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#31 Reflectionist

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:27 AM

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Sorry, if that seemed rude. I truly am. I did give you fair warning though, remember? I did say i'm not as nice as arun in my apologetics.

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Does that make any sense?

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#32 Reflectionist

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 11:31 AM

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:22 PM

Basically, it's impossible not to sin (unless you're God).

If you sin, you will go to hell.

Jesus died in place of anyone who accepts that gift.

So, if you acknowledge that Jesus died for you, yor debt has been paid already so you won't go to hell.

Why not just acknowledge Jesus died for you? You've got nothing to lose, if you're a non-believer. Someone worked it out:

If there is no god, and you say you don't believe, you have lost nothing and gained nothing.

If there is no god, and you say you do believe, you have lost nothing and gained nothing.

If there is a god, and you say you don't believe, you have lost everything and gained nothing.

If there is a god, and you say you do believe, you have lost nothing and gained everything.

So you may as well say you believe whatever the case.

#34 Reflectionist

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 06:03 PM

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Showsni@Sep 21 2004, 04:22 PM
Why not just acknowledge Jesus died for you? You've got nothing to lose, if you're a non-believer. Someone worked it out:

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It was Blaise Pascal.

#36 Reflectionist

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 08:49 PM

Isn't that the woman who invented the first calculator?

I didn't know she did that too! Cool!

Thanks arunma, for fixing that!

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 08:55 PM

Pascal was a guy. He also did other things, but that wasn't one of them.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 09:00 PM

blaise sounds like a girls name... and besides... he looks like a girl anywa


my bad

anyway, it was my freshman year when I heard of him, so I don't know

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Reflectionist@Sep 21 2004, 07:03 PM
I think I first introduced that? Or, at least, I introduced it at some point... my sunday school teacher always would say that, because we were on the same evangelist team (yeah, we're protestants, irrelevant)

Everyone's born a sinner. Everyone is born a sinner because of... Adam. Adam sinned, and God was like "huh-uh, oh no you di'int" So, by reputation, the Human race are sinners. Many people have tried to get to heaven via other religions, but, you know those guys, muhammad, and what not, they're still dead.

Christ rose from the grave. That, is what Christianity is all about. If he didn't, did the disciples just pull all of that stuff about the Great Commision and whatnot out of their behinds?? I didn't think so.

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No, you're right. Its impossible to humanity to make such a ficticious story as eternal salvation. In fact, because we can't pull such storis out of our asses, stories such as the Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Ender's Game, I, Robot and other such tales ARE IN FACT TRUE. Yes, that's right. Humanity doesn't have the creativity to come up with such crazy stories, so they must have happened.



In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.


Reflectionist, I found your comments about non-Christians going to hell to be rather arrogant. You can voice your opinion here, but you can't preach. You can voice your opinion here, but you have to do it with some tact. You can voice your opinion here, but you cannot persecute other people. I notice a hit against Mohammad in your post.

This is an insult to the Muslim faith, and if Khuffie were to find out, I'm sure he'd be enraged, on a scale from mild to thoroughly.

arunma...I'm going to PM you about something, instead of putting it here. As there have been issues in the past.

Showsni... It is hard to pretend you believe something. For example, my best friend is dating the girl I'm in love with, and I am extremely hard-pressed to pretend I am happy with the situation. In reality, I'm quite miserable, and it taxes my energy to pretend I am happy. I seriously come home every day and pass out.

The point is, its hard to pretend you believe something you don't. You can say you do, but if God exists, he'll know you're lying (on account of the whole omniscient thing).

Anyway, I guess that's it for now.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 04:34 PM

Aah! So much blasphemy!

[quote]Originally posted by Bulmaro+-->
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Ah, well, I don't think the universe can justify its existence, it's just a nice and shiny decoration. It would be better if nothing existed, I don't think anything is really needed to esxist.
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You're kidding, right? You'd rather have not lived instead of living and then dying?

[quote]Originally posted by GraniteJJ@
No, you're right. Its impossible to humanity to make such a ficticious story as eternal salvation. In fact, because we can't pull such storis out of our asses, stories such as the Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Ender's Game, I, Robot and other such tales ARE IN FACT TRUE. Yes, that's right. Humanity doesn't have the creativity to come up with such crazy stories, so they must have happened.[/quote]

You do have a point, but I have yet to see proof that the Bible is fictitious. And if you can't prove that... then what are you basing your beliefs on?

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 04:53 PM

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:59 PM

Hero of Winds: I don't have proof that the Bible is fictitious...but thats the same amount of proof anyone has of an omnipotent God.

[quote]Originally posted by Reflectionist+-->
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I like your hypocrisy though...

Coming off sarcastic like that just makes me think you believe that the entire message of Christianity was pulled out of some guys ass in 1935. [/b][/quote]

Hypocrisy? You're insulting people. I make all my points through sarcastic analogy. Its how I am. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm pointing out that stories can be made up. Its not a foreign idea. I'm not saying the Bible is necessarily fake, but don't act like there isn't a remote possibility.

