Do we humans have a true purpose?

Well my theory and probably to most of you is that we were put on this planet to restore life to the planet and make it a better world, but they say everyone needs to have a specific purpose but us humans may not have or we could if we reach that certain purpose. We have made this world once again a thriving planet and built buildings, industries just to help the world and built temples and historic sites so what history may repeat itself or be shown to others anyway. Nature also plays tricks on us and also is what most of the world is made from so what do you think on all this? Are we here because we were meant to or is this not what was planned? Or maybe we are simply made from some substance and born to protect, think

You all know what I'm going to say.

Yep.

Huh I don't get it?

We're just chunks of dirt.

Originally posted by Sycron@Sep 16 2004, 04:15 PM
We're just chunks of dirt.

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Chunks of dirt made in the image of God, that is.

God made in the image of man, that is.

I never quite got the whole made in the image of God. Has anyone ever seen God? Isnt it possible he is a floating ball of light?

I personally think that we are simply here because the conditions were right for life many years ago. Now that we are here we might as well improve on what is here, and to make explorations into space so we can map the unknown.

How exactly would we be scraps of metal?

We are here by mere coincidence. We are very lucky, even though, because we are the only intelligent life form known this far.

I don't have any idea why God made us, but we're here, and that's all that matters. If there is a meaning of life, I'll find out in about 70 years... when I die.

There might be some purpose in life. Douglas Adams once applied the Heisenberg uncertainty principle to life. This principle states (to paraphrase it to a really basic level) that if we ever figure out where an electron is, it doesn't matter because by the time you find out where it is it isn't there anymore.

Adams said in one of his Hitchhiker books that there is a theory stating that if anyone ever finds out what the purpose of the universe is, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by somethign more bizzare and inexplicable.

Now, I don't neccesarily believe this, but it's an interesting thought.

Do we have a purpose? Yes. If we give ourselves one. We don't get one for free, you have to do the thinking first! Some people seek power, some money, some justice, but we're all really just assigning ourselves a purpose that's absent at the beginning. God knows that' what I'm doing.

Sometimes I find we humans so very amusing.

We're so convinced of our own self worth.

Maybe just existing is purpose enough. Have you ever thought of that? Sure we're at the top of the food change and can create and destroy and have all these wonderful gifts, but at the end of the day, the purposes we see as important or even as purposes at all, are bound by our views and our limitations.

We're not the most important, we're just the most aware of our existence. Or so we believe...which is my point exactly.

If you look at it from a purely scientific view, then there is no point to life - rather, life works all out to extend life because working all out to extend life extends life. If you understand what I mean. I mean, animals don't work towards extending life for a purpose, they do because that is what made them live anyway.

But I don't believe that. I think God made us. And it says in the Bible He saw that it was good, after looking at His creation. So we exist because it is good that we exist. If He hadn't created us, the universe wouldn't have been so good.

Originally posted by Showsni@Sep 20 2004, 03:30 PM
If you look at it from a purely scientific view, then there is no point to life - rather, life works all out to extend life because working all out to extend life extends life. If you understand what I mean. I mean, animals don't work towards extending life for a purpose, they do because that is what made them live anyway.

But I don't believe that. I think God made us. And it says in the Bible He saw that it was good, after looking at His creation. So we exist because it is good that we exist. If He hadn't created us, the universe wouldn't have been so good.

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He said everything else was good too. I think God would be hard-pressed to make something that was bad.

The opening post to this thread was a tad incoherent. However, I disagree with the thread starter. We aren't here to rejuvinate the Earth. The Earth was in prime condition when we got here. We have horribly messed it up, and its too late to turn back, because many things we've killed off. But, what are you going to do?

We just hope our species can evolve into energy before our resources run out. Or, we can pull a move like the ancient species' in Calculating God (go out and buy this book). The aliens in Calculating God uploaded their consciousness into a computer, which they buried deep within their planet. They destroyed their moons and did other such things to stop tectonic plate movement, so that the huge consciousness machine would not be destroyed by a lava flow.

