Are all the different Links related to each other, just reincarnations of the first Link, or just a bunch of kids with simmilar taste in fashion? This discussion is about all the Links but I really want to go deeper in the relationship between OoT Link and WW Link. Now WW Link is reffered to as the Hero of Time reborn, and at some points of the game they're almost thought of as the same person. However, a quote from Link's Grandma when you aquire your first sheild seems to hint some sort of direct linage from the Hero of Time. It is the family heirloom after all and it was said to have been weilded by the Hero himself. But then again, we never seen OoT Link (Or any other Link) carry such a sheild before. Maybe Granny was off her rocker?
Links--Are they related?
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 06:11 PM
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You can't really say if they are related or not. Sometimes I dont think they can even be called Link. But there are multiple Links. Aonuma confirmed it in an interview.
About them being related..they possibly can be...maybe not, who knows? Thats the fun about Zelda.
Well, she said the Hero of time or knights used that kind of shield (Im not sure). There are generations between OoT and TWW and by the time of TWW, OoT was legend. Maybe they still made shields, but never really knew its full design, just its basics, like the bird on it. And it was never said that shield that Grandma has was used by him.
About them being related..they possibly can be...maybe not, who knows? Thats the fun about Zelda.
However, a quote from Link's Grandma when you aquire your first sheild seems to hint some sort of direct linage from the Hero of Time. It is the family heirloom after all and it was said to have been weilded by the Hero himself. But then again, we never seen OoT Link (Or any other Link) carry such a sheild before. Maybe Granny was off her rocker?
Well, she said the Hero of time or knights used that kind of shield (Im not sure). There are generations between OoT and TWW and by the time of TWW, OoT was legend. Maybe they still made shields, but never really knew its full design, just its basics, like the bird on it. And it was never said that shield that Grandma has was used by him.
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Why else would they call them Link? They're Linked. Haha. Ahum.
I think they are linked, cause I think Link reincarnates. In the WW they call it "reborn". Would they be related in family? I don't know. I used to have this theory that Zelda and Link are regarded as interchangable in their reincarnations, so that they sometimes switch places.
I think they are linked, cause I think Link reincarnates. In the WW they call it "reborn". Would they be related in family? I don't know. I used to have this theory that Zelda and Link are regarded as interchangable in their reincarnations, so that they sometimes switch places.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 07:35 PM
I don't think Link and Zelda interchange 
If that happened, then wouldn't Link be helpless and Zelda be the Hero? either way, it doesn't matter. It is implied that each Link shares a soul, because of the Great Cataclysm prophecy in LTTP, and WW Link and OOT Link are not related by blood, because the King of Red Lions says that WW Link has no ties to the Hero of Time.
If that happened, then wouldn't Link be helpless and Zelda be the Hero? either way, it doesn't matter. It is implied that each Link shares a soul, because of the Great Cataclysm prophecy in LTTP, and WW Link and OOT Link are not related by blood, because the King of Red Lions says that WW Link has no ties to the Hero of Time.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 07:36 PM
I think I recall that she says it was used by the Hero himself specificly because I once used it as a basis of old theory of mines.... I'll see if I can find the exact quote...
And KoRL kinda throws that theory out of the water but it could be that he was just skeptical that such a little boy would have anything to do with the Legendary Hero.
And KoRL kinda throws that theory out of the water but it could be that he was just skeptical that such a little boy would have anything to do with the Legendary Hero.
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Zelda has never been completely helpless. She was Sheik, and Tetra.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 07:40 PM
And doesn't the Cataclysm's Eve Prophecy state that the Hero must born of the Knight's Bloodline? Or is that just in the comic book?
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No I think the bloodlines are mentioned in Alttp multiple times.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 07:47 PM
And why can't TWW's timeline have a bloodline also?
Also, to correct myself earlier. Grandma didn't say the sheild was used by the hero himself. But it does say that when you first aquire it. Here is the quote in question:
Also, I thought Link's Grandma also talks about how the sheild has been the family's crest for years... but I can't seem to find it any quote FAQ's.
Also, to correct myself earlier. Grandma didn't say the sheild was used by the hero himself. But it does say that when you first aquire it. Here is the quote in question:
(You got the Hero's Shield!
