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#1 D~N

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 08:34 PM

O.K. I'm new, but I have been following the Forum for a while now, and I believe I know who everyone is. For those that can't figure this out, I am the same person as Iron~knuckle in the fan art gallery.
Well, here we go-

OoT-MM-MC-FS(A)-LoZ-Aol-OoX--- ---WW-LA-Z'05-ALttP

Links-2 Zeldas-2 Ganons-1 Tingles-Erm...
Light force=ToW || Oox is links last departure || IW is (Z'05 for now, or OoT)

Oot starts it all. The future Oot doesn't really happen except for the sealing of Ganon. In MM, he loses the ToC, and later comes back to an altered Hyrule. MC and FS(A) are next, followed by LoZ and several years later, Z II - AoL. Link leaves for the final time in OoX.
*hundreds of years*
Now comes the WW. The unknowing Link goes on a quest seeking knowledge (about Ganon) in LA. Now (we hope) Z'05 is next, followed by ALttP, so that the MS could sleep forever!
well?...

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 08:49 PM

Ah, nice theory. But one problem. I can buy a OoT-MM-FS-FSA connection or even an OoT-MM-TMC with some fanwanking. But TMC and the FS games cannot be the same Link because TMC is supposed to be story of the origins of Vaati, who, in the original FS, was last heard from ages ago. You should also take in account Ganon being an ancient evil reborn and HA's geography being eerily simmilar to ALttP.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 08:54 PM

Also, another thing I noticed, you put the Imprisoning War WAY too far before LTTP. I mean, I guess Z05 could be it, but you can't consider it to be OoT seeing as how many eons ago it was.

Also, two Links? Come on. Your Link 1 meets Zelda 1 four times. I think they know each other well enough by then that she doesn't have to introduce herself four times. Same for your Link/Zelda 2.

The timeline's relatively good, but for the love of Din, don't say that there are only two links. That'll make my head a splode.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:08 PM

Actually, technically OoT and OoX are the only games Zelad introduces herself to Link. ALttP it's a little infered. And LoZ... was there any plot at all?

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:09 PM

Yeah, there have to be at least 5 or 6 links. At LEAST.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:11 PM

FS(A) reasons-well, those are the two games i have yet to play :( [and LA] so i really dont know about those, but many people put them right after MC or at least near them, so i kinda stuck 'em in.

2 links/zeldas reasons-- well, think about it. The Oot is the only one they dont know each other in the first half. Oot-they introduce themselves to each other. || MM-not in || MC- the king said they were friends in their youth. ||FS(A)-never played.:( ||LoZ & AoL- they don't talk. ||OoX-not in (much...) // Second half-- WW-introduce each other ||LA - never played, but i know it's a dream || Z'05-not out (duh). ||ALttP- they seemed to know each other.

Now my question to you all is-where should FS(A) go in my timeline? thnx!

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:26 PM

Well lemme help you out some. FS and FSA are separate games and take place after TMC but quite a while after since Vaati has been stuck in a sword for some time. Secondly, in OoX, Zelda does introduce herself to Link. Also Zelda and Link's relationship is not the only factor to consider. In FSA, *spoiler* Link and Zelda know each other but Zelda recognizes Ganon as an demon from anicent times and not someone they had recently fought.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:27 PM

In LttP Link has an uncle, in OoT Link was abandoned as a child and raised as a Kokiri, in WW he has a grandma, in TMC he has a grandfather. All different people.

Also, Zelda introduces herself to Link in the Oracles.

LA is a sequel to LttP, the prologue in the manual all but directly says so (fulfilled prophecy, killed Ganon etc). LttP is set a long long time before the NES games, the back of the (Japanese) box says so. OoT and MM are set a long time before LttP for obvious reasons.

In WW the locations of the Triforce pieces picks up from where OoT left off, Ganon has Power, the Royals have Wisdom and Courage got scattered about when the Hero of Time left for another adventure.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:30 PM

^ So does LoZ.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 01:28 AM

In AoL, the ToC has been hidden for generations. It can't thne be the same Link who left Hyrule for MM who comes back to find it, unless you say that hundreds of years passed in Hyrule whilst Link wsa in Termina.
And TWW follows directly on from OoT, as is seen all over the place. Sages windows, Ganon, the triforce...

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:04 AM

It doesn't have to be direct, that could just be the most well know defeat of Ganon or something to that effect. AND why do the FS games have to screw up everything! I'm begining to want to just put them in the own little section, like so:

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX--Great flood--WW-LA-Z'05-ALttP-- FS(A)
Links-3 Zeldas-3 Ganons-1

Zelda's in FS(A), right?..?...?....
Oh, the reason I put the (A) is 'cause i don't know which goes first,FS or FSA, but you guys all do (I hope).

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:44 AM

It doesn't have to be direct, that could just be the most well know defeat of Ganon or something to that effect.  AND why do the FS games have to screw up everything!  I'm begining to want to just put them in the own little section, like so:

OoT-MM-MC-LoZ-AoL-OoX--Great flood--WW-LA-Z'05-ALttP--  FS(A)
Links-3  Zeldas-3  Ganons-1

Zelda's in FS(A), right?..?...?....
Oh, the reason I put the (A) is 'cause i don't know which goes first,FS or FSA, but you guys all do (I hope).


