to that world are in a land that is not utterly destroyed. New Hyrule is a land with a future unfettered by the past.

[ganonlord6000]

What Raien said. The Triforce was essentially the reason for all of Hyrule's problems, and as long as it's there, people will continue to war over it. It probably returned to the Sacred Realm, and all of the portals to that world are in a land that is not utterly destroyed. New Hyrule is a land with a future unfettered by the past.

Tell that who think that ST continues the triforce story. I think that it will just place all of the older games on the CT by default and destroy the single timeline forever.

[Average Gamer]

So it both flew up all the way to the heavens and never made it above sea level? o.0

No, I'm just mentioning two separate possibilities. If the Triforce did continue to rise, it was probably to better illustrate it returning to the heavens/Sacred Realm. If, as I mentioned in my previous post, the pieces actually did stop rising, they'd be inaccessible whether or not they stayed in the Light Realm or returned to the Sacred Realm.

[MikePetersSucks]

Tell that who think that ST continues the triforce story. I think that it will just place all of the older games on the CT by default and destroy the single timeline forever.

I've already disregarded the opinions of those ilk as trash a long time ago.

[Erimgard]

I've suggested that since the Triforce is the foundation of Hyrule, that it returned to the heavens as a symbol of Hyrule's destruction.

Seeing as aLttP's Japanese text says that the Triforce was left behind to maintain the order of the world (the same word "order" is the "essences" of OoX) I doubt they would remove it. It would throw the world out of order, as was the plot in the Oracles.

[Raien]

Seeing as aLttP's Japanese text says that the Triforce was left behind to maintain the order of the world (the same word "order" is the "essences" of OoX) I doubt they would remove it. It would throw the world out of order, as was the plot in the Oracles.

I know. I'm talking about symbolism; what the scene represents for the narrative, as opposed to what literally happened. I doubt the Triforce needed to fly up towards the heavens in order to enter another dimension. It could just as easily have exploded in a glitter of stars.

[Erimgard]

Well, we're interpreting symbolism in different ways. Just comes down to opinion at this time.
You interpret the flying upward to mean a return to the heavens.
I interpret it to signify that the Triforce is not part of the "washed away forever", and possibly part of the "hope for the future".

[Raien]

Or it could just have been going up to make the rain fall.

[MikePetersSucks]

Or it could've permanently sealed itself in the Sacred Realm so it could maintain reality while forever being beyond the reach of greedy tyrants, or something.

It would throw the world out of order, as was the plot in the Oracles.

....er...the Oracles are not Triforce pieces.

[SOAP]

I think you guys are all looking into TWW's ending far too deeply. The Triforce is only gone as far as Nintendo wants it to be. Whether it's buried underneath the ocean, transported back to the Sacred Realm, or up in the heavens chillin' with the Goddesses it doesn't matter. The next post-TWW game could have the Tranforce pices pieces randomly appear in someone's possesion much l;like the ToP apparently did with Ganon (and maybe Link) in TP. Just because the Triforce is gone for now doesn't maen the creators can't bring it back at a later date should the story call for it again. I mean we thought Hyrule was gone forever and whatever new land Link and Tetra find would NOT be Hyrule but look at ST!

[Raien]

I mean we thought Hyrule was gone forever and whatever new land Link and Tetra find would NOT be Hyrule but look at ST!

No one cared that the new land was called Hyrule, just the idea that the mainstays of Old Hyrule like Ganon and the Triforce would randomly appear there. That's what we mean when we say "This land is not Hyrule."

[SOAP]

I mean we thought Hyrule was gone forever and whatever new land Link and Tetra find would NOT be Hyrule but look at ST!

No one cared that the new land was called Hyrule, just the idea that the mainstays of Old Hyrule like Ganon and the Triforce would randomly appear there. That's what we mean when we say "This land is not Hyrule."

My point still stands. Whatever people take from TWW's ending, nothing is ever written in stone. It can always be undone in the next game.

[Raien]

My point still stands. Whatever people take from TWW's ending, nothing is ever written in stone. It can always be undone in the next game.

While that's true, it shouldn't be an excuse to ignore evidence. Right now, the evidence strongly suggests that ST won't be a continuation of the narrative tradition in classic Zelda games, and speculating that this trend could be undone one day doesn't change how the evidence currently stands.

[SOAP]

My point still stands. Whatever people take from TWW's ending, nothing is ever written in stone. It can always be undone in the next game.

While that's true, it shouldn't be an excuse to ignore evidence. Right now, the evidence strongly suggests that ST won't be a continuation of the narrative tradition in classic Zelda games, and speculating that this trend could be undone one day doesn't change how the evidence currently stands.

Unless ST somehow leads into the FS arc, I don't see how that's possible. The Triforce is still an integral part of the Zelda mythos and I don't see it going away completely altogether. At least not by one game. All I see is evidence of a hiatus in the triforce arc while Nintendo explores other ideas, possibly the Light Force.

Edited by SOAP, 02 December 2009 - 09:23 AM.

[Raien]

Unless ST somehow leads into the FS arc, I don't see how that's possible. The Triforce is still an integral part of the Zelda mythos and I don't see it going away completely altogether. At least not by one game. All I see is evidence of a hiatus in the triforce arc while Nintendo explores other ideas, possibly the Light Force.

After the release of TP, Nintendo have said multiple times that they wished to abandon the old plot points in favour of new stories. Is it really so hard to believe that they'd actually follow that through? The only two absolutely vital pieces of Zelda mythology are Link and Zelda, the two defining heroes of the story.

Furthermore, you forget that there are two timelines. We have one timeline set in Old Hyrule, where the classic series mainstays still have a place and purpose. We have a second timeline set in New Hyrule, where the classic series mainstays were destroyed in a flood. Why on earth should Nintendo go out of their way to retcon the entire point of TWW's ending when they could just use the other timeline?

And in addition, why are people so quick to overlook the events directly shown in TWW's ending in favour of vague interpretations of symbolism and an assumed importance of certain series elements? Nintendo really could not have done more, both symbollically and literally, to establish that Ganon was dead, buried deep under the ocean and the Triforce was lost to the heroes. Everything that Nintendo has done with the handheld games since then has only further strengthened that obvious message.

The fact is that timeline theorists are still falling into the usual trap of trying to fit the evidence around their theories rather than vice versa, and all they're doing is setting themselves up for disappointment every time a new Zelda game is released. While the theorists will be disappointed that Nintendo didn't connect ST to the FS trilogy, I'll just be enjoying the games knowing that I have a good ability to take quotes and messages at face value.

Edited by Raien, 02 December 2009 - 10:10 AM.