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#1 Fin

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:58 AM

So, I was thinking about some of the arguments for Minish Cap's placement, and it occurred to me that gibberish on a random book in some library somewhere and Link getting a hat both make for pretty compelling arguments. I struggled for a while trying to decide which placement was better, pre-OoT or post-WW, when an awesome idea hit me.

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So, in this version Link and Tetra discover a new land sometime after Phantom Hourglass. In spite of the king's wishes they name it Hyrule, because old people's opinions don't count. The world of Zelda, of course, runs on the laws of narrative perseveration, and so the new land is exactly the same as the old one, right down to having a holy land and a triangular wish-granting relic. Anyway, events repeat themselves, until the gods find themselves forced to flood the world yet again. This basically keeps happening until the land is completely submerged.


EDIT: "Awesome timeline" was just supposed to be the placeholder name while I previewed this post, but... eh. Whatever. It fits.

Edited by Fintin O'Brien, 24 September 2009 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:44 AM

Only a single subsequent flood would be required. Post-flood mountains in theory shouldn't be very tall.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:54 AM

My original idea was to have the games endlessly loop from Minish Cap to Phantom Hourglass, until I remembered that damn flood and had to figure in a continuously rising water level. But I figured I wasn't going to allow common sense and logic to stand in the way of having a few iterations.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 10:33 AM

You forgot Spirit Tracks.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 10:53 AM

I keep forgetting that they gave Fintin a copy to play in advance.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 11:20 AM

It all makes sense now....

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 01:23 PM

This is the best timeline EVER MADE.

Fuck Triforce of Time theory, this is the new king.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 04:01 PM

This is more well-thought out than most of ZU's theories. Well done, good sir.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 06:14 PM

You forgot Spirit Tracks.

I keep forgetting that they gave Fintin a copy to play in advance.


Yeah, that "100 years" line was crap. The plot is about the same Link from WW/PH. He and Tetra found the new Hyrule, but it comes under attack from a horde of monsters, who destroy Link's hat in a heart-wrenching scene. He seals them away with the aid of the Minish, of course, who then take the credit for Zelda's strong life force for some reason. grr*

The guy who gave me the copy told me it wasn't the finalised version though, and I hear Miyamoto upended another tea table, so the plot may differ a little from this in the release version. (My contact also tells me they're gonna just stop having tea parties at HQ.)

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 08:51 PM

Well, I'm sold. I'm rewriting my document to argue this theory, it's the best timeline I've ever seen.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 11:07 PM

Hm, I mistook OoT's box art to be ALttP's box art.

Now that I've realized my mistake, this makes perfect sense.

And I never really got from TWW that the entire world was flooded, so it would make sense for me for there to be at least a few iterations.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 11:36 PM

Someone give this man a medal!

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 11:52 PM

And I never really got from TWW that the entire world was flooded


I always thought of it that way for some reason. Thinking of all those unfortunate Labrynnians and Holodrum... guys always puts a smile on my face.

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 01:11 AM

I have two qualms that keep me skeptical about this theory:

First, if the cycle is repeating itself, then the land must be completely de-flooded every time a new iteration of TMC comes around. Yet according to your theory, the land eventually becomes completely submerged. Because the land de-floods each time until that point, it is logically impossible for the...

waaait for iiiit...

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...to be a simple additive process. For this theory to be plausible, the goddesses would have to increase the amount of flooding over each iteration of the cycle. Yes, people disobeying the will of the gods over and over deserves divine punishment, and floods are a good way of dealing out the punishment, but why would the goddesses feel the need to increase the punishment over time until none of their creations (the main races) would be able to survive?

Secondly, if I recall correctly, Aonuma confirmed that the Zora evolved into the Rito. If the MC-OoT-WW-PH pattern repeats itself, then that would require the reappearance of the Zora at the tail end of each iteration. But where would the Zora reappear from if all the Zora have evolved into the Rito?

He seals them away with the aid of the Minish, of course, who then take the credit for Zelda's strong life force for some reason. grr*


YOU ARE NOW AWARE THAT THE MINISH ARE EQUIVALENT OF MIDICHLORIANS

Edited by Atrus's Homeboy, 25 September 2009 - 01:27 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2009 - 01:15 AM

No no, the flood waters never recede. The new Hyrule is founded on another continent, identical to the last in every way except for height.

As for the Zoras, only the Hyrulean ones change. The rest of the world's Zoras remain the same.

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 01:46 AM

No no, the flood waters never recede. The new Hyrule is founded on another continent, identical to the last in every way except for height.

As for the Zoras, only the Hyrulean ones change. The rest of the world's Zoras remain the same.


Aaaaah, OK. Also, I have the sneaking suspicion that I just took a joke thread seriously. Oh well, at least I got to post ol' Albert.

OH THAT WESKER, ALWAYS GOING ON ABOUT HIS SILLY OUROBOROS :lol:

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 02:05 AM

Whoa...