This is the legendary shield said to
have been used by the hero himself!)
Also, I thought Link's Grandma also talks about how the sheild has been the family's crest for years... but I can't seem to find it any quote FAQ's.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 08:28 PM
obviously, about the shield, it's simply a graphic update to the very old shields, pre-OoT. and Mairo's right about the quote, I remember that quite clearly. So it's a heirloom which happens to be quite sturdy.
Later on I'm pretty sure it's made clear that WW Link is somehow a descendant of OoT Link, but the bloodline has been diluted enough to fool Gaon and KotRL.
Remember that Ganon was kidnapping all the pointy-eared girls in an effort to find Zelda and Link's descendants, especially Zelda. Note that out of the whole sprawling sea he only got four gals. What does that imply?
Later on I'm pretty sure it's made clear that WW Link is somehow a descendant of OoT Link, but the bloodline has been diluted enough to fool Gaon and KotRL.
Remember that Ganon was kidnapping all the pointy-eared girls in an effort to find Zelda and Link's descendants, especially Zelda. Note that out of the whole sprawling sea he only got four gals. What does that imply?
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Wait..you dont possibly mean the ACTUAL shield. No. When they said it was used himself, they meant the brand of shield. The Hylian shield. Now called the Hero's shield.And why can't TWW's timeline have a bloodline also?
Also, to correct myself earlier. Grandma didn't say the sheild was used by the hero himself. But it does say that when you first aquire it. Here is the quote in question:
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(You got the Hero's Shield!
This is the legendary shield said to
have been used by the hero himself!)
Also, I thought Link's Grandma also talks about how the sheild has been the family's crest for years... but I can't seem to find it any quote FAQ's.
And doesn't the Cataclysm's Eve Prophecy state that the Hero must born of the Knight's Bloodline? Or is that just in the comic book?
That was mentioned in the comics. For fact, in the comics, Link's father was a soldier.
I think they are linked, cause I think Link reincarnates. In the WW they call it "reborn". Would they be related in family? I don't know. I used to have this theory that Zelda and Link are regarded as interchangable in their reincarnations, so that they sometimes switch places.
Well, by reborn, Im sure they meant the essence of the Hero of time reborn in this new person. And Tetra from TWW and Zelda are related. Proof? Proof is The King gives Tetra the Triforce of Wisdom and says it was passed down YOUR family. Also, her mother was of some importance, the game hinted at that.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 11:06 PM
Wait..you dont possibly mean the ACTUAL shield. No. When they said it was used himself, they meant the brand of shield. The Hylian shield. Now called the Hero's shield.
If that's so, then the quote would be the type of Legendary shield or a Legendary Shield. "The Legendary Shied" all by itself seems to be talking about a specific shield... one that is said to have been once used by the Hero himself. And besides, you don't interepret a simmilar quote about the Master Sword as referring to a brand of Master Swords now do you?
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It's stated several times by KoRL, and even the Deku Tree(in the second quest) that WW Link isn't the Hero of Time. Considering that almost the whole game seemed to be about freeing themselves from chains of the past, and the fact that Ganon's quote is fairly ambiguos, I'd say that WW Link has no relation at all to OOT Link.
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"You are indeed the Hero of Time reborn" I believe the King of Red Lions says, or at least something like that.
EDIT: Or was it Ganon?
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SPOILERS AHEAD
Let's look at what the big ones of hyrule have to say
Deku Tree
That garb you wear...
Could you be the legendary hero?
Has the king at long last found the
Hero of Time?
What is the matter? Do you not understand
the ancient Hylian tongue?
So...you are not the Hero of Time.
The Deku Tree - I assume - doesn't have the details about Link from OoT & MM, just as all the others. No one seems to know what exactly happened, and how it happened. It is logical for him to mistake this Link for the old one, especially with the Outset Island tradition. Doesn't lead us to any evidence.
I must apologize. I was in error.
I saw your clothing, and suddenly I felt a
longing for an age gone by... That longing
caused the ancient tongue to pass my lips.
I am the guardian spirit of this Forest
Haven--the Deku Tree.
I owe you my thanks for your aid in ridding
me of those foul creatures...
Tell me... Was it not the King of Red
Lions--the boat who speaks--who led you
to this place?