[quote]Originally posted by Reflectionist@
And, if anything, do not, repeat, DO NOT, put words into my mouth. Do NOT tell me that I am being insulting. I am not being insulting. You are. If you have the nerve to come into a CONTRO topic about Religion and then piss all over someone elses beliefs, then in all honesty, you ought to be shot. I, was just stating my beliefs, thank you very much. If you don't want to believe otherwise... fine. DON'T. show me where it says you have to, and then I might be a little nicer to you.[/quote]

Put words into your mouth. You were talking about Jesus rising from the dead and making something of his religion, not like Mohammad. That's insulting.

Controversial topics have rules too. Maybe you didn't notice him. They are up at the top of the page when you first come in here. Read them over. And I'm not pissing all over your beliefs. My policy is, and always has been, "Believe what makes you happy." Atheism makes me happy and secure. Christianity must make you happy and secure. So, I don't care if you believe it.

However, some preachy attitudes I don't tolerate. I don't try to convert people to atheism, because then they aren't believing what makes them happy. They're believing what makes me happy for them to believe...which is just dumb. You shouldn't believe what other people want you to believe...you should believe what you want to believe.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:05 PM

...fine.

I'm just trying to state my beliefs.

Apparently, i can't do so without stepping on people's toes..

Sorry for being an avid Christian.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:08 PM

Hahaha.... :D

Christianity cracks me up! What such convenient answers, that can't be proven...

Hilarious! :XD:

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:08 PM

There is nothing wrong with being an avid Christian. One of the moderators here is one. I'm a secluded, anti-social atheist and then Alak is...

Well, the point is, we have variety in the modship and participation here in Contro. The problem with that is, many people get offended when someone voices their beliefs as bluntly as saying "I think you're going to hell."

There is no problem with you voicing your opinions. Its how you voice them.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:30 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GraniteJJ+-->
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Well, the point is, we have variety in the modship[/b][/quote]

Pfft. Hardly. =P

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:36 PM

There, I'm a nice guy....

Hope no one is offended by my beliefs now.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:37 PM

OK, this is getting out of hand (famous last words before topic closure).

No, I won't close the topic. If Granite were in my place, he would, because he's strict with the rules (probably a good policy). But that's not my style, so let me set some ground rules.

First: No insulting Islam! For that matter, no insulting any religion. Glib remarks about the Islamic prophet and other such things can't be tolerated.

Second: People are allowed to state the beliefs of their respective religions, but be careful with wording. Christianity says that non-Christians go to hell, so you can say that. But use discretion. Don't say things that are clearly adversarial.

OK, everybody happy? If anyone starts trouble, the topic gets closed and yo asses are in jail.

...no, I'm not referring to anyone in specific with the jail thing.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:41 PM

I wasn't trying to insult Islam.

Just saying. Christians take pride in their religion because we believe that Jesus is the only religious leader still alive... Not trying to do any religion (or, lack thereof) bashing. okay?

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:43 PM

I know, Reflectionist. In fact, I agree with you. I'm just setting down the rules that EVERYONE has to follow.

Besides, how can we preach the Gospel if we don't do so with grace? I met this insane, anti-semitic, hellfire preacher on campus today, who was spewing blasphemies out of his @$$. He's gained one convert in 30 years.

I think I'll make a ranting thread about it later.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:49 PM

Originally posted by arunma@Sep 22 2004, 09:43 PM
I know, Reflectionist.  In fact, I agree with you.  I'm just setting down the rules that EVERYONE has to follow.

Besides, how can we preach the Gospel if we don't do so with grace?  I met this insane, anti-semitic, hellfire preacher on campus today, who was spewing blasphemies out of his @$$.  He's gained one convert in 30 years.

I think I'll make a ranting thread about it later.

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Arunma...your campus is messed up.

It is quite possible you go to the worst university on the planet will all the wierdos you have running around.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:54 PM

Maybe it's arunma that attracts the weirdos. :ph34r:

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:55 PM

Actually, it's neither. I rather like my university. But all college campuses are like this.

I attract big breasted girls...I wish.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:58 PM

Yeah, no kidding.

*see's HoW's Post*

Wait a second... I was referring to Granites Post.

Not to mention that time when you said there was a chick there with humungo female parts. *cough*


And, in a related story about weirdos on campus....

I am rumored (ew!) to have a crush on my former History Teacher... it all started with an offhand comment about her pregnancy.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:16 PM

Did you get your history teacher pregnant? :P

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:19 PM

Originally posted by arunma@Sep 22 2004, 10:16 PM
Did you get your history teacher pregnant? :P

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Was that the off hand comment about your teachers pregnancy?

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 10:15 PM

according to popular opinion... possibly...
according to me, uh... no.
according to her, she's married

according to the principal, lucky me.

(that's a no, she isn't bad though, she's about 26)

She just had a baby, so obviously, her figure isn't that good...

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 12:34 AM

EDIT BY ALAK: I know I'm WAY overstepping my authority here, but the MADNESS MUST END!

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 06:12 PM

Alak...did you erase his post because it was inappropriate, or because it was furthering off topic discussion?

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 07:52 PM

Probably both.
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