However, the new console is smaller--much smaller that previous estimates, which speculated that it would be three-quarters the size of the original PlayStation 2. In fact, the SCPH-70000 CB is 75 percent smaller than the original, with its width now only 1.1 inches (2.8cm), down from 3.07 inches (7.8cm). The SCPH-70000 CB will also have less than half the heft of the original PS2, weighing in at a mere 1.98 pounds (900g). "Its size is almost as small as a hardcover book," SCE said in a statement.
Besides being smaller, the new PS2 will also have more functionality, with an Ethernet port built into the device. Previously, a now-bulky-looking Ethernet adapter had to be bought separately for $39.99. The new console will have the same two memory-card slots and two controller slots as the first PS2, and it will come with one Dual Shock 2 controller. A new, round base for vertical display will be sold separately.
Speaking of cost, SCE officials confirmed that the new PS2 will retail at the same price point as the current model--$149 in the US, 149 euros ($181) in Europe--when it goes on sale November 1, just over a week after its rumored October 26 release date. In Japan, the unit will go on sale on November 3 with no MSRP.
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Most pointless redesign period...
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*grumbles and clings to her PS2, which is a bare two months old at most* x_xOriginally posted by Hero of Winds@Sep 21 2004, 12:57 PM
So they made it thinner? I think the PSX (not the PS1) had a better shot than this.
This happened when I got a GBC, too...within a couple of weeks GBA came out. I refused to ever buy a Nintendo product again.
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This happened when I got a GBC, too...within a couple of weeks GBA came out. I refused to ever buy a Nintendo product again.
Well there's the problem. Why would you buy a GBC a few weeks before the GBA's release?
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Anywho, if it's not going to be any cheaper, I'll just stick to my plan and buy it in October - IF my plan doesn't go insane and my money will be needed elsewhere, yes, I'll finally own a PS2 then.
Though I personally think that yes, something will go horribly wrong and force me to use my money for less frivolous things. It happend the last five times I tried to buy a PS2, and I'm not expecting anything different this time.
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If I didn't already have a working PS2 this would be great to get.
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Or at least, I don't think they do...
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One needn't go back too far; The PSOne. This PS2 redesign, like the PSOne, makes a lot of sense at this point; Console sales will slide from now until the point that next generation consoles hit the market (so sayeth IDC). A redesign makes for a more compelling purchase for laymen and current owners alike. The PSOne was incredibly successful, even into the release of the PS2.Originally posted by gameguru
Why would a company redesign a console? Unless it improves the system quality (GBASP), it will sell just as well as it would have if it were not redesigned. People don't buy consoles based on how they look.
The redesign also provides a number of new features and practical modifications:
- Built-in ethernet. That alone cuts down on the size phenomenally.
- A lid rather than a tray. Easier maintenance, no more tray malfunctions.
- No (apparent) fans. Fewer moving parts, less air and, more important, dust passing through the unit. Quieter, too.
The new size alone makes it a comparatively tiny DVD player, and competitive as such for its price.
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Originally posted by Dryth@Sep 21 2004, 07:39 PM
The new size alone makes it a comparatively tiny DVD player, and competitive as such for its price.
This was to be expected, I'd think, if not a bit late. Consumer DVD players have been about this size for some time now - I could have picked up a one-inch thick Durabrand at the local Wal-Mart months ago.
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It's as shameless as trying to remarket a console in a new colour! And just as pointless.
Why, oh why, do companies sink to things like this?
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It's not even "cute" like the PSOne, so it's pointless.
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Because it works? And because, despite any other questionable merits, the new PS2 both looks and is better than the original PS2?Originally posted by BatchGC
Why, oh why, do companies sink to things like this?
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Originally posted by Chikara_Nadir@Sep 21 2004, 09:55 PM
*grumbles and clings to her PS2, which is a bare two months old at most* x_x
This happened when I got a GBC, too...within a couple of weeks GBA came out. I refused to ever buy a Nintendo product again.
Sheesh, that is bad luck. I guess you didn't know the GBA was coming out when it did. But to be fair, the GBA was a NEW handheld console, more powerful than the original and with better graphics and more processing power than its predecessor.
Sony does the same thing too. PS1 to PS2 and now PS3, already! Okay, so there i a long time between PS2 and PS3 being released, but this is what they do. Companies make more powerful consoles every five years or so, making their previous products obsolete.
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The redesign also provides a number of new features and practical modifications:
- Built-in ethernet. That alone cuts down on the size phenomenally.