So it is true...
Then you have come here because you have
need of the pearl of the goddess?
The Deku corrects himself, but seems to say to himself "so it is true". It is not revealed what he means.
Conversation Jabun & the King of Red Lions
Jabun:
(If you have sought me out...it must mean
you have found the Hero of Time,
does it not?)
I think that, like the Deku Tree, Jabun holds wrong theories about the hero of time. Again, they lacked details and only a few (like Zelda and Link) of that era knew what exactly happened. The King of Red Lions corrects Jabun.
The King of Red Lions:
The one I have brought with me has no
connection to the legendary one.
And yet I sense great promise in the
courage that this one possesses.
It seems that the King thinks this Link has no connections with the hero of time. What is meant by connection? "Bloodline"? It is suggested because Jabun suddenly turns the conversation towards Zelda's bloodline. Anyways, maybe the King is wrong here, just like Jabun and the Deku Tree made a mistake. Saying there is no connection between this Link and the OoT Link is just plain foolish, cause they wear the same outfits and are both named Link. It could be that the outset island tradition comes forth from a believe that the hero would be reborn among a small number of indivuals on Outset (cause it's not exactly overpopulated). If this would be true, how could they have known that if not for bloodlines? If much time has passed between OoT and tWW some bloodlines can be easily overlooked.
The King and Jabun next agree that the fate of the world depends on a gamble, and Jabun turns the conversation to Zelda's bloodline:
Jabun:
Tell me, Hyrule King...
Have you learned the whereabouts of the
one who carries on the bloodline of the
princess, Zelda?
Clearly, Zelda does have to stem from somebody in the bloodline. How can the King of Red Lions be absolutely 100% certain that Link has no bloodties to the Hero of Time? Seems impossible to me.
Ganon
Near the end...
Ganon:
Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn...
Ganon is sure that the Hero of Time is reborn. To me, Ganon is the most reliable source, since (if we assume it's the same Ganon like the King and Jabun do) he was the one who had the most details in the OoT. Zelda was reborn in the proper bloodlines, and Link was reborn. Pity he never says anything about bloodlines.
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Let's look at what the big ones of hyrule have to say
Deku Tree
That garb you wear...
Could you be the legendary hero?
Has the king at long last found the
Hero of Time?
What is the matter? Do you not understand
the ancient Hylian tongue?
So...you are not the Hero of Time.
The Deku Tree - I assume - doesn't have the details about Link from OoT & MM, just as all the others. No one seems to know what exactly happened, and how it happened. It is logical for him to mistake this Link for the old one, especially with the Outset Island tradition. Doesn't lead us to any evidence.
I must apologize. I was in error.
I saw your clothing, and suddenly I felt a
longing for an age gone by... That longing
caused the ancient tongue to pass my lips.
I am the guardian spirit of this Forest
Haven--the Deku Tree.
I owe you my thanks for your aid in ridding
me of those foul creatures...
Tell me... Was it not the King of Red
Lions--the boat who speaks--who led you
to this place?
So it is true...
Then you have come here because you have
need of the pearl of the goddess?
The Deku corrects himself, but seems to say to himself "so it is true". It is not revealed what he means.
Conversation Jabun & the King of Red Lions
Jabun:
(If you have sought me out...it must mean
you have found the Hero of Time,
does it not?)
I think that, like the Deku Tree, Jabun holds wrong theories about the hero of time. Again, they lacked details and only a few (like Zelda and Link) of that era knew what exactly happened. The King of Red Lions corrects Jabun.
The King of Red Lions:
The one I have brought with me has no
connection to the legendary one.
And yet I sense great promise in the
courage that this one possesses.
It seems that the King thinks this Link has no connections with the hero of time. What is meant by connection? "Bloodline"? It is suggested because Jabun suddenly turns the conversation towards Zelda's bloodline. Anyways, maybe the King is wrong here, just like Jabun and the Deku Tree made a mistake. Saying there is no connection between this Link and the OoT Link is just plain foolish, cause they wear the same outfits and are both named Link. It could be that the outset island tradition comes forth from a believe that the hero would be reborn among a small number of indivuals on Outset (cause it's not exactly overpopulated). If this would be true, how could they have known that if not for bloodlines? If much time has passed between OoT and tWW some bloodlines can be easily overlooked.
