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Poll: The Poll. (18 member(s) have cast votes)

Where should the 2D games go?

  1. In the Adult timeline (2 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  2. In the Child timeline (10 votes [58.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.82%

  3. Split between both timelines (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. In their own timeline (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  5. There is a single timeline (2 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  6. Not included/only some games included/other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 LionHarted

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:50 PM

IF YOU SEE THIS TOPIC ON OTHER BOARDS, PLEASE DO NOT PARTICIPATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF GATHERING ACCURATE COMMUNITY STATISTICS. PLEASE ONLY PARTICIPATE IN A TOPIC IN YOUR "HOME" COMMUNITY.


While the content on ZeldaWiki's timeline page is all very good, after a recent review I definitely think it could be much, much better. Considering the scale of the ZeldaWiki project, it surprises me how very little of it is dedicated to being a resource for theorists, particularly hardcore theorists. As such, I am going to be initiating a project of sorts, now coming to ZeldaLegends/LegendsAlliance, that will compile all topics applicable or integral to the development of timeline theories.

The first step of this project will be to ask theorists to give their personal timeline theories, their principal beliefs that found the theories, and any additional comments regarding series elements that are not game-specific. I must underline what I mean by "principal beliefs" and "not game-specific," and my reasons for instating this guideline.

By "principal beliefs," I refer to those beliefs that are essential to one's timeline. To clarify, I will give a few examples, some of them outdated.

Example 1: Single or split?
Prior to the infamous TP interview, this was one of the biggest points of contention among theorists, and usually the one that determined the scope of most theories. Although some do still hold single timelines, most hold split ones. Single and split would be examples of principal beliefs.

Example 2: 2D games in Adult or Child timeline?
This is one of the more modern schisms with respect to the timeline. Do the 2D games take place after TWW, in a new Hyrule? Or do they take place after TP, with a second invasion of the Sacred Realm?

Example 3: Is OoT the IW, or is the IW a separate event?
This is one of the kingpins of a lot of people’s timelines as well, as it often determines theorists’ views on where the 2D games should be placed. Is OoT still the IW of ALttP, despite the death of OoT Ganon in both known timelines? Or is the IW a separate standalone event taking place some time before ALttP?

By “not game-specific,” I refer to those beliefs that tell us about concepts spanning multiple games, such as whether all or any of the magic mirrors are the same, whether all incarnations of Ganon are revivals, and the nature of the Dark World with respect to the timeline. Only introduce these views as they pertain to your timeline. The question of Ganon specifically is one I would like addressed in all posts.

Do NOT present evidence in these posts to justify your beliefs. This poll exists purely to document what people’s theories are; the questions of justification will be addressed later. I’ll show an example of how I want these to be presented at the end of this post.

Please present your theories as concisely as possible (this means you, Impossible :P). These theories are all going to be compiled on one page of the Wiki, and so to keep the page as clutter-free as possible I would like to keep all the timeline synopses compact (hence my strict request for no evidence; these theories are all going to be posted verbatim). Also, please include a title for your theory. You do not have to include your name in the title, but it will be added nonetheless to attribute credit to you.

Also, I have included a poll for the purpose of calculating the popularity of particular views by community. This particular poll asks about the placement of the 2D games.

Additional notes: (1) Please, please, please use good grammar and syntax. I'm starting this project because I want to stay involved in timeline discussion, but don't really have time to be hardcore involved. That's why I'm starting a project that is almost entirely based on community input, that is, one that requires pure data entry on my part. Having to edit your theories for grammar and syntactical errors means more time I have to spend on it, which defeats the purpose of the undertaking in the first place. (2) If your timeline is a single timeline, do not be discouraged from posting it or voting on the poll. Please state how you view the relationship between MM, TP, and TWW in your post. (3) I would much appreciate it if no discussion of the timelines posted here took place in this topic. Feel free to make your own thread if you wish to do so. I will not protest, complain to mods, or rent-a-mod if it takes place, but please do not abuse this leniency. This is something I must desperately insist with respect to these boards.

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Lexxi’s New Hylian Kingdom Theory

OoT/MM-TP
OoT-TWW/PH-LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA-TMC-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA

  • The kingdom of LoZ/AoL is founded on the islands of the Great Sea, made larger and brought together by the Deku Tree and christened with the Triforce’s blessing at the end of AoL.
  • The Master Sword is either found or reforged in OoS/OoA.
  • The Triforce returns to the Sacred Realm after OoS/OoA.
  • The Light Force is a powerful Force Gem introduced after the Triforce leaves the new Hyrule.
  • The Dark Mirror from FSA is the Mirror of Twilight from TP.
  • The Four Sword is sealed in the Sacred Realm by the maidens after FSA.
  • OoT is the IW of ALttP, and TP’s prolonged wars are the wars told as leading up to the IW.
  • The demon Ganon is one entity throughout the entire series, taking on multiple incarnations over time.

Edited by LionHarted, 28 April 2008 - 01:03 PM.


#2 Jumbie

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 08:15 PM

This is a good project, Lex.
In the poll, I voted "in their own timeline".

