The Zelda games involve more seriously the time-travel, and we are not discussing the Harry Potter storyline, we are discussing the Zelda storyline, and, as I say, the most simple thing we can do to explain Harry Potter's problem is to use multiple timelines, plus, we never two "Links", unwise Harry Potter, in which we see Harry twice at the same time.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:14 PM
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:15 PM
12-Year Old, that's EXACTLY what I am trying to say, except at the begining you say that a new reality is created. What happens is this: Harry and Hermione experience the same three hours twice. As a result, there are two of them-- Harry/Hermione first time, and Harry/Hermione second time. This creates a temporary paradox that quickly irons itself out because when Harry and Hermione go back, they effectively cease to exist in the present, but they are immediately replaced by the versions of themselves that have finished the whole Sirius-Saving business.
Bulmaro, you have just erased any doubt from my mind. I now know for a fact that you have either not read the books at all, or else read them with the preconcieved notion that they are petty, inane children's books and cannot be taken seriously. I find this rather puzzling-- if the Zelda Series, or even the book/movie you mentioned, are worth thinking about to any great extent, why not Harry Potter?
The time travel in Harry Potter simply works, as detailed in This Article on the alt.fan.harry-potter Potterverse FAQ. And while we're at it, here's the bit on the same FAQ adressing Bulmaro's "it's just a kiddy book" comment.
Bulmaro, you have just erased any doubt from my mind. I now know for a fact that you have either not read the books at all, or else read them with the preconcieved notion that they are petty, inane children's books and cannot be taken seriously. I find this rather puzzling-- if the Zelda Series, or even the book/movie you mentioned, are worth thinking about to any great extent, why not Harry Potter?
The time travel in Harry Potter simply works, as detailed in This Article on the alt.fan.harry-potter Potterverse FAQ. And while we're at it, here's the bit on the same FAQ adressing Bulmaro's "it's just a kiddy book" comment.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:29 PM
I don't have any intention of having a problem with you, let's stay nice please. No, I have read all the books twice, and, I enjoyed them a lot, actually they are my favorite books, what I was trying to say is that the time travel in OoT is better planned that Harry Potter's time travel.Originally posted by Dirk Amoeba@Sep 17 2004, 03:15 PM
Bulmaro, you have just erased any doubt from my mind. I now know for a fact that you have either not read the books at all, or else read them with the preconcieved notion that they are petty, inane children's books and cannot be taken seriously. I find this rather puzzling-- if the Zelda Series, or even the book/movie you mentioned, are worth thinking about to any great extent, why not Harry Potter?
The time travel in Harry Potter simply works, as detailed in This Article on the alt.fan.harry-potter Potterverse FAQ. And while we're at it, here's the bit on the same FAQ adressing Bulmaro's "it's just a kiddy book" comment.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:45 PM
Sorry if I'm getting a little over the top. Also, I missed the post preceding mine, so I'll respond now to your comments there.
THe truth is, although we are discussing Zelda, I was using Harry Potter as an example of a similar situation. You wrote off this similar situation as just a children's book. I found that insulting.
And the truth is that the time travel in the Harry Potter series was planned-- HEAVILY planned. OoT's time travel seems less planned becase it's not very complex.
As far as not seeing that there are two Links, I think it is implied. We are told that Link has been sleeping in the Temple of Light for seven years, but this impossible because Link has gone to the Spirit temple as a child, gone through Majora's Mask, et cetera. I cannot see any way to accept a single timeline theroy without saying that for seven years, there were two copies of Link (but one was asleep in the Sacred Realm for most of that time). However, it seems to me that TWW refers directly to the Adult Link timeline, as well as the Child Link timeline.
THe truth is, although we are discussing Zelda, I was using Harry Potter as an example of a similar situation. You wrote off this similar situation as just a children's book. I found that insulting.
And the truth is that the time travel in the Harry Potter series was planned-- HEAVILY planned. OoT's time travel seems less planned becase it's not very complex.
As far as not seeing that there are two Links, I think it is implied. We are told that Link has been sleeping in the Temple of Light for seven years, but this impossible because Link has gone to the Spirit temple as a child, gone through Majora's Mask, et cetera. I cannot see any way to accept a single timeline theroy without saying that for seven years, there were two copies of Link (but one was asleep in the Sacred Realm for most of that time). However, it seems to me that TWW refers directly to the Adult Link timeline, as well as the Child Link timeline.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:55 PM
Seeing that my last post was utterly ignored...(either cuz a hotter issue is being debated--which is fine...or the person it was adressed had to get out of the kitchen)...I'll just my two cents to the issue at hand.
I don't see how time travel in OOT is any better than that of Harry Potter...I think Zelda's take on time travel...is all over the place...and not explained well...and has too many overlooked points.
