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[Chaltab]

Hey, does anybody here know where to find pictures of the original before and afters that Nintendo changed from the Gold Cartridge version to the normal version of Ocarina of Time to be more politically correct?

[Tekky]

Don;t know about the blood (or the Fire Temple Music for that matter) but my PAL version cart (i.e. latest of the carts) of OoT has the original Gerudo Symbol, you could probably find it anywhere online...

[Showsni]

It's been left in some parts of the game, and changed in others. Just look around. I think TSA's speed run has red blood Ganon and chanting...

Here: http://video.google....a speed&pl=true

You can see all the old stuff in this video.

[HarryHatMan]

Why was the music in the fire temple changed, I listened to the chanting, but could not see why they would leave it out.

[Showsni]

It's an Islamic prayer or something.

[Husse]

Mm-hm. Even though it did sound cool. Was the Gerudo symbol, (I don't remember,) the star and moon thing as well?

Man, this doesn't look kosher for the terrorists, even Nintendo is against them. (J/k)

[Tekky]

I actually prefer the "new" version of the Fire Temple music...

[Chiaki]

Yeah, I like the new Fire Temple music, too. I'm not really sure why the Gerudo symbol was changed.....I kinda like it better, too, though.
I really wonder about the blood thing. I could've sworn thart I've seen it in both red and green..........
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly...

[Fizzbit]

The Gerudo symbol used to look like an old Islamic symbol.

[Showsni]

According to a website I found:

The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.

Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.

This leads to the question of alternatives. What other "symbol" represents the faith? Is it necessary to even have a symbol? Take our poll, then come join us for a discussion in the Forum.

It's on lots of flags, like Turkey for instance.

[Kairu Hakubi]

Changing the crescent and star was just rampant over politicalcorrectnessism.. but i have to admit a real-life symbol in zelda looked kinda goofy. Gerudos aren't arabs OR turks, they're gerudos..
As for the chanting, I think that's bollocks. I've listened to it a million times and it's just 'aaheahahhhahheaahhh' it wasn't real sampled sound, the n64 could barely handle that, it was just synthesized vocals, like the temple of time or the sacred realm.

[KeeSomething]

Changing the crescent and star was just rampant over politicalcorrectnessism.. but i have to admit a real-life symbol in zelda looked kinda goofy. Gerudos aren't arabs OR turks, they're gerudos..
As for the chanting, I think that's bollocks. I've listened to it a million times and it's just 'aaheahahhhahheaahhh' it wasn't real sampled sound, the n64 could barely handle that, it was just synthesized vocals, like the temple of time or the sacred realm.

Hope this helps:

[Husse]

Wow. The mirror shield looks THAT different? I'm going to have to play the original again now...