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[Crazy Penguin]

Adventure of Link was the first game to say that there had been many generations of Zelda in Hyrule's royal family. The backstory says that long ago the King of Hyrule used the Triforce to maintain order, but when he died his son did not inherit the full Triforce, the Triforce of Courage was hidden and only Zelda knew about it, Zelda's brother hired a magician the make Zelda talk, she refused and the magician got angry and put her into a magical sleep and then died on the spot, Zelda's brother then decreed that future generations of girls in the royal family would be named Zelda. The game revolves around Link searching for the Triforce of Courage and using it to awaken the sleeping Zelda.

The next game in the series, A Link to the Past, is a story about the predecessors of Link and Zelda on the NES game according to the back of the box (both US and Japanese, I'd lvoe if someone would be able to provide exact quotes).

Does it seem to anyone else that Link to the Past is supposed to feature the sleeping Zelda from Adventure of Link, or at least was at the time it was made?

At the time the sleeping Zelda was implied to be the very first Zelda. Although we know that is not true now, since the release of Ocarina of Time, if we look at just the first three games all of the evidence points towards Zelda in LttP being the sleeping Zelda. The sleeping Zelda was supposedly the first, and all of the other Zeldas since then would have existed in a time where the Triforce of Courage was still hidden away. In Link to the Past all three pieces of the Triforce are present and Link claims it at the end.

From there we could assume that Link gave the Triforce to the King of Hyrule and short few years later all the craziness went down with the Triforce of Courage being hidden, the King passing away and Zelda being put to sleep.

Although we now know that the sleeping Zelda wasn't the first, as shown in Ocarina of Time, there's nothing to contradict LttP Zelda being the sleeping Zelda and the cause for an "official" naming of royal girls (rather than the same coincidence/fate that makes each green-clad hero carry the name Link). The only thing that would put a spanner in the works is if a game containing the Triforce of Courage took place between LttP and the NES games. The Oracle games could fit there, but they could also fit just as happily (if not more so) after the NES games.

What do you think?

[Hana-Nezumi]

i beleive that alttp was supposed to be the sleeping zelda when alttp came out, since it was first game in the timeline at the time. on a side note, isn't it cool how aol made it so that all the princesses from then on in the series would be named zelda? its like they knew there would be a problem in the future of having more than one zelda and people not knowing that they were supossed to be different people. but then again, it seems like they weren't suspecting any more zeldas to come before alttp zelda, since she seems to be the sleeping zelda. they were probably thinking that the next games were going to come after aol.

[Hero of Slime]

AttP Zelda=Sleeping Zelda works for my timeline.

[Hylian Diety]

No. I don't quite agree. Just because we don't see this sleeping princess in any other games doesn't mean she doesn't precede all of them, including OoT. Not to mention you're forgetting a few big facts. In AoL it says the prince was greedy and wanted the Triforce of Wisdom, in ALttP Zelda doesn't even necessarilly have the Triforce of Wisdom for the wizard (Agahnim) to take. Nor does she even have a brother....Not to mention Agahnim is killed in ALttP and Zelda is awake by the time the game ends and AoL's backstory says she's still asleep.

It just doesn't work. No.

[Crazy Penguin]

No. I don't quite agree. Just because we don't see this sleeping princess in any other games doesn't mean she doesn't precede all of them, including OoT. Not to mention you're forgetting a few big facts. In AoL it says the prince was greedy and wanted the Triforce of Wisdom, in ALttP Zelda doesn't even necessarilly have the Triforce of Wisdom for the wizard (Agahnim) to take. Nor does she even have a brother....Not to mention Agahnim is killed in ALttP and Zelda is awake by the time the game ends and AoL's backstory says she's still asleep.

It just doesn't work. No.

Re-read my post, you're arguing against something I never said.

I never said that the sleeping Zelda was the very first Zelda (I said the opposite infact), I said that she was probably intended to be the first Zelda up until Ocarina of Time was made and that got changed.

The Prince wanted to know the whereabouts of the Triforce of Courage, not Wisdom. Zelda did not possess the Triforce of Courage, but her father had told her where it was.

I never suggested that the wizard was Agahnim.

I'm suggesting that the backstory of Adventure of Link took place shortly after the end of Link to the Past.

[Hylian Diety]

Re-read my post, you're arguing against something I never said.

I never said that the sleeping Zelda was the very first Zelda (I said the opposite infact), I said that she was probably intended to be the first Zelda up until Ocarina of Time was made and that got changed.

The Prince wanted to know the whereabouts of the Triforce of Courage, not Wisdom. Zelda did not possess the Triforce of Courage, but her father had told her where it was.

I never suggested that the wizard was Agahnim.

I'm suggesting that the backstory of Adventure of Link took place shortly after the end of Link to the Past.

No, re-read MY post. I said that just because we don't see the sleeping princess in the first game of the series (OoT) doesn't mean she wasn't around BEFORE that. The theory goes that in the sleeping princesses honor, all future princesses are named Zelda and from even before OoT it seems that they're all already named Zelda which points to the fact that the sleeping princess may have been around before then. The only problem there, which I already realize, is where she's stored.

