i thought this place would be better for this than the other Zelda forum, as non of the games give a clear image on how it was made/where it came from... any speculations? im curious as to what you guys figure to be the best explanation for his trident
a question concerning ganons trident
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 10:44 AM
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When you make it to the end of the pyramid stage in FSA you see the pedestal where the trident was. If you look at the indentation of pedestal you see that it looks like one of the weapons that the Ganon from OOT had. So i think that it might have been one of those. I'm trying to look for a screenshot of it but having no luck at the moment.<_<
I found this pic. I just can't find a pic of Ganon from OOT good enough to compare it to.
I found this pic. I just can't find a pic of Ganon from OOT good enough to compare it to.
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 12:15 PM
If you're looking at OoT, Phantom Ganon uses a trident like weapon, though it's more of a halberd, can't remember the Japanese name for it...
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/z5.php?page=z5bosses
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/z5.php?page=z5bosses
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 03:21 PM
In a room inside the Pyramid in FSA the Red Maiden will translate some obscure writing on some large rocks. Basically, the ancient evils of the world placed a black-magic trident on the platform for a power-hungry megalomaniac to find. The trident has the power of darkness, the power to ruin the world. Whoever holds the trident is the King of Darkness.
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 07:53 PM
Well...I guess Ganon isn't the Epitome of Evil after all. although I thought the Trident contained the power of a demon after it was vanguished O.o
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Posted 21 October 2004 - 09:06 AM
yeah, we definitely have 3 different weapons.. the trident, the almost sai-like swords from OoT and in that pedestal, and the (i'd call it a lance) spear that phantom ganon had in OoT...
plus the big-ass scimitar that SSBM/Spaceworld ganondorf and tWW phantom ganon have. ^^' so that makes 4..
And OoT ganondorf had a little dagger he never used.. just like impa and sheik (in one piece of art) had and never used.
plus the big-ass scimitar that SSBM/Spaceworld ganondorf and tWW phantom ganon have. ^^' so that makes 4..
And OoT ganondorf had a little dagger he never used.. just like impa and sheik (in one piece of art) had and never used.
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Well...I guess Ganon isn't the Epitome of Evil after all. although I thought the Trident contained the power of a demon after it was vanguished O.o
Well it could've been left by the previous Ganon (the one shown the MC stain glass intro or something else)...just as FSA implies, the Ganon in FSA could be the spirit of a demon reborn. a.k.a the reborn previous Ganon.
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Alright, it's time for BlackHawk's boring research report, that's what I do best.
The trident in the Zelda series is most likely derived from the Christian association of the trident with the devil, and as a general symbol of evil (the devil is often seen with the trident as his sceptre). Or with the Hindu god Shiva, this in fact is likely due to the fact that Ganon is often seen throwing his trident, as Shiva. Another, and just as likely reference is to the Roman Gladiators, who would first ensnare their opponent in a net, and then finish them off with the trident.
Hope you all stayed awake, it's like being back in school isn't it?
The trident in the Zelda series is most likely derived from the Christian association of the trident with the devil, and as a general symbol of evil (the devil is often seen with the trident as his sceptre). Or with the Hindu god Shiva, this in fact is likely due to the fact that Ganon is often seen throwing his trident, as Shiva. Another, and just as likely reference is to the Roman Gladiators, who would first ensnare their opponent in a net, and then finish them off with the trident.
Hope you all stayed awake, it's like being back in school isn't it?
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 08:43 AM
i did see that in FSA, but that is what got me thinking as to where it originally came from. it says it was placed there by the ancient evils, but never hints as to how it was created, hopefully sometime soon there will be a LoZ to shine more light on it
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 08:24 PM
The inscription that is next to the Trident seems to suggest that it's an ancient weapon that will give power to the one who wields it. Maybe Ganon created it, since it seems like he lives inside it.
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I can see the reference to the Devil bit, but I seriously doubt any of the other connections.
A) Ganon is no gladiator, and never throws a net, so that's just...a trident fact minus any connection.
