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#1 Lance9384

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Posted 19 June 2005 - 11:12 PM

http://www.gameinfor....1915.59084.htm

BB: That’s something that, you (Bill Trinen – Localization Team) and I have talked about with the release of the Zelda compilation disc, cleaning up some of the spellings like Ganon, and making sure everything is cohesive. Maybe that’s an American thing – us wanting to know how it all works together. I guess that leads me to my next questions. How do the Links in The Four Swords Adventure relate to the overall story line? Or is it just a subchapter or something like that?

EA: The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we’re thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.

This is an interview last year with Eiji talking FSA. He claims that FS was the oldest tale in the timeline. Now, tMC wasn't released at the time. Since we know that tMC is a prequel to both Four Sword games, tMC and FS are the official two first games in the timeline. Is FSA directly after, or is OoT? :deadlink:

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Posted 19 June 2005 - 11:45 PM

This has been argued so many times. Basically go by what you want to believe. Though, personally, I don't see how TMC and FS could come first other than the creators say they do. Other than that, there's not much within the game to justify sucha placement.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 12:43 AM

I'll say OOT comes first till I die...

Thanks for the info though...

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:34 AM

I knew they thought this, but it completely disagrees with the AoL backstory, unless you go by massive conincidences.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 01:21 PM

Remember my 4th timeline. You all said FSA could not come before Oot because the Dark World was not around before Ganon made his wish.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:05 PM

Except, in FSA, it is.

It also has a different origin story for Ganon.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:09 PM

Y'all know where I stand on this. If you don't, read my timeline, ya twink! TMC I can agree with, as it's placement is vague other than it comes before any FS game EVAR. FS and FSA, however, seem to share a Link, and FSA has undeniable ties to LTTP flowing out the wazoo. Cause as the kids say, like, woah! blippity bleep blop bloop! In ya kool aid!

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:11 PM

I'll settle for the FS games being one of the earlier games, as in some time between OoT and the rest of the series. They can't fit anywhere else unless you pretend Ganon is separate from Ganondorf and predates him and Ganondorf somehow went from being imprisoned for nearly destroying Hyrule and becoming the ancient demon reborn to being a normal human again and inside the kIng's circle of trust. TMC I don't care about. It's story concerns only Vaati and the forging of the Four Sword. It's placement doesn't really affect the overall storyline so it can be anywhere before the FS games.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:15 PM

Pssh. No. We'e argued it and only TMC before OoT could make sense. Even if some of the creators think so, then they're wrong because they haven't thought it through properly like we have. And it's TMC not tMC.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:24 PM

If FSA occurs after OoT...

Who's the Ganon in FSA?

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:29 PM

The Ganon from OoT.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 03:09 PM

Except, Ganon from OoT was born to the Gerudo.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 03:12 PM

And?

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:16 PM

BORN.

Grew up from a young child. 100 years after the last bloke.

AND SO WAS THE GANON FROM FSA. They even make reference to him being a child.

How can he therefore be the same Ganon? Unless he grew up twice?

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:21 PM

You're not making any sense. What bloke before the Ganon in OoT? I'll just assume you meant to say FSA not OoT here. There's a few explantions but the one I personally use is that the Ganondorf from FSA is reincarntion of the one from OoT, possibly as part of some ressurection ritual of the old Ganon. But he was born a regular human so he goes in search of the Trident of Power and assumes his former demonic form. I also place OoX before FSA.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:27 PM

I edited my post, not sure if you read that.

I meant 100 years after the last bloke because every 100 years a male is born to the Gerudo race.

It all seems rather bizarre how Ganon has two origin stories, that's all.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:30 PM

Edit: I'll come up with a less gay answer later.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:50 PM

Reincarnation is the only thing that works in either game.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 05:18 PM

Edit: I'll come up with a less gay answer later.


Why, surely that must be physically impossible for you.

Zing.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:38 PM

No. It's impossible for you to give me a straight answer.

And no zinging allowed.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:59 PM

Please tell me this isn't going to turn into another bay/bi disccusion. :deadlink:

We'e argued it and only TMC before OoT could make sense.

Gee, really? And here I thought the only scrap of evidence of TMC being before OoT was in misinterpeted quote from the same creator who turned Ganondorf to stone and flooded Hyrule. My mistake.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:04 PM

The gerudo could simply have a huge life-span, or the ones from FSA could be relating second hand information about Ganondorf's childhood, derived from old stories. If Ganondorf has outlived generations of his people, he's liable to be spoken of for some time.

Also the "that child's heart grew dark and twisted"(possibly paraphrased) sounded like it was cut and pasted straight out of OoT.

I also don't see why FS and FSA neccessarily have to have the same Link. I've heard it around, but I've yet to see any solid evidence.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:40 PM

I think the FSA manual says that Link is the same person who defeated Vaati in FS.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:50 PM

After that, a long time passed.

Then, the wind sorcerer Vaati broke out of his prison and then snatched the POrincess Zelda of Hyrule.

Zelda's childhood friend, a young boy named Link, claimed the strange power of the Four Sword and fought Vaati fiercely. In the end, he succeeded in sealing Vaati away once again.

And so, peace was restored to Hyrule once again.

Or so everyone thought...

So, it's pretty obvious that FS Link and HA Link are the same.

And why did they say "once again" twice in a row in that? Bad grammer, bad grammer!

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 08:26 PM

The gerudo could simply have a huge life-span, or the ones from FSA could be relating second hand information about Ganondorf's childhood, derived from old stories. If Ganondorf has outlived generations of his people, he's liable to be spoken of for some time.

Also the "that child's heart grew dark and twisted"(possibly paraphrased) sounded like it was cut and pasted straight out of OoT.

I also don't see why FS and FSA neccessarily have to have the same Link. I've heard it around, but I've yet to see any solid evidence.


There's no evidence to believe otherwise either.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 09:37 PM

The fact that they refer to the Link from FS as Zelda's childhood friend Link, then you start the new game as Zelda's childhood friend Link really points towards Nintendo intending them to be the same Link - otherwise, you're just confusing the issue. Notice that in TWW they never refer to the Hero of Time as being Link.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 01:26 PM

No. It's impossible for you to give me a straight answer.

And no zinging allowed.


But aren't YOU the one who can't give a straight answer? Fyxe's can be interpreted both ways.

BA-zing!

Oh, and Link transcends to FS and FSA! OOOOOoooo

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 01:32 PM

Gee, really? And here I thought the only scrap of evidence of TMC being before OoT was in misinterpeted quote from the same creator who turned Ganondorf to stone and flooded Hyrule. My mistake.


Nope. Try reading some of the threads on TMC timeline placement.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 02:22 PM

But aren't YOU the one who can't give a straight answer? Fyxe's can be interpreted both ways.

BA-zing!

Oh, and Link transcends to FS and FSA! OOOOOoooo


Last time I checked, something that can swing both ways isn't straight. That goes for both Fyxe and her answers.

SHA-zing!

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 04:36 PM

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