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[Person]

I say that Veil Falls are a small peak south of Death Mountain, because we have evidence of Goron habitation. Biggoron lives on top of it. Mt. Crenel may be a different peak in the same range, but it probably isn't the main Death Mountain crater we see in OoT, TP, and TWW. Lost Woods and Lake Hylia like to migrate around a bit, so I won't argue them. But aside from those inconsistencies, TMC Hyrule and OoT Hyrule look very similar. Lon Lon is in the middle of Hyrule Field, Hyrule Castle is north, next to a town, and a magical forest is in the southwest. Castor Wilds might be the swamps we see in ALttP and FSA, while Gerudo Desert is off the map.

[Fyxe]

Yes, all the maps are very similar if you take what similarities there are and overemphasise them, of course. XP

[LionHarted]

Mt. Crenel is nothing like Death Mountain, and is not in the same location, it's comparitively small (but tall) and stuck off to the side.

Two peaks.
Apparently a volcano.
Home of the Gorons.

It's like, the best of the traditional features seen in 2D and 3D Zeldas, all in one.

[SOAP]

To me, Mt. Crenel just came off as a mini-death mountain. Nearly everything in TMC is pretty small anyways, even Lake Hylia which is it's smallest rendition yet. The crenel shape where it gets it's name in TMC reminds me of Death Mounatin in ALttP where you have a large north in the middle of Death Mountain.

[Person]

-No Spectacle Rock
-Significantly shorter than Death Mountain
-Different name

Like I said, it might be in the Death Mountain range, but it isn't the main peak we saw in the 3D games. The Gorons lived there and might have moved when they ate up all of the rocks.

[SOAP]

-No Spectacle Rock
-Significantly shorter than Death Mountain
-Different name

Like I said, it might be in the Death Mountain range, but it isn't the main peak we saw in the 3D games. The Gorons lived there and might have moved when they ate up all of the rocks.

-Not every Death Mountain has a spectacle Rock.
-Lake Hylia is also significantly smaller. It's more a Pond Hylia if you ask me... TMC Hyrule is just a miniature cutesy version of Hyrule. I kinda like it actually.
-Names change. Desert of Mystery/Haunted Wastes/Desert of Doubt/Gerudo Desert... All arguably the same desert. Death Mountian probably was changed to Mt. Crenel because TMC had a child-friendly atmosphere to it and the word "Death" Mountain wouldn't fit in the game. Same with TWW where instead of Death Mountian you have Dragon Roost and it doesn't take too much imagination to argue that DR and DM are the same peak.

Edited by SOAP, 04 June 2007 - 04:39 PM.

[Person]

-Not every Death Mountain has a spectacle Rock.

The one in OoT does, the one in TWW does, the one in ALttP does, the one in LoZ does, the one in AoL does.

-Names change. Desert of Mystery/Haunted Wastes/Desert of Doubt/Gerudo Desert... All arguably the same desert. Death Mountian probably was changed to Mt. Crenel because TMC had a child-friendly atmosphere to it and the word "Death" Mountain wouldn't fit in the game. Same with TWW where instead of Death Mountian you have Dragon Roost and it doesn't take too much imagination to argue that DR and DM are the same peak.

Except that the desert is in the same place each time, and so is Death Mountain. The reason DR is Death Mountain is because it's smack-dab in the same place as the Death Mountain in OoT. Mt. Crenel is on the opposite side of the map from Death Mountain. We simply do not see Death Mountain's main peak in TMC. Mt. Crenel and Veil Falls are probably secondary peaks in the same range.

[Fyxe]

Death Mountian probably was changed to Mt. Crenel because TMC had a child-friendly atmosphere to it and the word "Death" Mountain wouldn't fit in the game.

You jest, right? o.o

[Chaltab]

Death Mountian probably was changed to Mt. Crenel because TMC had a child-friendly atmosphere to it and the word "Death" Mountain wouldn't fit in the game.

You jest, right? o.o

Given all the references to ghosts? The fact that one of the areas on the overwold map is a cemetary?

Yeah, somehow I doubt Death Mountain would have caused any problems.