However, as for your other points, the manual says the Prince was looking for Wisdom. Unless I'm highly mislead right now, I'm sure that's what it says. Reread the story again; it says that the King passed down Wisdom to his heirs and gave it to Zelda instead of the prince and he got mad and asked her for it. When she wouldn't tell him, he got the wizard after her. I'm almost positive that's how the story goes.

And still you're not noticing that in ALttP the princess doesn't have a brother....if she did he would easily be a decendent of the Seven Wise Men and would be chased after as well. He doesn't exist, so the ALttP Zelda is NOT the sleeping Zelda...

I know you never suggested the wizard was Agahnim. I made that connection myself.

And the backstory doesn't take place shortly after either because the brother still doesn't exist. So no, the answer is still no.

[Fatgoron]

We were talking about this a while ago.
IIRC the new version of the AoL instruction manual made it apparent that the triforce of courage was hidden in the north palace/castle prior to LoZ, and that the ToC had not been removed from there since before the princess was put to sleep.

I agree with hylian deity, there was no brother mentioned in aLttP, and no real evidence supporting the idea. Presumably aLttP Link would have retained the triforce of courage, and possibly the other two parts if his heart was balanced, so it could feasibly be a generation or two later.

[Crazy Penguin]

No, re-read MY post. I said that just because we don't see the sleeping princess in the first game of the series (OoT) doesn't mean she wasn't around BEFORE that. The theory goes that in the sleeping princesses honor, all future princesses are named Zelda and from even before OoT it seems that they're all already named Zelda which points to the fact that the sleeping princess may have been around before then. The only problem there, which I already realize, is where she's stored.

The Triforce of Courage was hidden in the Great Palace before the soon-to-be-sleeping Zelda's father died. It wasn't recovered until Link did so in Adventure of Link. Thus no games featuring the Triforce of Courage can take place inbetween Zelda being put to sleep and Adventure of Link.

However, as for your other points, the manual says the Prince was looking for Wisdom. Unless I'm highly mislead right now, I'm sure that's what it says. Reread the story again; it says that the King passed down Wisdom to his heirs and gave it to Zelda instead of the prince and he got mad and asked her for it. When she wouldn't tell him, he got the wizard after her. I'm almost positive that's how the story goes.

http://www.zeldalege...nual_story.html

It's Courage. Wisdom and Power are in the first game.

And still you're not noticing that in ALttP the princess doesn't have a brother....if she did he would easily be a decendent of the Seven Wise Men and would be chased after as well. He doesn't exist, so the ALttP Zelda is NOT the sleeping Zelda...

We never see a brother, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't have one.

http://www.zeldalege...nual_story.html

Agahnim had to sacrafice the maiden descendants of the Sages, so he would have no need for Zelda's brother.

[Hylian Diety]

Some of those are valid points. I'm not gonna make myself look like an ass with petty technicalities.

But what about Ganon being completely slain at the end of ALttP? And his sudden reappearance in LoZ. And the brother thing still doesn't make much sense. You can say just because he wasn't around doesn't mean he was there, but I'm pretty damn sure he would have played SOME role in ALttP if he were around. Where was he to rescue his sister when she was taken by Agahnim? And it says the King used the Triforce to govern Hyrule, and in ALttP he doesn't have it at all; as a matter of fact it's hidden in the Sacred Realm.

Some things make sense, I'll give you that much, but you can't pull much more without a lot of fanfiction. Still no.

[Crazy Penguin]

But what about Ganon being completely slain at the end of ALttP? And his sudden reappearance in LoZ.

Well, ignoring all game aside from the first three, the problem would still exist if LttP took place after the NES games, because he was completely slain at the end of LoZ too. We do know that Ganon can be brought back to life though, as told in AoL and shown in the Oracles, so that isn't really much of a problem.

And the brother thing still doesn't make much sense. You can say just because he wasn't around doesn't mean he was there, but I'm pretty damn sure he would have played SOME role in ALttP if he were around. Where was he to rescue his sister when she was taken by Agahnim? And it says the King used the Triforce to govern Hyrule, and in ALttP he doesn't have it at all; as a matter of fact it's hidden in the Sacred Realm.

Link gained the Triforce at the end of LttP and brought the king back to life. I don't think it's too unreasonable to assume that he'd give it to the royal family.

The Oracles Zelda would be a better fit, as we see the Triforce being held in Hyrule's castle, however I'm thinking about what the creators may have intended when AoL and LttP were first being created. If the creators still had the idea of the sleeping Zelda being the very first Zelda in mind when they created LttP then the LttP Zelda and sleeping Zelda would have to be one and the same.

I mean, the first Zelda game's plot was just a normal story, the second Zelda game's plot revolved around a previous generation Princess Zelda, the very first (at the time) princess Zelda and then the next game was a prequel about a previous generation's Zelda, a Zelda at a time when the Triforce of Courage wasn't hidden. I think that the connection was supposed to be pretty strong.