B) Ganon's throwing move is hardly how one would throw a trident in real life. Personally, I think they just had him throw the trident to bring a little variety to the mean piggy's attacks, having no connection to Shiva in mind. Basically, I think you're giving the programmers too much credit for symbolism, where in fact there is none. It's like a hippie art teacher who finds the greatest symbolism in a piece of crap you threw together in five minutes to make a grade. That's not to say that Zelda was thrown together in five minutes, nor that it's crap; I'm talking merely about the throwing of the trident.
Also, Ganon uses the Trident only twice (I think), and that's in ALttP and FSA. The blades he uses at the end of OoT come from nowhere, and while they have forked heads, they're more like big knives than a trident, plus there are two of them. So I wouldn't really draw a connection between that Ganon and the trident.
I really hate to say it, but they keep hinting at a fourth god of some sort, or at least a Devil-like figure (someone who is not a mortal and opposes the forces of good). I mean, if truth, love, and justice are essences of the universe granted by the three goddesses, where did all this evil influence come from? Just look at OoT and FSA. Both have temples devoted to a dark god, or at least dark powers. Heck, even Majora hints at the existence of a dark god, if indeed it's reflection could be found in Hyrule.
A) Ganon is no gladiator, and never throws a net, so that's just...a trident fact minus any connection.
B) Ganon's throwing move is hardly how one would throw a trident in real life. Personally, I think they just had him throw the trident to bring a little variety to the mean piggy's attacks, having no connection to Shiva in mind. Basically, I think you're giving the programmers too much credit for symbolism, where in fact there is none. It's like a hippie art teacher who finds the greatest symbolism in a piece of crap you threw together in five minutes to make a grade. That's not to say that Zelda was thrown together in five minutes, nor that it's crap; I'm talking merely about the throwing of the trident.
Also, Ganon uses the Trident only twice (I think), and that's in ALttP and FSA. The blades he uses at the end of OoT come from nowhere, and while they have forked heads, they're more like big knives than a trident, plus there are two of them. So I wouldn't really draw a connection between that Ganon and the trident.
I really hate to say it, but they keep hinting at a fourth god of some sort, or at least a Devil-like figure (someone who is not a mortal and opposes the forces of good). I mean, if truth, love, and justice are essences of the universe granted by the three goddesses, where did all this evil influence come from? Just look at OoT and FSA. Both have temples devoted to a dark god, or at least dark powers. Heck, even Majora hints at the existence of a dark god, if indeed it's reflection could be found in Hyrule.
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Alright, I'll admit that perhaps I'm drawing too many connections, but they all work. Even if the creators never intended for the references to be there they still are. The reference to the devil, as you said, is obvious. As for the Gladiator, it's a simple connection of Ganon being a ruthless warrior, no need for there to be a net. The reference to Shiva is actually pretty far fetched, I didn't say they all were set in stone, simply informative. Shiva, as the God of destruction (I believe that's what it is) fits pretty well, and as far as throwing the trident, I know it's different than a real life throw, but it's still a throw nonetheless. I don't want to force these on anybody, and honestly, references to other sources don't really matter much in the end, they're simply fun to know.
And it actually could be said that there is a god for each of the temples, I mean why even build them if you don't use them for anything? That would make a lot of Gods, though they would probably simply be lesser dieties, since there's never any direct reference to most of them.
And it actually could be said that there is a god for each of the temples, I mean why even build them if you don't use them for anything? That would make a lot of Gods, though they would probably simply be lesser dieties, since there's never any direct reference to most of them.
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Yea, we do have to take into account all these different species, and even several ethnicities in one race have several religions of their own. Just imagine...
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Well...
We can't say much for the Trident except it GIVES GANON HIS POWERS...meaning this may have been the time he gained all his powers. And that is has ancient evil in it.
Some people in here think the Trident has the powers from the evil in TMC. Well..I don't really see Ganondorf in TMC..looks mostly Vaati based. We cant say much for TMC either..it could come after MM..not before FS. And in this interview:
http://www.gameinfor....1915.59084.htm
Aonuma says FS is the first in the timeline. Or earliest. And HA comes "some time" after that. So..its kinda strange how the events of FS,HA,and TMC are put in order.
Then again..maybe TMC comes before them all. In some japanese interview, they said TMC is the story of how Link gets his green hat. This could very well say that FS and HA are before OoT and how Link got his hat in those games.