[LionHarted]

-No Spectacle Rock
-Significantly shorter than Death Mountain
-Different name

1) TP's Death Mountain has no spectacle rock, either.
2) TMC's Death Mountain is arguably taller than ALttP's.
3) Most people argue that a post-TWW Hyrule is unlikely because the likelihood of all things taking the same names as before is slim to none. A different name in one game actually helps fit the mold better.

[Person]

-We just never get to go inside the crater in TP. We only go to Goron City and the mines.
-ALttP's Death Mountain is a sprawling range, while TMC's Mount Crenel is a small semivolcanic peak.
-Except that the TMC backstory, environment, and history of the Gorons in TMC makes no mention of a flood. Nevermind that Mt. Crenel is on the wrong side of the map. Death Mountain, unlike Lake Hylia or the Lost Woods, has made no "migration" around the world map. It, along with the desert and Hyrule Field, is in the same spot each time.

[LionHarted]

-We just never get to go inside the crater in TP. We only go to Goron City and the mines.

Spectacle Rock wasn't inside a crater in ALttP.

ALttP's Death Mountain is a sprawling range, while TMC's Mount Crenel is a small semivolcanic peak.

Take a closer look at the backdrop.

Except that the TMC backstory, environment, and history of the Gorons in TMC makes no mention of a flood.

Which is probably because the plot of TMC has nothing to do with one.

It makes no mention of goddesses, Triforces, or Hylians either.

Nevermind that Mt. Crenel is on the wrong side of the map. Death Mountain, unlike Lake Hylia or the Lost Woods, has made no "migration" around the world map.

Ever played TP?

It, along with the desert and Hyrule Field, is in the same spot each time.

Never mind OoT, where the desert is in the northwest instead of the southwest.

Edited by LionHarted, 05 June 2007 - 10:43 AM.

[Raien]

Is the name "Crenel" based on any foreign words?

[LionHarted]

Is the name "Crenel" based on any foreign words?

"Crenel" is based on the shape of the mountain; like a "crenelation", which can refer either to the grooves on a snail's shell or used for defense in the construction of the ramparts of medieval castles.

Edited by LionHarted, 05 June 2007 - 01:11 PM.

[Person]

TP Death Mountain didn't move at all. It's only on the wrong side if you played the Wii version. I consider the Wii world map to be non-canon since TP is a Gamecube game. Also, we are not told where the crater used to be in ALttP because the volcanic part of the mountain has probably gone dormant. But Spectacle Rock is in the same place in both TWW and ALttP, meaning we're talking about the same mountain there. Mt. Crenel is a different mountain.

[LionHarted]

TP Death Mountain didn't move at all. It's only on the wrong side if you played the Wii version.

Actually, on the Wii version it's oriented properly relative to Zora's Domain. ;p

[Person]

Actually, in both versions Zora's domain is in the wrong spot. Lake Hylia, Death Mountain, and Hyrule Castle are all in the same spots in the GC version.

But that's irrelevent. I believe Mt. Crenel to be a part of Death Mountain, but not the main peak. That's why I believe they gave it a different name. I still believe TMC to be pre-OoT because the Sacred Realm or the Triforce or Ganon are not mentioned at all. It appears to be symbolic for when the hero got his hat (because the Link in the prologue doesn't have one) and I believe that Old Hyrule got washed away in TWW. Mt. Crenel being Death Mountain or not being Death Mountain isn't going to change that.

[Arturo]

Is the name "Crenel" based on any foreign words?

But it isn't it's Japanese name. I think it's GONGORU. Gongol is, incidentally, the Spanish name.

[Raien]

Does "Gongoru" possess any meaning?

[Duke Serkol]

It certainly comes close to sounding like "Goron Mountain" but whether that's the intention or not, I don't know.

[Kairu Hakubi]

More likely an anagram/reversal of GORUGON or 'gorgon' which was, btw, Onox's Japanese name.

[Raien]

More likely an anagram/reversal of GORUGON or 'gorgon' which was, btw, Onox's Japanese name.

The anagram only exists with English characters. In Japanese, I'm sure the words would be quite different.

[Showsni]

Well, you get one "letter" for "go" one for "n" one for "go" and one for "ru," I presume. So you can still anagrammatise it.