The King and Jabun next agree that the fate of the world depends on a gamble, and Jabun turns the conversation to Zelda's bloodline:
Jabun:
Tell me, Hyrule King...
Have you learned the whereabouts of the
one who carries on the bloodline of the
princess, Zelda?
Clearly, Zelda does have to stem from somebody in the bloodline. How can the King of Red Lions be absolutely 100% certain that Link has no bloodties to the Hero of Time? Seems impossible to me.
Ganon
Near the end...
Ganon:
Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn...
Ganon is sure that the Hero of Time is reborn. To me, Ganon is the most reliable source, since (if we assume it's the same Ganon like the King and Jabun do) he was the one who had the most details in the OoT. Zelda was reborn in the proper bloodlines, and Link was reborn. Pity he never says anything about bloodlines.
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Dug up some more stuff:
In aLttp there is evidence of relation between the heroes.
Aginah:
Your trial in the desert has
made you stronger. The blood
of the Hero must be in your
veins...
Aginah seems to be familiar with quotes from the book of Mudora, and therefore he probably knows what outfit the destined Hero will wear if he is related to the others, that his name is Link and that he is either in the bloodline of the hero or that he is the Hero reborn. "The blood of the Hero must be in your veins" can mean either that he is the hero reborn, or a descendant of the hero.
Further evidence of relation between the Links can be found in what the maiden in the Skull Woods says:
If a person who has an evil
heart gets the Triforce, a Hero
is destined to appear...
...and he alone must face the
person who began the Great
Cataclysm.
If the evil one destroys the
Hero, nothing can save the
world from his wicked reign.
This says that always when an evil heart touches the Triforce, a Hero is destined to appear. Note that this probably refers to the fact that if an evil heart touches the triforce, it is divided and goes to seperate persons. The question is, how does the triforce select the hero? By bloodline?
The Maiden of the Skull Forest continues:
Only a person of the Knights Of
Hyrule, who protected the
royalty of Hylia, can become
the Hero... You are of their
blood-line, aren't you?
She seems to assume that this Link is the Hero, a descendant of the Knights of Hyrule, but there is no proof yet because he didn't beat Ganon yet. But he is going to, although the Maiden doesn't know yet, so there is a bloodline involved.
However, this seems somewhat contradictory because Aginah says that Link has the blood of the Hero, and the Maiden captured in the Skull Woods says that Link is of the bloodline of the Knights. Maybe the first Link was one of the Knights then, or this Link is only related to one of the other Heroes. Maybe Link reincarnated in the bloodline of the Knights in tWW, instead of in the bloodline of the Hero. But if he is the Hero reborn, he does not have to be born in the bloodline of the Hero, cause he already is the hero. So maybe in tWW, Link is reborn in the bloodline of the Knights!
Maiden in the Village of Outcasts:
I heard that the Knights Of
Hyrule were nearly wiped out in
that battle...
You are perhaps the last one
to carry on the blood-line of
the Knights...
It is ironic that the last one in
the line has the potential to
become the Hero of legend.
Maybe the power of the bloodline of the Knights plus the power of the Hero, Link is able to defeat Ganon forever. It would make sense that he is "the Last one in the Line" and "The Hero of Legend". Then, it would also make sense to place aLttp at the end of the time-line of the Hero reincarnations, like many of the continuity theories do. Of course, the bloodline can be continued by this Link as well.
Sorry for the three posts, it would become way too long else. I would forget half of it!
In aLttp there is evidence of relation between the heroes.
Aginah:
Your trial in the desert has
made you stronger. The blood
of the Hero must be in your
veins...
Aginah seems to be familiar with quotes from the book of Mudora, and therefore he probably knows what outfit the destined Hero will wear if he is related to the others, that his name is Link and that he is either in the bloodline of the hero or that he is the Hero reborn. "The blood of the Hero must be in your veins" can mean either that he is the hero reborn, or a descendant of the hero.
Further evidence of relation between the Links can be found in what the maiden in the Skull Woods says:
If a person who has an evil
heart gets the Triforce, a Hero
is destined to appear...
...and he alone must face the
person who began the Great
Cataclysm.