So, lets just use what HA gives us about the Trident.
We can't say much for the Trident except it GIVES GANON HIS POWERS...meaning this may have been the time he gained all his powers. And that is has ancient evil in it.
Some people in here think the Trident has the powers from the evil in TMC. Well..I don't really see Ganondorf in TMC..looks mostly Vaati based. We cant say much for TMC either..it could come after MM..not before FS. And in this interview:
http://www.gameinfor....1915.59084.htm
Aonuma says FS is the first in the timeline. Or earliest. And HA comes "some time" after that. So..its kinda strange how the events of FS,HA,and TMC are put in order.
Then again..maybe TMC comes before them all. In some japanese interview, they said TMC is the story of how Link gets his green hat. This could very well say that FS and HA are before OoT and how Link got his hat in those games.
So, lets just use what HA gives us about the Trident.
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Alright, MC comes before FS which comes directly before FSA. MC Link is a different one, and probably the one spoken of in FS as the boy who defeated Vaati for the first time.
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How can you be so sure the MC Link is a diffrent one from FS? There still isn't enough proof. The wandering person in the FS booklet could be someone else that defeated Vaati. And we still don't know where TMC takes place. So, no one can go into that really..
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 12:21 PM
It takes place in Hyrule. we know that. and Vaati in TMC is still human, not some one eyed demon that's been sealed away for centuries. also, FS Link doesn't have a talking bird hat that changes his size. It's the perfect setting for the backstory.
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Well...
We can't say much for the Trident except it GIVES GANON HIS POWERS...meaning this may have been the time he gained all his powers. And that is has ancient evil in it.
Some people in here think the Trident has the powers from the evil in TMC. Well..I don't really see Ganondorf in TMC..looks mostly Vaati based. We cant say much for TMC either..it could come after MM..not before FS.
Well, we do see a glimpse of Ganon in the MC backstory, which refers to the hero back then (an even earlier Link with no cap--"hero of men") that hero was fighting a beast similar in looks to Ganon's pig form--only this one was red looking.
Perhaps we can look at The MC and FSA ,and any further games that may be related (when I say related I mean FS/MC format type games), as stories that happen to mention the orgins of key Zelda elements.
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Ganondorf's monster form is identical to that of the Moblin King of Oracles, just thought I'd point that out. ALso, with the release of MC a lot of the above theories may well have been discredited.
Another thing, could the ancient evil by the Nightmare of LA? He said he was ancient and fit all the criteria for etheral evil's, a big black eternal shadow much like a god...
Another thing, could the ancient evil by the Nightmare of LA? He said he was ancient and fit all the criteria for etheral evil's, a big black eternal shadow much like a god...
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not exactly the same.. ganon is still a lot scarier and stuff than the moblin king.
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I think the Trident is a relic of an ancient race - not left behind by a previous Ganon or something.
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Ganondorf's monster form is identical to that of the Moblin King of Oracles, just thought I'd point that out. ALso, with the release of MC a lot of the above theories may well have been discredited.
Another thing, could the ancient evil by the Nightmare of LA? He said he was ancient and fit all the criteria for etheral evil's, a big black eternal shadow much like a god...
LA was 'supposed' to just be a dream; nothing more. So there was no REAL evil in it. It was all 'supposedly' in Link's little head. Whether that's true or not now, well, I dunno.
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The wandering person in the FS booklet could be someone else that defeated Vaati.
Not likely. TMC features the creation of the Four Sword and the first appearance of Vaati. The FS backstory would have to happen sometime between TMC and FS.
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And it actually could be said that there is a god for each of the temples, I mean why even build them if you don't use them for anything? That would make a lot of Gods, though they would probably simply be lesser dieties, since there's never any direct reference to most of them.
OoT seemed to associate the temples with the relevant spirits. Saria talked about the Forest Spirits calling her to the Forest Temple, and how she could communicate with the Forest Spirits in the Sacred Forest Meadow. Darunia told you that the Fire Medallion contained the power of the fire spirits, and his friendship (or something like that); Kaepora Gaebora tells you how the Zora worship the Water Spirits in the Water Temple; the Shadow Temple was home to the evil Shadow Spirit... But what about the Spirit Temple? Spirit spirits doesnt make sense... lol
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Um...the Spirit temple could be a temple to honor the dead, or summat. and there's always that Sand Goddess thing it has goin' on.