I don't see how time travel in OOT is any better than that of Harry Potter...I think Zelda's take on time travel...is all over the place...and not explained well...and has too many overlooked points.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 04:01 PM
Well, we can say that the game's events are supposed to intend that there are more than one Link, but it has never been firmly stated by the game, nor by the creators, otherwise, in Harry Potter it has been stated that way by the author. Maybe the time-travel on Harry Potter was thought more carefully, but, even with its complexity it has an unforgiveable mistake: Harry is in two places at once, of course, as I have pointed before, this can be fixed with a little of speculation from us. I apologise if my comments towards Harry Potter sounded offensive, it wasn't my intention at any time.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 04:34 PM
I did? Well, it's not what I meant. I meant thye go back into the same reality, just from a different perspective.Originally posted by Dirk Amoeba@Sep 17 2004, 04:15 PM
12-Year Old, that's EXACTLY what I am trying to say, except at the begining you say that a new reality is created.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 09:17 PM
Bulmaro: What we have here is simpoly a difference in opinon... we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
As for Tri-Enforcer: I appologize. I totally missed your post. Regarding "reborn," I still take it to simply mean return on the grounds that Zelda really wouldn't know, As fars a being sealed, you honestly have me absolutely stumped and I can find no rebuttal at all right now. I'll reconsider the theory.
As for Tri-Enforcer: I appologize. I totally missed your post. Regarding "reborn," I still take it to simply mean return on the grounds that Zelda really wouldn't know, As fars a being sealed, you honestly have me absolutely stumped and I can find no rebuttal at all right now. I'll reconsider the theory.
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 09:33 PM
There's not any problem with me too, I guess we just have different points of view.Originally posted by Dirk Amoeba@Sep 17 2004, 09:17 PM
Bulmaro: What we have here is simpoly a difference in opinon... we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
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Link was sealed away for seven years!! he didnt just pull out the master sword and head to termina and wait until he acctually is old enough for it. Besides, when he is sent back in time, hes a child again, thats when he heads off to termina!!-Ganondorf I born.
-Link, the Hero of Time, is born.
-Ocarina of Time child portions occur.
-Ganondorf I takes over Hyrule
-Majora's Mask occurs. Link (child) enters Termina and the Triforce of Courage leaves him. It is separated into right pieces.
-Ocarina of Time adult portions occur. Ganondorf I becomes Ganon and is sealed. Link is sent back in time.
-Ganondorf II is born.
-Ganon possesses Ganondorf II from inside the sacred realm and wreaks havoc upon Hyrule.
-Hyrule is sealed under an ocean.
-Link, the Hero of Winds is born.
-The Wind Waker occurs. Ganondorf II is killed. Ganon is resealed.
-The islands of the Great Sea conglomorate to form a new Hyrule. The Kingdom of Hyrule is refounded. The events of OoT and TWW are obscured by the passage of time and become legend.
OK,first of all there is ONE Ganondorf not two, and another thing, if the Gerudos didnt exist around that time, how can there b another ganondorf since that is his race. and since when in the great heavens of the underworld does ganondorf hav the power to posses ppl.
OK, once again...ONE Ganondorf, and yet again Ganon holds no powers to posses ppl. and Ganondorf is not sealed in the sacred realm, he is sealed within the Four Sword forever, and besides, u just said b'4 the sacred realm thing that Ganon if "killed", then u said he was sealed, that makes no sence!!-Ganondorf III is born.
-Link, the Hero of Light, is born.
-Four Swords occurs. Vaati is sealed.
-Ganon takes possession of Ganondorf III
-FSA occurs. Vaati is killed. Ganondorf III is killed. Ganon is resealed in the sacred realm.
Link, the Hero of the Essences of Time and Nature is born.
-Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages occur. Ganon is partially unsealed but is defeated by Link.
-Agahnim is born.
-Link, the Hero is born.
-Ganon takes possession of Agahnim.
-A Link to the Past occurs. Ganon is temporarily vanquished.
-Link's Awakening occurs.
-Link, the Wanderer is born.
-The Legend of Zelda occurs. Ganon is killed.
-The Adventure of Link occurs. Ganon's hordes fail to revive him.
Link never in godess Fate's name, fought Ganon in the Oracle series. So wat r u talking about. and do i hav to spell this out for u: G A N O N C A N N O T P O S S E S P E O P L E!!!
The only way u could hav ever come up with that, is if u nvr played more than half the games ur talking about, that's wat im seeing anyways. u need to check ur facts dude.
o, and 1 more thing, the FS series if in a place to where it does not make sence, o, and u left out the legend of Zelda: the minish cap
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 01:38 PM
Dude. Why did you revive this? The post before yours showed transitional problems from going IPB-VB so you know from that alone it's old. It was started last year! God. Davo, los - close?
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 02:17 PM
This guy is going around reviving old threads. the funny thing about it is that he has started his own thread. You can prove your point there and in other more recent threads.
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:09 PM
Vaati, The theory works by thinking that Ganon is a demonic spirit that can leap through compatible bodies, and um...the Gerudos are alive in FSA >.> and read the damn thread. We just went over that time paradox. Stop reviving dead threads.