I agree with Alak, however, who said that our purpose is defined by us. We give our lives purpose. If you choose to do nothing with your lives, then your life is meaningless. And every job is valuable*, from the thinkers, to the tradesmen. We function fully as a society in that way.

Each of us is here to further our society. Galileo's purpose was to create ideas that would inspire Sir Isaac Newton, who would inspire more and more physicists even to the present. It is from the works of the past that we create the future. That's what humanity must do. Advance our species. That's about it.

I also disagree with us being made in the image of God. God is an abstract idea or thought. He has no tangible form. God was created to give us hope in the worst of times, so that we can help ourselves. We have to treasure the conflict. Meaning, we must learn from our mistakes, because that is the only way to learn.

Many will attack me relentlessly for saying that, but I don't care. I'm not going to respond. Not because I don't value your responses, its because we've beaten that horse to death. I'm just saying what I think should be said, and running before arunma checks in.

* Hookers aren't valuable, no offense. Neither are drug dealers. They simply damage our society by exposing potentially useful teenagers to drugs, which leads to an overdose and death. Hookers are just carriers for sexually transmitted diseases. I feel no sympathy in anyway for the meaningless lives of hookers and drug users. If they want help, their families should be helping them, or they should seek it out.

Hey, prostitution is just another job. As for drug dealers, they're still better than, you know, advertisers and salesmen and lobbyists and such blood-sucking scum.

Originally posted by GraniteJJ@Sep 20 2004, 04:05 PM
Many will attack me relentlessly for saying that, but I don't care. I'm not going to respond. Not because I don't value your responses, its because we've beaten that horse to death. I'm just saying what I think should be said, and running before arunma checks in.

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Hello!!!

Actually, I don't mind you view (not that I agree with it) nearly as much as I do the opinions of those morons who were buying souls in my student union the other day.

Arunma- remember...

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Love thy neighbor, beeyotch.

[quote]Originally posted by Alakhriveion+Sep 20 2004, 05:47 PM-->

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Arunma- remember...

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Originally posted by LostPriest@Sep 16 2004, 06:42 PM
I never quite got the whole made in the image of God.  Has anyone ever seen God?  Isnt it possible he is a floating ball of light?

I personally think that we are simply here because the conditions were right for life many years ago.  Now that we are here we might as well improve on what is here, and to make explorations into space so we can map the unknown.

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this is the true meaning: God is Dislexic. He made dog in his own image.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 08:39 PM

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That, folks, is one of the reasons why arun, myself, and many others on this board are Christians... not trying to force anything on you of course, just... trying to put it in a different light for ya!


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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:15 PM

Thanks a lot, but you forget one thing, Link doesn't have the Triforce mark a the end of OoT.

Get a nightlife.

Oops, wrong forum .

Ah, well, I don't think the universe can justify its existence, it's just a nice and shiny decoration. It would be better if nothing existed, I don't think anything is really needed to esxist.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:25 PM

You know guys, technically Reflectionist is right.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:35 PM

Refectionist, you make it sound like you're a christian because you're afraid of going to hell. Now, I'm not a christian, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to work that way.

Here's how I see it. The first thing that blew the theory of God for me was the bible itself. I couldn't get past is veritable contradictions and speculations. I couldn't place my believe in something so inconsistant. That's the other thing; no-one can proove God is real. So those who believe in him/it, are believing in something that you can't see, touch, hear, or proove exists in any way. People go to hospitals for long periods of time for that. Just think about it.

No, I'm not afraid of going to hell. I know damn well I'm a good person. And if you believe that god is all knowing and all seeing and forgiving and all those wonderful things he's supposed to be, then surely god would understand why I find it so hard to believe in him. I don't break the law, I don't take drugs, I've never killed someone. Why would God send me to hell when he knows exactly why I don't believe.