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Let's see exactly what the ancient inscription was translated into by the Red Maiden.
Hm? That writing on those large rocks...It's in an acient tounge...Let's see if I can read it. Seek...you...the world? Seek you...power? Does your...soul...despise peace and...thirst for..more? Does your soul...cry...for destruction and...conquest? We...grant you...power to...ruin the world. The power of...darkness. Evil...spirit of the magic trident. You are...the...King of Darkness. Evil Spirit...Spirit of Magic? Trident? This indentation is the shape of a weapon. Do you think that person who took this trident was...Ganondorf?!? The King of Darkness is not Vaati!? Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now? Link! The situation is even more desperate than I believed! We must hurry!
That is what she said. The Zuna tribe remember somewhat of the legend, but they couldn't remember if the pyramid held a sacred weapon of good, or was a holding an ominous force of darkness. The Gerudos also stated that the pyramid was sacred to them, but Ganondorf, the scourge as they called him in this game, stormed thier precious pyramid and stole a treasure for his own dark ambitions.
Also when Zelda seen a patch of darkness (which was Ganon getting ready to take form), she noted that the raw patch of darkness was deeper than the blackest night. It was so evil she stated that she couldn't breathe and that the very air around her was growing thin and dying. Being around a force of darkness so powerful that it takes the very air you breathe from you has to be force to reckon with.
Not trying to stray off topic too much, but I noticed that someone made mention of the resmeblence of Moblins and Ganon. Actually Moblins were not pig like creatures when they were first released on the Legend of Zelda. They were bulldog like creatures, and they appeared this way in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, and also in the Ocarina of Time, but recently we have seen pig moblins, as such in games like the Oracle Series and the Wind Waker, however I prefer the bulldog ones, because that way Ganon has a distinction of his own from all other monsters on Hyrule that way.
Now going back on topic BlackHawkA100 mentioned something about the Devil, and his similarities with Ganon and his trident. While I am not actually going to agree with that, I will mention though that the Devil was mentioned in Majora's Mask. Though of course this is not the Christian Devil, there is still a mention of a Devil in Majora's Mask. I think someone near Ikana Canyon mentions it. I'll have to look up on that again and get back to you guys.
As far as Minish Cap things go, well I can't put my two cents in just yet because the game has yet to have shipped in the United States, but once it does I'll give my thoughts on that as well.
Hm? That writing on those large rocks...It's in an acient tounge...Let's see if I can read it. Seek...you...the world? Seek you...power? Does your...soul...despise peace and...thirst for..more? Does your soul...cry...for destruction and...conquest? We...grant you...power to...ruin the world. The power of...darkness. Evil...spirit of the magic trident. You are...the...King of Darkness. Evil Spirit...Spirit of Magic? Trident? This indentation is the shape of a weapon. Do you think that person who took this trident was...Ganondorf?!? The King of Darkness is not Vaati!? Does this mean this wicked man is somewhere in Hyrule plotting even now? Link! The situation is even more desperate than I believed! We must hurry!
That is what she said. The Zuna tribe remember somewhat of the legend, but they couldn't remember if the pyramid held a sacred weapon of good, or was a holding an ominous force of darkness. The Gerudos also stated that the pyramid was sacred to them, but Ganondorf, the scourge as they called him in this game, stormed thier precious pyramid and stole a treasure for his own dark ambitions.
Also when Zelda seen a patch of darkness (which was Ganon getting ready to take form), she noted that the raw patch of darkness was deeper than the blackest night. It was so evil she stated that she couldn't breathe and that the very air around her was growing thin and dying. Being around a force of darkness so powerful that it takes the very air you breathe from you has to be force to reckon with.
