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[joeymartin64]

As in "The Dark World created by Ganon's twisting of the Sacred Realm."

Ah, I kinda thought so; you just kinda threw me by using the world "Realm" there.

Could be, in a sort of Greek mythology fashion. The words are the same, at any rate, and if you put OOX after LOZ/AOL like I do...

Sounds feasible enough, I guess. Could work any number of ways without screwing anything up majorly, though.

[bjamez7573]

First off, let me make this clear. I realize that the split timeline is par the course nowadays. I don't like the idea of split timeline, but I recognize that it's more or less inevitable and confirmed. I am not denying this. However, for my purposes, I have no need of a split timeline. What I'm trying to do is formulate a single, continuing timeline that does not employ the semi-official split-timeline theory and the even more official triangular timeline theory.

The subject of this is Ganondof, since what I'm trying to do is build a coherent history for him. This assumes several things:
A) There is only one Ganondorf.
B) Ganondorf and Ganon are the same entity, but in different form.
C) Ganondorf refers to the man; Ganon refers to the monster or man - but generally refers to the monster.
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-Timeline So Far-

(OoT - MM) > (TP) > (FS - FSA) > (ALttP - LA) > (TLoZ - TAoL) > (OoA - OoS) > (TWW - PH)

Good single timeline. Like MPS said, it works well with the exception of WW. Its funny how that's the only game (or TP, if you consider Showsni's timeline) that really creates problems with the single timeline. But why assume only one Ganondorf? Or are you just trying to make a timeline with only one Ganondorf in mind?

Points of Note
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-The Four Sword is found fragmented in the Pyramid of Power in A Link to the Past. If Ganon had escaped from the Four Sword, it would make sense he would keep it heavily guarded in a place nearby that he could watch.

Couldn't you also speculate that the Four Sword's resting place was in the Sacred Realm (since Link and Zelda were always using some kind of portal to reach the resting place of the Four Swords, at least from what I recall)? If it was, then perhaps Ganon escaped and then took the Triforce (since he was right there). This could explain the problems between FSA and the IW.

Therefore, LTTP Zelda is the Sleeping Zelda. Now shut up, Sleeping Zelda anal-retentives.

Sorry, too late

Problems
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-The Zelda origin story in The Adventure of Link is problematic. If she truly is the first Zelda, then the sleeping Zelda would have been asleep since before Ocarina of Time! However, given the coincidence of recurring incarnations of Link, Impa, Tingle, Malon, and others... the Zelda naming legend might not really be that relevant.

You could easily solve this problem if you placed LOZ/AOL first, before OOT. Although, it would be more difficult to explain the timeline with only one Ganondorf, but perhaps Ganondorf (who came back by...reincarnation? who knows) made peace (only to bide his time) with the King after he unified the country. Other than that, there is no difficulty placing LOZ/AOL first.

The back of the box of ALTTP did show it as a prequel, but that is an old reference and the GBA ALTTP makes no such references. I think the back of the box of ALTTP has been retconned.

I suppose you could just explain the names like all the others, but why not keep it if it doesn't present much problems?

Oracle Ganon, on the other hand is straight up GANON SMASH (not to be confused with GANNON-BANNED).

GANON SMASH? What do you mean by that?

Perhaps the idea of ganon is spread across many races, not just gerado, perhaps there was a ganon that was Hylian?

The hell did you get this from?

Maybe because LOZ's ganon has little background and his race is unconfirmed?

[GuardianNinja]

Perhaps the idea of ganon is spread across many races, not just gerado, perhaps there was a ganon that was Hylian?

The hell did you get this from?

Maybe because LOZ's ganon has little background and his race is unconfirmed?

Bingo, just as easily be another Ganon.

[Masamune]

You people have no imagination! No concept of narrative! No grasp of general badassery!

Just shoehorning a new Ganon in wherever you like because you can seems so... so... cheap. I don't care how justified it is. How can we be certain that there's only ever been one Triforce? Or one Master Sword? And if that's the case, how can we ever be certain that the games even happen in the same world?

[joeymartin64]

GANON SMASH? What do you mean by that?

Like Zelda says, mindless and raging.

Just shoehorning a new Ganon in wherever you like because you can seems so... so... cheap. I don't care how justified it is.

Essentially irreconcilable origin stories for two Ganondorfs? If you can justify them being the same guy, I'd love to hear it (because I don't like really like the idea of more than one Ganon either).

[GuardianNinja]

Theres more than one Link.
Theres more than one Zelda.
Theres more than one King.
Theres more than one Deku Tree.

I think you know what comes next..

[Masamune]

GANON SMASH? What do you mean by that?

Like Zelda says, mindless and raging.

Just shoehorning a new Ganon in wherever you like because you can seems so... so... cheap. I don't care how justified it is.

Essentially irreconcilable origin stories for two Ganondorfs? If you can justify them being the same guy, I'd love to hear it (because I don't like really like the idea of more than one Ganon either).

Technically Steve and I did that with the TToTT a long time ago. And we did that with one Link too!

But if you want one Ganon, well sir, I'll give it to you.