Zelda is in both Four Swords games. Four Swords Adventures takes place after Four Swords.

Link has a grandfather in The Minish Cap, and thus is not the guy from OoT and MM. The Triforce of Courage had been hidden for hundreds of years in AoL, thus it is also a different Link.

LttP takes place hundreds of years before the NES games, it says so on the back of the Japanese box, there's no debate about it. Zelda introduces herself to Link in the Oracle games, thus that is also a different Link.

LA takes place shortly after LttP, the manual says that Link had fulfilled the prophecy of slaying Ganon - this was a reference to LttP.

It doesn't work very well to squeeze games inbetween MM and WW because the locations of the Triforce in WW carries on from where OoT had left off. The Triforce of Courage for example was said to have split into eight pieces when the Hero of Time had left for another adventure and sure enough in Wind Waker it is still in eight pieces. As I pointed out above, the Hero of Time is the Link from OoT and MM and no other games.

It makes more sense for the Four Swords games to take place not too long after TMC and before LttP, because the GBA version of LttP has a bonus dungeon in which the Four Sword has been trapped in the pyramid in the Dark World and split into four separate swords.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:23 AM

Also, the japanese (and to a degree, the English) LttP box and booklet stated it was a prequel to LoZ and AoL.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:54 PM

I don't believe that though.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:00 PM

Ok, lets try this again.

OoT-MM-LttP-LoZ-AoL-OoX==G.F.==WW-LA-MC-Z'05-FS-FSA

-OK, the SSBM trophy of young link says this: ''many concider this to be the true Link. In fact, young link is the original nes links'' ~ or something to that effect.
-you guys said that lttp goes before LoZ, so there ya go.
-I believe that Shigsy once said that AoL is right after LoZ, but i could be wrong....
-OoX goes good where it is.

- WW-duh.
- LA doesnt have to be about alttp, he just DEFEATED GANON in WW, he goes on a quest ON A RAFT, AT SEA. that screams WW!!!
- MC says they are childhood friends, zelda and link, that is.
- Z'05-still not out yet >:( .
- FS & FSA just seem to go at the end, but quotes would be nice.
Well, thats all i got...

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:01 PM

I don't believe that though.


What?

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:07 PM

LA doesnt have to be about alttp, he just DEFEATED GANON in WW, he goes on a quest ON A RAFT, AT SEA. that screams WW!!!

The games creators intended for LA to be a sequel. How can it be a sequel to a game that was not even existing at the time.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:13 PM

A lot of timelines disprove that. LoZ was the first game out, so it has to be first in the timeline. Yeah sure and MM is Alttp, uh huh, yup. ;)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:17 PM

Link's Awakening was made as a sequel to Link to the Past.

Link's Awakening cannot feature the same Link as The Wind Waker because Agahnim is in the Wind Fish's dream, as is Ganon with his trident and the manual states that Link was returning to Hyrule before the lightning struck his boat.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:48 PM

The only part of LA I count is the begining before the dream. That's it. I mean, the Wind fish could have had a dream about cherry pies falling from the sky. His dream just happened to feature older baddies, it could have been about Majora or sometin'.
EDIT: the whole grandfather thing, I believe that he just excepted link as family, i maen he needs someone to hang with. Oh, and it's posible that they just threw him in for gaming reasons, not to effect the timeline...

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:58 PM

So the Wind Fish dreamed about things from the future?

Either way the instruction manual can't be ignored, and it makes it clear enough that it's a sequel to Link to the Past.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:14 PM

No No, look again. My -new- timeline says that lttp is way before LA. And sequel as in directly after, or just ''after''? cause LA is after, but i think u mean directlly, well there's another monkey wrench.....

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:45 PM

It has to be the same Link from LttP. LA's manual says that Link had previously fulfilled the Hyrulian prophecy of the Legendary Hero and defeated Ganon - the only game that this happens in is Link to the Past.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:53 PM

But the hyrulean prophecy was also fulfilled in WW. It was the defeat of ganon that never happened in WW's opening, but then did, thanks to Link (from the wind waker).
It's a legend, thats like a prophecy, the people 'praying the hero would come' kinda explain why it's a prophecy. The legend was passed down for generations, thats like a prophecy.
So I conclude that it must be after WW, with the raft, defeat of Ganondorf, the unknowledgable link going out on a quest for knowledge, compleating the prophecy, i believe that LA is after WW.
!if there is anything against this (quotes) can I please see them? Thanks! :D

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:58 PM

EDIT: the whole grandfather thing, I believe that he just excepted link as family, i maen he needs someone to hang with. Oh, and it's posible that they just threw him in for gaming reasons, not to effect the timeline...