Not trying to stray off topic too much, but I noticed that someone made mention of the resmeblence of Moblins and Ganon. Actually Moblins were not pig like creatures when they were first released on the Legend of Zelda. They were bulldog like creatures, and they appeared this way in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, and also in the Ocarina of Time, but recently we have seen pig moblins, as such in games like the Oracle Series and the Wind Waker, however I prefer the bulldog ones, because that way Ganon has a distinction of his own from all other monsters on Hyrule that way.
Now going back on topic BlackHawkA100 mentioned something about the Devil, and his similarities with Ganon and his trident. While I am not actually going to agree with that, I will mention though that the Devil was mentioned in Majora's Mask. Though of course this is not the Christian Devil, there is still a mention of a Devil in Majora's Mask. I think someone near Ikana Canyon mentions it. I'll have to look up on that again and get back to you guys.
As far as Minish Cap things go, well I can't put my two cents in just yet because the game has yet to have shipped in the United States, but once it does I'll give my thoughts on that as well.
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People have said this time and again, and I have to restate that (IMO at least) the Moriblins and other -blins have always looked rather like Ganon himself, which is not -distinctly- any one animal, but an anthropomorphic amalgamation of a few. Some Moriblins are a little more piggish than others, and some are more doggish, but in the end they're about the same. (OoT's are a nice transitional form between LoZ and ALttP. Check it out!
Who's to say that the trident isn't perhaps independent of Ganon? It was created separately to aid evil in general, and it's a coincidence that Ganon got it. It explains tridentless Ganons nicely.
Who's to say that the trident isn't perhaps independent of Ganon? It was created separately to aid evil in general, and it's a coincidence that Ganon got it. It explains tridentless Ganons nicely.
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I never near the baddies in the Sacred Forest Meadow were Moblins until I was told years after playing OoT. I thought they were men.
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LA was 'supposed' to just be a dream; nothing more. So there was no REAL evil in it. It was all 'supposedly' in Link's little head. Whether that's true or not now, well, I dunno.
Actually, LA wasn't 'just' a dream that Link was having - Link was caught in the dream of the Wind Fish, who seems to be some kind of god-like figure. The exact make-up of Kohilint was never really explained - was the Wind Fish able to give physical reality to his dreams? Was Link asleep and sharing the Wind Fish's dream? Was Kohilint not a part of the 'real world' but still a 'physical' place where Link and the Wind Fish were trapped? The Wind Fish is seen flying over head in the ending, so it can be assumed that he has physical reality. Consequently, the evil was real, it was just that it was a part of the Wind Fish's dream - it seemed to be an abberent part of the Wind Fish's subconcious, a dream that wanted to continue to exist - note the Nightmare's final lines 'This island is going to disappear... our world is going to disappear... our world... our.. world..'
Like Malon, the Nightmare(s) seemed to want to exist, to be real - that's why it/they trapped the Wind Fish in an egg, so that he couldn't wake up and make them disappear.
All that said, the Nightmares final form is very Vaati-esque with the whole single eyed black shape thing it has going on. Also, the Owl mentions that '...one day, the Nightmares entered the dream and began wreaking havoc.' which could imply that the Nightmares weren't from the dream originally, but were external to it.
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People have said this time and again, and I have to restate that (IMO at least) the Moriblins and other -blins have always looked rather like Ganon himself, which is not -distinctly- any one animal, but an anthropomorphic amalgamation of a few. Some Moriblins are a little more piggish than others, and some are more doggish, but in the end they're about the same. (OoT's are a nice transitional form between LoZ and ALttP. Check it out!
Who's to say that the trident isn't perhaps independent of Ganon? It was created separately to aid evil in general, and it's a coincidence that Ganon got it. It explains tridentless Ganons nicely.
I can understand your opinion on the situation, but I am going have to refute that in saying that there is no connection towards the two. You stated that Ganon is not just one animal, but an anthropomorphic amalgation of a few, however everytime we see Ganon he is always a hog-like monster (with the exception of Ocarina of Time, because it has horns), unlike the Moblin creatures which have been both bulldog-creatures (the way the were originally created) and pig-like creatures (the way the look most often nowadays).
Let's look and see what Ganon looked like in each one of his games.
LoZ:
A blue-skinned hog-like creature, and all though there is artwork of the evil Ganon, the pictures are vague, and doesn't really give a person a good distinction on what the Evil One really looks like in that game, but I have a feeling it is much different from the rest.