Ouroboros... the cyclical nature of this timeline... complete global saturation...

...

I think Resident Evil is also part of the Zelda universe!

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 04:53 AM

Whoa...

Ouroboros... the cyclical nature of this timeline... complete global saturation...

...

I think Resident Evil is also part of the Zelda universe!


:whistle: Let's go deeper down the rabbit hole, shall we?

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 03:22 PM

You forgot Spirit Tracks.

I keep forgetting that they gave Fintin a copy to play in advance.


Yeah, that "100 years" line was crap. The plot is about the same Link from WW/PH. He and Tetra found the new Hyrule, but it comes under attack from a horde of monsters, who destroy Link's hat in a heart-wrenching scene. He seals them away with the aid of the Minish, of course, who then take the credit for Zelda's strong life force for some reason. grr*

The guy who gave me the copy told me it wasn't the finalised version though, and I hear Miyamoto upended another tea table, so the plot may differ a little from this in the release version. (My contact also tells me they're gonna just stop having tea parties at HQ.)

Should we really talk about a game that isn't coming out for another 3 months or so?
The rest of my post here is just for the hell of it and I am not entirely serious.
[not completely serious]So you are basically saying that ST is a prequel to the FS games at the prsent moment? That would make timeline theorizing a LOT easier (is Nintendo basically giving away the timeline?). If ST is a prequel to TMC my timeline would go like this:
....../TWW/PH/ST-TMC-FS/FSA-LOZ/AOL
OOT
.....\MM-TP-ALTTP/LA-OOX

This would destroy a lot of speculation in the timeline. Mabe Zelda Wii will be the IW (a permanent IW that is). That would fit since Link didn't have a sword in that piece of artwork that was shown.
Are the monsters mentioned here monsters that served Ganon and trying to avenge his death or something? Does this mean the Picori blade is the Master Sword? If it is that is the biggest mistake that anyone can ever make (I shouldn't have to mention why).
This would be a nice idea for ST if it would become the finalized version of the story unless we have a repeat of what happened with FSA grr* (Miyomoto seems to like changing the storys right before the games are released for some reason)[/not completely serious]

Edited by ganonlord6000, 25 September 2009 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2009 - 10:52 PM

(Miyomoto seems to like changing the storys right before the games are released for some reason)


You know, Miyamoto's quite the storyteller himself. Take a good look:

So we figured that Link was the logical choice. Then we argued that it would’ve been kind of strange for us to give Link a gun, so I proposed a sort of Terminator style story about a time warp from the future, but…



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Posted 25 September 2009 - 11:26 PM

Wait, where is that quote from? And what game is he talking about?

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 01:08 AM

Wait, where is that quote from? And what game is he talking about?


Quote is from here, page three.

And he's talking about Link's Crossbow Training.

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 06:34 AM

Surely, having never been to Hyrule proper, Tetra would never have been able to rename every single landmark in the new Hyrule after the same landmarks in old Hyrule?

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 07:30 AM

The landmarks of Hyrule are stored in the collective subconscious of all Hylians, obviously.

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 09:30 AM

It would go a long way to explaining the different geography in each game.

Consider if you will their naming conventions. These braindead Hylians wander into a new region. They see a mountain... mountains are dangerous and deadly! Oh that's DEATH MOUNTAIN! But look, those are some woods. Better not get in there, you might get LOST in there. Watch out for that river, it's got ZORA in it. Whoa, did you see that big ol' desert out there? Sure is MYSTERIOUS.

Edited by Masamune, 26 September 2009 - 09:33 AM.


#26 Wolf O'Donnell

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 02:35 PM

Well, yes, you've got a point there. Very few of the names are really original, but what about Kakariko Village? That one must surely throw a spanner in the works. Unless you make up some fanwank about Kakariko being a Hylian word for something.

Edited by Wolf_ODonnell, 26 September 2009 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2009 - 06:32 PM

Well, yes, you've got a point there. Very few of the names are really original, but what about Kakariko Village? That one must surely throw a spanner in the works. Unless you make up some fanwank about Kakariko being a Hylian word for something.


Actually, I remember reading somewhere that Kakariko orginates from the chickens clucking, according to the Japanese or something. :cucco: Similary goro goro is the sound of a stone rolling, hence, Goron.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 01:09 AM

"Kakariko" is, if memory serves, the French onomatopoeia for a chicken. It's not the Japanese one, as far as I know, and France sharing such a thing with Japan would blow my mind. Why Zelda snapped up a foreign animal sound for a town's name is anyone's guess.

Edited by joeymartin64, 27 September 2009 - 01:12 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2009 - 10:07 AM

Perhaps the Hylians are French! :ph34r:

Maybe Ocarina of Time is actually an allegorical retelling of the French Revolution and its subsequent decline into the Terror.

Edited by Wolf_ODonnell, 27 September 2009 - 10:09 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2009 - 01:24 PM

Because the Japanese love Western stuff.




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