So you accept the words on the SSBM trophy as more canon than Link having a grandfather? :|

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:04 PM

Actually, in my newest timeline it doesn't mater how he got a grandfather anymore. His grandmother could have hooked up (EEEEW creepy thought...) But i don't think my favorite multi-player game will let me down. Yes I believe that SSBM is 100% fact. (if it isn't, im sueing......... j/k)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:13 PM

But the hyrulean prophecy was also fulfilled in WW. It was the defeat of ganon that never happened in WW's opening, but then did, thanks to Link (from the wind waker).
It's a legend, thats like a prophecy, the people 'praying the hero would come' kinda explain why it's a prophecy. The legend was passed down for generations, thats like a prophecy.
So I conclude that it must be after WW, with the raft, defeat of Ganondorf, the unknowledgable link going out on a quest for knowledge, compleating the prophecy, i believe that LA is after WW.
!if there is anything against this (quotes) can I please see them? Thanks! :D


http://dictionary.re...arch?q=prophecy

Where was the pophecy in Wind Waker? A simple legend or story is not a prophecy because it is not a prediction of the future.

There's also the very important fact that Wind Waker wasn't even conceptualised until nearly 10 years after Link's Awakening's release. There were only three games released before Link's Awakening, and only one in which Link fulfilled the Hyrulian prophecy and defeated Ganon - Link to the Past.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:17 PM

The SSBM trohpies are really inaccurate. They said Meta Knight's first appearance was in Kirby Super Star, but it was really Kirby's Dreamland. Princess Daisy had three eyes if you positioned the camera right. There are way more than one spelling mistakes. Besides, the SSB games never happened, anyway.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:21 PM

But the hyrulean prophecy was also fulfilled in WW. It was the defeat of ganon that never happened in WW's opening, but then did, thanks to Link (from the wind waker).
It's a legend, thats like a prophecy, the people 'praying the hero would come' kinda explain why it's a prophecy. The legend was passed down for generations, thats like a prophecy.
So I conclude that it must be after WW, with the raft, defeat of Ganondorf, the unknowledgable link going out on a quest for knowledge, compleating the prophecy, i believe that LA is after WW.
!if there is anything against this (quotes) can I please see them? Thanks!

But there was no prophecy in TWW. A legend and a Prophecy are two entirely different things. a Legend is a mythical story of past events, and a prophecy is a mythical, possibly divine prediction of the future destined to come true. Besides, why would TWW have a raft when he has the King of Red Lions and Tetra's Pirate ship? Also, LA's manual says Link saved Hyrule. That didn't happen in TWW. It was destroyed.

So you accept the words on the SSBM trophy as more canon than Link having a grandfather?


He has a point. All information from a game and it's manual HAS to be taken as fact. Any information from a magazine or third party game must be omitted if it's contradictory.

OoT-MM-LttP-LoZ-AoL-OoX==G.F.==WW-LA-MC-Z'05-FS-FSA


Now, to break down your timeline. OOT and MM are fine, but TWW MUST be moved. There are no game inbetween MM and TWW. Otherwise the timeline is an unfixable paradox. Play OOT and TWW again and pay close attention, and you'll see why. There's Ganondorf's Seal, the Master Sword (which sleeps forever after LTTP) the Triforce, and the state of Hyrule. LTTP is fine where it is after moving LTTP, but as we all said, LA has to be moved. LOZ, AOL, and OOX are fine. FS and FSA have to be moved. Because of the close similarity to LTTP's geography, they have to be put before LTTP. There's also matters like the Maidens, Ganon, and the Dark World. Then finally, TMC. I put this before OOT, because it's the origin of Link's hat, the origin of Vaati and the Four Sword (and possibly the Master Sword) and explains the origin of Zelda's psychic powers.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:25 PM

Thanks. Now what about this. The legend in the intro of WW says :

|| The hero had defeated the great Evil (Ganon in OoT) *skip ahead skip ahead* When the darkness threatend them again, the people awaited the heros return (prophecy; they PREDICTED his return). But he did not come. ||

(not exaxt quotes but ya know...) Anyway, the WW link defeating the Evil (ganon) in WW compleated this prophecy. He DID come, and that was what they awaited. so, wa'cha got? ;)

EDIT: you beat me to the reply. Well look at the definition. It says as one PREDICTION. thats a word you used in your reply. raft thing- notice how at the end *spoiler?-->* he leaves in tetra's boat *:D

I don't know y, but i really do like the idea of LA after the WW, It just all fits except the prophecy thing curently being debated. I mean, if i were link, and I just had to go with a talkin' boat, go underwater, and defeat an old, fat, monster type thing of evil, I'd be like :blink: :blink: wa??? And go out on a journy to learn about him, incase it happens again, and it does... In LttP, he seems to know whats going on, and is older than WW link, I mean, he is just 10 or 11 in WW, poor guy.
Oh, and I have played OoT & WW both 4 times, and yeah, the stained galss & stuff like that makes a huge connection, yeah i mean how can someone know they are not connected, the two games. Anyone notice the paintings of the pirates as the old royal family, I just thought that was perty kewl... Sorry for the randomness.......




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