- A lid rather than a tray. Easier maintenance, no more tray malfunctions.
- No (apparent) fans. Fewer moving parts, less air and, more important, dust passing through the unit. Quieter, too.
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No fans is a bad thing, actually. Trust me, every time i've rebulit a computer it runs much better with more fans. Greater air flow = cooler processor, ram, hard drive, disk drive, mobo (you get the point) = superior performance in every case. Computer parts simply do better when cool.
So by jamming everything together and removing the primary cooling device, this version may have worse performance than the original ps2. You'ld think Sony would know better (of course, they did misdesigned my dvd burner... bastards)
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Originally posted by Koroks Rock@Sep 23 2004, 08:07 AM
No fans is a bad thing, actually. Trust me, every time i've rebulit a computer it runs much better with more fans. Greater air flow = cooler processor, ram, hard drive, disk drive, mobo (you get the point) = superior performance in every case. Computer parts simply do better when cool.
So by jamming everything together and removing the primary cooling device, this version may have worse performance than the original ps2. You'ld think Sony would know better (of course, they did misdesigned my dvd burner... bastards)
Except for one thing: this is 4 year old technology, that runs far slower than anything on the current market in terms of PCs. And there is no hard-disc that spins virtually all the time in a PS2, which is a major source of heat in a computer. And the article says no apparent fans, that means there's probably smaller fans inside, but nothing like the current PS2 where it sounds like a mini-jet when taking off (ok, i exaggerated a *tad*, but you get the idea
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No, fans are are bad thing. Cool hardware is a good thing. The very reason we have fans is to cool hardware. If the hardware doesn't need to be cooled, fans are removed from the equation, and we have a magnitudinally more stable piece of machinery. This is the case with the redesigned PS2, apparently.
And yes, better hardware performance is a good thing too, and hence we put fans in computers. All the new PS2 needs to do, however, is match the performance of the current PS2. Hence, it makes sense to trade off potential performance beyond what the PS2 achieves in favor of system stability.
But then, this should all be obvious to someone that rebuilds computers, given typical headsink and power supply fan failure rates. Not to mention the failure rate of PS2s due to dust and fines build-up.
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That'd be pretty cool if we were... but this is not to be. We are trapped in an age of flashy graphics and disgusting sales ploys. Alas!Originally posted by Masamune@Sep 23 2004, 08:51 AM
To be honest, I never liked the PS2 design, so making it skinnier does nothing. I prefer a sleeker look, like what the PS1 was. Funny how this generation they made all the games boxy looking. It's like we're back in the NES days.
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Originally posted by Dryth@Sep 23 2004, 09:51 AM
No, fans are are bad thing. Cool hardware is a good thing. The very reason we have fans is to cool hardware. If the hardware doesn't need to be cooled, fans are removed from the equation, and we have a magnitudinally more stable piece of machinery. This is the case with the redesigned PS2, apparently.
And yes, better hardware performance is a good thing too, and hence we put fans in computers. All the new PS2 needs to do, however, is match the performance of the current PS2. Hence, it makes sense to trade off potential performance beyond what the PS2 achieves in favor of system stability.
...Except both the PS2 and the XBox get unthinkably hot inside, due to the way they've made the shells and cable organization. So fans are necessary. But fans don't make a system more or less stable, they just augment performance. If I cut the power to my fans my computer the whole device runs slower, but it's not stabler, as you imply.
But it's tried and true that emulation hardware has to be right at or above the original, otherwise the games will crash. System stability doesn't do you a lick of good if the games refuse to work 100% of the time.
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I have yet to see a heatsink that fails due to no fault to the user or manufacturer. One of them has to screw up bad or mess with what they shouldn't.Originally posted by Dryth@Sep 23 2004, 09:51 AM
But then, this should all be obvious to someone that rebuilds computers, given typical headsink and power supply fan failure rates. Not to mention the failure rate of PS2s due to dust and fines build-up.
Power supplies do tend to have failures- but that is because most people buy the cheapest hardware they can, and manufacturers know that they can cut prices by using butt-cheap fans. If you use a quality fan (like the ones Nintendo wisely chose) it won't break down, and will cycle dust out, not in as the ps2 allegedly does.
That's a great example of poor airflow planning. This is why you should plan out your fan placement before getting the fans themselves, when making a computer. Again the GCN stands out as a great example of good planning- note that any dust you collect, unless you jam youre GCN against a wall, is on the outside of the fan. I live in a very dusty house, but my GCN is fine. My Xbox gets kinda dusty, but it still does fine.
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