[joeymartin64]

Hey, you said you wanted one Ganon, too; I was just asking how you'd justify that. I offer you a once-in-a-lifetime chance*, and that's how you repay me? I am deeply, deeply insulted, sir**.

*Not really.
**Also not really.

[Masamune]

Hypothetically, you could move Four Swords/Four Swords Adventures to be the next games to fall after Ocarina of Time. When done in this way, the implication becomes one in which Ganondorf's attempt in Ocarina of Time 'never happened' (at least the future portion) and Four Sword Adventures becomes a retelling of the 'future' of Ocarina of Time. You could then decide whether it happened immediately after Majora's Mask or some twenty to fifty years later.

[Zola Revolution]

Apparently not. With some of the comments made by Miyamoto and Aonuma, the Four Swords goes after Minish Cap which goes after Phantom Hourglass in the child timeline.

[Masamune]

Aonuma also confirmed the Split Timeline, which I'm already disregarding for the sake of a Single Timeline.

[Zola Revolution]

Me too. I mean, I am now acknowledging the split theory, but I am not completely abanodoning my single timeline. In fact, sometimes when I look at it, the single timeline seems to make more sense. Maybe they don't consider it official yet. Mayber after a few more games, Aonuma will see the games fitting better together as one...?

Eh, only time will tell.

You can't prove anything happened yesterday. Now is the only thing that is real.

[Masamune]

I find it more likely that Aonuma would throw his hands in the air and declare there is no timeline before recanting the whole split timeline thing.

Unless they make like, a Crisis of Infinite Hyrules. That would be awesome.

[Zola Revolution]

Unfortunately, Aonuma has been found as saying that OT has 2 endings and that WW and TP parallel. However, that still doesn't make me abandon my original project.

[MikePetersSucks]

Apparently not. With some of the comments made by Miyamoto and Aonuma, the Four Swords goes after Minish Cap which goes after Phantom Hourglass in the child timeline.

Find me any comments that say "The Four Swords trilogy comes after Phantom Hourglass."

Unless they make like, a Crisis of Infinite Hyrules. That would be awesome.

WANT WANT WANT WANT.

[Zola Revolution]

One question. So, the Four Swords games (MC, FS, and FSA); do they all go right after one another?- I knew that FS and FSA go together, but I think it seems that MC goes several hundreds of years before FS.

[MikePetersSucks]

One question. So, the Four Swords games (MC, FS, and FSA); do they all go right after one another?- I knew that FS and FSA go together, but I think it seems that MC goes several hundreds of years before FS.

There is a generation gap between MC and FS, but I see no reason to put any games inbetween them.

[Zola Revolution]

OK. What about the Death Mountain to Mount Crenel to Death Mountain thing?

[Masamune]

Well. Look at The Adventure of Link. Look how much mountainous region "Death Mountain" takes place. The Lonely Mountain it ain't. There's no reason there couldn't be more than one mountain with a name there. Obviously Death Mountain moved in front of Mt. Crenel. Naturally, in any other context, that statement would be absolutely ludicrous.

But this is Zelda, so it's okay.

[Zola Revolution]

lol Yeah. Good explanation.

I always thought that there was a period where they changed the name--for some reason--and then they changed it back a couple of generations later. But I think that could be a possibility; especially since this is Zelda.

[MikePetersSucks]

I always considered geography to be 100% absolutely useless in timelining, since you have to consider that the game map is created for the sake of gameplay, not storytelling. Who gives a shit about the name of a mountain we'll never see again?

[Zola Revolution]

I give that shit because it's like having Mt. St. Helens there and then suddenly there is one called Mt. -I don't know- Mr. Potato and then suddenly you notice that its called Mt. St. Helens again. It'd be wierd. But for the sake of gameplay... I see that.

[MikePetersSucks]

It's no more weird than the Lost Woods moving to the other side of the country, Hylia Lake shifting around, or deserts forming out of nowhere and disappearing again.

[GuardianNinja]

MPS is completely correct in my opinion, the levels are designed to be ground breaking, not to follow suit. I also believe that some gameplay elements are different for this reason too.

[Zola Revolution]

It's no more weird than the Lost Woods moving to the other side of the country, Hylia Lake shifting around, or deserts forming out of nowhere and disappearing again.

True. True.

[Zola Revolution]

Forgive me Masamune, for I have used your guidelines in your first post on this thread but made a few changes. This was all to reevaluate my split timeline. I enhanced it to ten points to follow each story. If one point wasn't evident in one game, the point was left out. These are the ten points that I used to review my timeline:

1) Link
2) Tunic + Hat
3) Sword
4) Zelda
5) Villain
6) Races of Hyrule
7) Story connections
8) Possession of the Triforce
9) Legend of the Story
10) Geography of Hyrule

I have to say that my timeline has changed drastically after this reevaluation. Also, I can continue my single timeline (excluding Tact of Wind and Hourglass of Fantasy now) for the split yields to those two stories on the adult timeline after I was finished reevaluating. I have also confirmed, in this reevaluation, my theory that there is but one Ganon in the series.

However, all this still does not make mine absolute. I still present my timeline as theory and not as fact. So I am sure there is critisism to come on my new timeline, and I welcome a challenge.