I don't think simply not believing in our creator is reason enough for him/it to banish us to hell eternally. What kind of all-loving, all-creating God would do that?And if he/it would, then I don't want anything to do with it.

Maybe I have more faith in your God than you do...

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Dentaiko+-->

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Refectionist, you make it sound like you're a christian because you're afraid of going to hell. Now, I'm not a christian, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to work that way.[/b][/quote]

Reflectionist isn't scared of going to hell, because Christians have an assurance of salvation. He's scared of other people going to hell, which is why he wants people to accept God and his Christ.

[quote]Dentaiko]No, I'm not afraid of going to hell. I know damn well I'm a good person. And if you believe that god is all knowing and all seeing and forgiving and all those wonderful things he's supposed to be, then surely god would understand why I find it so hard to believe in him. I don't break the law, I don't take drugs, I've never killed someone. Why would God send me to hell when he knows exactly why I don't believe.[/quote]

Because you have to be as perfect as Jesus to enter heaven.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 11:23 PM

Hey buddy, you're kidding yourself if you believe you can be as perfect as jesus. Even I know that. And why would god expect us to be, when he created all of our flaws too?

As for spending eternity with someone you hate? Yeah, that'd suck. But I don't know of anyone who hates god.

Sure, I don't think he exists, but if he did, I wouldn't have a problem spending eternity with him. Besides, I'd have enough questions for eternity...

Couldn't someone who doesn't believe in god still be as perfect as jesus? Although there's no such thing as perfection.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 12:13 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Dentaiko+-->

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Hey buddy, you're kidding yourself if you believe you can be as perfect as jesus. Even I know that.[/b][/quote]

Exactly! We can't be as perfect as Jesus through our own works. That's why we have to accept his salvation as a gift. It can't come by any other path. By all means, do good deeds, because God commands you to do them. Just don't expect that you can do enough good deeds to get into heaven.

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As for spending eternity with someone you hate? Yeah, that'd suck. But I don't know of anyone who hates god.[/b][/quote]

In that case, you need to read my thread entitled "blasphemy on campus." A few days ago, the Campus Atheists (haters of God) were offering people a chance to sell their souls for Oreo cookies. Apparently, only five people did it, but that's still a significant number, seeing as how very few people ever visit the student groups at the union. Anyone who sells his soul hates God, because he is utterly rejecting God's gift of life. Such people, if unrepentant, will most likely be thrown into hell where they can spend eternity far away from the Creator that they've chosen to hate. Isn't that better than forcing the atheists into a heaven that they wouldn't enjoy?

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Reflectionist@Sep 20 2004, 08:39 PM
uh... or not.

you know what? I'm not as nice as arun, so, no offense to you guys, alak, etc. but... i believe you're goin to hell... don't let that bother you though, i mean, it's not like you believe so right? I mean, it's not like you're actually gonna burn in hell, feel the flesh literally pouring off of your skin... Because, you don't believe in that stuff... but, let's say for a hypothetical situation... that's true... then, how would that make you guys feel??
...my point exactly...
That, folks, is one of the reasons why arun, myself, and many others on this board are Christians... not trying to force anything on you of course, just... trying to put it in a different light for ya!
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It is rude to tell people they are going to hell. I don't care if you think that or not. Keep it to yourself.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Chief Fire Storm@Sep 21 2004, 12:19 AM
It is rude to tell people they are going to hell. I don't care if you think that or not. Keep it to yourself.

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Well, he seemed pretty nice about it. Telling someone that they're going to hell can't be classified as intrinsically rude (unless you start doing it in a rude way).

Also I should point out that the doctrine of non-Christians going to hell is standard Christian theology. I would be worried if we started censoring Christian doctrine (or the beliefs of any religion) because it is "rude."

In order to be rude, a member has to show some rude intent, and usually a swear word helps make the case. But simply stating one's beliefs can't be considered rude.

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