If the evil one destroys the
Hero, nothing can save the
world from his wicked reign.
This says that always when an evil heart touches the Triforce, a Hero is destined to appear. Note that this probably refers to the fact that if an evil heart touches the triforce, it is divided and goes to seperate persons. The question is, how does the triforce select the hero? By bloodline?
The Maiden of the Skull Forest continues:
Only a person of the Knights Of
Hyrule, who protected the
royalty of Hylia, can become
the Hero... You are of their
blood-line, aren't you?
She seems to assume that this Link is the Hero, a descendant of the Knights of Hyrule, but there is no proof yet because he didn't beat Ganon yet. But he is going to, although the Maiden doesn't know yet, so there is a bloodline involved.
However, this seems somewhat contradictory because Aginah says that Link has the blood of the Hero, and the Maiden captured in the Skull Woods says that Link is of the bloodline of the Knights. Maybe the first Link was one of the Knights then, or this Link is only related to one of the other Heroes. Maybe Link reincarnated in the bloodline of the Knights in tWW, instead of in the bloodline of the Hero. But if he is the Hero reborn, he does not have to be born in the bloodline of the Hero, cause he already is the hero. So maybe in tWW, Link is reborn in the bloodline of the Knights!
Maiden in the Village of Outcasts:
I heard that the Knights Of
Hyrule were nearly wiped out in
that battle...
You are perhaps the last one
to carry on the blood-line of
the Knights...
It is ironic that the last one in
the line has the potential to
become the Hero of legend.
Maybe the power of the bloodline of the Knights plus the power of the Hero, Link is able to defeat Ganon forever. It would make sense that he is "the Last one in the Line" and "The Hero of Legend". Then, it would also make sense to place aLttp at the end of the time-line of the Hero reincarnations, like many of the continuity theories do. Of course, the bloodline can be continued by this Link as well.
Sorry for the three posts, it would become way too long else. I would forget half of it!
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When he says "so it is true" he means it is true that you have come here for the pearl of the goddess...or it is true that KoRL has led you to this place--nothing more than that.(Spikey)
I owe you my thanks for your aid in ridding
me of those foul creatures...
Tell me... Was it not the King of Red
Lions--the boat who speaks--who led you
to this place?
So it is true...
Then you have come here because you have
need of the pearl of the goddess?
The Deku corrects himself, but seems to say to himself "so it is true". It is not revealed what he means.
Why can't it just be legend passed on generation to generations...a legend that breeds hope. We celebrate holidays of certain individuals, but that doesn't mean we're related to them.The King of Red Lions:
The one I have brought with me has no
connection to the legendary one.
And yet I sense great promise in the
courage that this one possesses.
Saying there is no connection between this Link and the OoT Link is just plain foolish, cause they wear the same outfits and are both named Link. It could be that the outset island tradition comes forth from a believe that the hero would be reborn among a small number of indivuals on Outset (cause it's not exactly overpopulated). If this would be true, how could they have known that if not for bloodlines? If much time has passed between OoT and tWW some bloodlines can be easily overlooked.
Ganon
Near the end...
Ganon:
Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn...
Since when do you only have to be of bloodline....in order to be reborn? This could be the Hero of Time reborn, but that doesn't mean he's of the same blood. You may have the same soul, but not the same body and blood. I could be the reincarnation of Genghis Kahn, but we have no blood ties.
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When he says "so it is true" he means it is true that you have come here for the pearl of the goddess...or it is true that KoRL has led you to this place--nothing more than that.
Could be indeed. Could be not.
Why can't it just be legend passed on generation to generations...a legend that breeds hope. We celebrate holidays of certain individuals, but that doesn't mean we're related to them.
Then is it a very local event by accident, and only on that island? Why isn't it a tradition in the rest of that world? Nobody recognises the clothes or the reason Link wears them.
Since when do you only have to be of bloodline....in order to be reborn? This could be the Hero of Time reborn, but that doesn't mean he's of the same blood. You may have the same soul, but not the same body and blood. I could be the reincarnation of Genghis Kahn, but we have no blood ties.