LttP:
A blue-skinned hog-like creature and the artwork can really define on his appearance in this game. So far we have started to notice a pattern, but this pattern will get offset once, but this will be the only time it will.
OoT:
A green skinned hog-like demon creature with huge horns coming from the sides of his head. Now this Ganon is a different color, has horns, has a tail (though perhaps the other tails of the Ganons hid thier's, though I can't really put some claim on that), has Ganondorf's hair color, but still remains a hog-like creature, at least in my eyes as far as his facial features are concerned. Still there has been no artwork of Ganon for the Ocarina of Time, just of Ganondorf, or at least I have never seen any artwork of Ganon for the Ocarina of Time, and would be glad to see it, if anyone can find a picture of him.
OoS/OoA:
Once again a blue-skinned hog-like creature and the artwork helps on this one as well, and infact he is almost identical to the LttP Ganon, though there are some differences, but nothing I would really quibble over.
FSA:
Again a blue-skinned hog-like creature. This one has a different attire such as a purple cape, as opposed to LttP and OoS/OoA's red cape, and there are noticable other ones as well, but as far as his looks, it is pretty much similar to the other two (LttP and Oos/OoA). I have yet to see any artwork for the FSA's Ganon, though I would be happy to see it if anyone has it.
So all in all Ganon pretty much looks the same in all of the games, save Ocarina of Time. Now how does this go along with the way that the moblins look, well let's just find out.
LoZ:
Moblins come in two forms, the red ones (though they look orange in the game)and the blue ones, and in this game the artwork shows them as bulldog-like creatures, something Ganon has never ever been. So from my personal point of view I can't see the connection amongst the two from this game here in particular.
AoL:
Moblins in this game come in three forms brown ones (though they look orange in the game), red ones, and blue ones. In this game they are once again bulldog-like creatures and this can be seen in the official artwork for this game.
LttP:
In this game I am not really even sure that the Moblins appear in this game, but I have always thought that the spear-wielding creatures near the Pyramid of Power were possibly Moblins. Unfortuantly I cannot make a claim as to what kind of hybrid creature they are due to the sprites for the game, and I have never seen any artwork of them, so I will just leave this one to be an inconclusive decision.
LA:
In this game the same sprite design used for the LoZ Moblins were used in LA's Moblins. Though once again I have yet to see any official artwork, so I cannot really claim that they truly look the same as the LoZ Moblins.
OoT:
The pinnacle of what a Moblin looks like in my eyes. Now in the game they might be a bit hard to distinguish on what these creatures are, but the official artwork let's them shine as to what thier design was supposed to look like. They were brown toned (Ganon has never been brown toned) and bigger and badder than ever before (well at least looks wise, very easy to defeat game wise).
MM:
Moblins did not appear in this game.
OoS/OoA:
Honestly the Moblin sprites are remiscient of the LoZ sprite Moblins, however we never really do see any artwork (or I haven't at least) of the Moblins in this game. The only artwork I have seen of a Moblin in this game would be that of the Great Moblin, and he is green-skinned and is more hog-like in nature. Out of all of the Zelda games the Great Moblin has the greatest resemblence to Ganon himself, though he still pales in comparison once a person looks at Ganon's artwork and then looks at the Great Moblin's, but that is besides the point.
The Wind Waker:
Moblins are brown skinned in this game, and have a hog-like appearance, but they fail to have the tusks that Ganon most often has, but that is a minor quibble.
FS:
Moblins appear the same as the sprites in the LoZ, but since the artwork uses a Wind Waker style, then I would assume they are pig-like creatures.
FSA:
They do not appear in this game to my knowledge.
The Minish Cap:
I have yet to play this game so I cannot comment on it yet.
Like I said Kairu Hakubi I can understand your point of view, but there is also many distinctions that sets them apart, especially in the older games, and being a gamer of Zelda from the beginning, I really wish they would just return Moblins to thier original creation. Now of course you don't have to agree with me, for like I said, it is only my opinion, as you have yours, but the only connection I see as the Moblins having to Ganon would be that they are just his servants.