So I'll give it a try, though I must say that my timeline isn't fix and might be reworked at any time. I'll just state my general principles that probably shouldn't change in the near future:

Jumbie's Split Gaiden Theory

Adult timeline: TMC > OoT > TWW+PH
Child timeline: TMC > OoT > MM > TP
Gaiden timeline: TMC > OoT > ALttP(+LA)+AST > OoX(+LA) > FS+FSA > LoZ+AoL

  • The Wind People from TMC are the Sky People from TP.
  • TP's prolonged wars are when the Twili's ancestors were banished, and the same wars from ALttP's manual.
  • In a third timeline, Link is absent when Ganondorf takes the Triforce, so the Seal War unfolds instead.
  • The Dark Mirror from FSA is the Mirror of Twilight from TP.
  • Ganondorf and Vaati have the same right to be reborn as new persons as any other Hyrulian.

Edited by Jumbie, 02 May 2008 - 08:21 PM.


#3 LionHarted

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 02:19 PM

Could you give a single-sentence explanation for why the third timeline exists (as opposed to just what happens within it)?

I think I've discussed this with you before, but admittedly I forgot.

And they can be revised at any time.

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 05:14 PM

Because it's the only way to reconcile the belief that OoT is the Seal War with TP and TWW.

#5 Chaltab

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 07:04 PM

I voted for 'there is one timeline' though I just have a gag Adult Timeline for the heck of it.

Chaltab's Theory

Adult Timeline: TMC - OOT - Zelda Cartoon - CDi Zelda
Child Timeline: TMC - OOT/MM - TP - TWW/PH - FS/FSA - OOX/LA/ALTTP - AST - LOZ/AOL

  • The Wind People from TMC are the Sky People from TP.
  • A war broke out days after Ocarina of Time's final scene. Ganondorf tried to obtain the Triforce and was captured and executed, resurrected, and sealed in the Twilight realm. It's legend was later appended onto the Seal War.
  • A new Hyrule was founded after the flood, either on a new continent or by the Great Deku Tree's plan.
  • The Dark Mirror from FSA is an attempted replica or re-forging of the Twilight Mirror from TP, and contains the Twili.
  • Tbe Dark World from FSA is the same as the spread of Twilight in the first half of TP.
  • Ganondorf from the Adult Timeline is the Ganondorf of TWW. He circumvents the original seal and a second one is placed on his power via the Master Sword. Then he dies from severe cranial trauma.
  • The Ganondorf of TP is given the Triforce of Power by the sealed Ganon from the Adult Timeline.
  • The 'latter half' of the Seal War was FSA; it's legend was combined with the ancient stories of Ganon forming the version we read in the ALTTP manual. That reincarnated Ganondorf became Ganon upon obtaining the Trident, which is of uncertain origin.
  • Oracle takes place before Link's Awakening and ALTTP; The Wind Fish's dream contains elements of prophecy--Aghanim and the full-fledged return of Ganon.)
  • The scroll in AOL's manual was written over several generations and has multiple authors.

Edited by Chaltab, 03 May 2008 - 07:06 PM.


#6 SteveT

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 11:44 PM

The Triforce of Time Theory

OoT > MM > TP > FPTRRL (the Tingle RPG) > LttP > TWW > PH >TMC > Oracles > FS > FS > LA > LoZ > AoL > OoT

- Single Link (basically)
- Time is cyclical (and triangular)
- LttP happens chronologically before TWW, but after PH from Link's point of view. LttP supercedes TWW's backstory, and TWW and PH are deleted from history by LttP.
- Single Ganondorf/Ganon; FSA is his origin
- Multiple Zeldas
- Link suffers from chronic amnesia
- Link is the son of Link and the TAoL's Zelda
- Link becomes Tingle

Edited by SteveT, 05 May 2008 - 10:05 AM.


#7 LionHarted

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 08:40 AM

Because it's the only way to reconcile the belief that OoT is the Seal War with TP and TWW.


Why in an in-continuity sense, not in a "why I want this to be true" sense.

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 05:45 PM

Could you give a single-sentence explanation for why the third timeline exists (as opposed to just what happens within it)?

Sorry, but that's not within my power. I can give a single-word explanation though: Aonuma. ;)

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 06:35 PM

TP's the only one in the split timeline... Poor thing. I'd try and shoehorn it into the main timeline, but then I'd have to put it before OoT. I (still) haven't finished FPTRR.

IW-ALttP-LA-KnS-SZ-TMC-FS-FSA-LoZ-AoL-OoX-OoT-MM-TWW-PH
-------------------------------------------------------------TP

- The IW happens exactly as in the ALttP manual, and is no connection to OoT. (Other than the sages in OoT probably getting the idea from the earlier event).
- Sleeping Zelda is named after ALttP Zelda, probably a daughter or grand daughter.
- I have three Ganondorfs in my timeline; IW-ALttP, FSA-OoX and OoT-TWW/TP.
- After OoX, the triforce is sealed in the SR as people realise Ganondorf might try to return again. The newly rediscovered Master Sword is used to seal it, and the ToT is built.
- The whole of OoT occurs in the normal timeline; Link doesn't change the future in any way after Zelda sends him back.
- OoT time travel occurs in spirit only; Link's spirit travels through time, inhabiting his older or younger body. Thus, for Link's spirit, he leaves for Termina after having defeated Ganon in the future, then returns just before his younger self first inhabits his older body.
- Hyrule is never unflooded.





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