Did I say that? I don't think so.[EDIT: Zelda DOES seem to have to be reborn in somekind of bloodline, "the princess, Zelda" suggested by the conversation between KoRL & Jabun] Anyway, see the latter post of me, in which I go into that in more detail. It could also be that they were waiting for the right descendant of the lineage of the Knights, not of the Hero. Or a reincarnation of the Hero unrelated by means of bloodties to the other Hero. Or a combination of both. I don't know. It could go in multiple directions from there.
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 12:29 PM
I think it may be possible that everyone on Outset is "somehow" related to OoT Link, though the bloodline has become frayed off and diluted over time. As you can learly see, the youngest generation no longer have pointy ears, which suggest these people interbreeded [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] with outsiders. I think Link's family is perhaps the purest lineage, if not the most direct.
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There is more then just the OoT-WW connection. In Alttp, Link with his Uncle (who owns his own sword and shield). Since he owns weapons, the might inticate that his uncle was possibly a Hylian hero at his youth. And since he is Link's "Uncle", that means the Alttp Link is a son to the Uncle's sister. Meaning that Alttp and WW are connected.
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Uhm yeah well I don't really see your point. But that the a link to the past Link is linked to other links I think I have kind of proved in the quotes I gave, by what the Maidens and Aginah said.
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 06:38 PM
I used to have a thoery like that but it's kinda impossible for LttP and TWW to be that close together... I mean within one person's lifetime.
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 06:45 PM
Uhm yeah well I don't really see your point. But that the a link to the past Link is linked to other links I think I have kind of proved in the quotes I gave, by what the Maidens and Aginah said.
Lemme simplify this. I stink at explaining.
Alttp Link's Uncle MAY have been a "Link" himself. And the only way to have a uncle is if that your mother has a brother. And the reference to a sibling for Link is Aryll. I know that timelines are somewhat againist this as a possiblity, but it's just a thought.
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Yes, Aryll, doesn't anyone else want to see a game where Aryll has an important role (Heroine, Sage, etc?) Anyway, the Triforce could chose a hero by asking the Goddesses to make Link reincarnate. it has nothing to do with lineage. Zelda has to be within the bloodline because she HAS to be the Princess. a Hero doesn't need to pass on. I don't believe any Link is related, really, otherwise people would be like. "Oh, your the desendant of the Hero! your the Son of the Chosen! Your related to the Hero of Time" -.- Besides, Hylians seem to use lofty speech when they speak of Legends and Heroes. It could be possible that the bloodline thing is just a long metaphor, like "You have the blood of a thousand knights within your viens" Merlin said this to Lancelot back in the day, even though Lancelot is descended from peasants. This quote was supposed to imply, in the pagan version of the legend, that Lancelot must of led several heroic lifetimes in his past lives. See my point?
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 12:41 PM
There are a lot of different ways to look at this, but it's unlikely that all the Link's are direct descendents of each other simply because we never see him marry or have children, and he almost never has any family that we know of.
In most games that mention the Knights of Hyrule Link is somehow connected to them. I assume in ALttP that his Uncle is a Knight of some kind considering his use of the sword and shield, the technique passed down through their lineage also hints at this. This however doesn't mean that Link's uncle was at one point a hero.
In OoT I seem to remember Link's father being a Knight, but I can't come up with any kind of evidence for this, or any mention of his father at all for that matter, I'll have to keep looking.
As far as saying that the blood of a thousand knights runs through your veins and saying that the blood of the hero runs through your viens, those are two completely different things. And that wouldn't mean that Lancelot has lived many heroic lives, it simply means that he has the resolve and courage of a thousand knights regardless of his upbringing as a peasant. In this game as far as bloodlines go any mention of blood should mean some kind of relation, be it through the Knights or simply through Hylian blood, I don't know. But since Zelda is always of the Royal House it would be strange to make it so that Link isn't also of a common background throughout the games.
In most games that mention the Knights of Hyrule Link is somehow connected to them. I assume in ALttP that his Uncle is a Knight of some kind considering his use of the sword and shield, the technique passed down through their lineage also hints at this. This however doesn't mean that Link's uncle was at one point a hero.
In OoT I seem to remember Link's father being a Knight, but I can't come up with any kind of evidence for this, or any mention of his father at all for that matter, I'll have to keep looking.
As far as saying that the blood of a thousand knights runs through your veins and saying that the blood of the hero runs through your viens, those are two completely different things. And that wouldn't mean that Lancelot has lived many heroic lives, it simply means that he has the resolve and courage of a thousand knights regardless of his upbringing as a peasant. In this game as far as bloodlines go any mention of blood should mean some kind of relation, be it through the Knights or simply through Hylian blood, I don't know. But since Zelda is always of the Royal House it would be strange to make it so that Link isn't also of a common background throughout the games.
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Yes, Aryll, doesn't anyone else want to see a game where Aryll has an important role (Heroine, Sage, etc?) Anyway, the Triforce could chose a hero by asking the Goddesses to make Link reincarnate. it has nothing to do with lineage. Zelda has to be within the bloodline because she HAS to be the Princess. a Hero doesn't need to pass on. I don't believe any Link is related, really, otherwise people would be like. "Oh, your the desendant of the Hero! your the Son of the Chosen! Your related to the Hero of Time" -.- Besides, Hylians seem to use lofty speech when they speak of Legends and Heroes. It could be possible that the bloodline thing is just a long metaphor, like "You have the blood of a thousand knights within your viens" Merlin said this to Lancelot back in the day, even though Lancelot is descended from peasants. This quote was supposed to imply, in the pagan version of the legend, that Lancelot must of led several heroic lifetimes in his past lives. See my point?
Then why does one of the maidens say:
Only a person of the Knights Of
Hyrule, who protected the
royalty of Hylia, can become
the Hero... You are of their
blood-line, aren't you?
So, as I already said, probably not in the bloodline of the former hero, but surely in the bloodline of the Knights. Still, Aginah seems to think that Link has the blood of the hero within him, though this could also point to reincarnation.
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 07:46 PM
Yea...relation to one of the KNIGHTS! I don't remember Link of OOT being a Knight. O.o Besides, if Link's bloodline was destroyed and he was needed, the Prophecy would be proven wrong, which implies the Triforce can fail in a wish, which really messes up what we DO know about Zelda. And, nothing really says that each Link has to be related. They just have to appear when they are needed. Zelda, however, has to be a Princess, because THAT is specifically part of her destiny.
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Yea...relation to one of the KNIGHTS! I don't remember Link of OOT being a Knight. O.o Besides, if Link's bloodline was destroyed and he was needed, the Prophecy would be proven wrong, which implies the Triforce can fail in a wish, which really messes up what we DO know about Zelda. And, nothing really says that each Link has to be related. They just have to appear when they are needed. Zelda, however, has to be a Princess, because THAT is specifically part of her destiny.
Well the Phrophecy wasn't created from a wish from the Triforce, so if the prophecy fails...it's not because Triforce wish failed.
After OOT, when Link returns to the past; Ganon's plans are delayed...and Link lives out his childhood with MM happening sometime along the way. When he's an adult the IW has started and happens in a different way, but by that time Link has joined the Knights of Hyrule. This nicely sets up the backstory to LTTP, while what we played and saw in OOT sets up the TWW backstory.
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Tri-Enforcer is right, it didn't originate from a wish; it's just a rule that if an evil heart touches the triforce, a hero will rise.
I don't think Link was one of the Knights, or at least that he didn't have to be, but could have been. The hero that arises (or is reborn), must be from the bloodline of the Knights (according to one of the maidens). That's what I meant when I said "pity" that Ganon doesn't mention bloodlines in tWW, since he obviously has a lot of knowledge. He says only that Link is the hero reborn.
I don't think Link was one of the Knights, or at least that he didn't have to be, but could have been. The hero that arises (or is reborn), must be from the bloodline of the Knights (according to one of the maidens). That's what I meant when I said "pity" that Ganon doesn't mention bloodlines in tWW, since he obviously has a lot of knowledge. He says only that Link is the hero reborn.
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Posted 21 October 2004 - 10:35 AM
Maybe they didn't mention it cuz maybe Nintendo couldn't think of a good enough explanation as to how TWW Link could be blood related to the OoT Link who left that timeline without fathering any children... I always thought he had a love child with Malon (Probably while the game is turned off... heh, polygonal teenagers...) that he didn't know about. Of course this could be more easily explained if OoT Link had other brothers or sisters or cousins we don't know about and the bloodline could have carried on through one of them....
