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#1 Guest_cheesedude_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 09:46 AM

Hi everyone, I've been surfing around this site for a while and have tried to establish my own timeline theory. I'm not a fan of the split-timeline theory - this is single timeline. Any comments, arguments, criticisms are welcome!

Link I - OoT/MM
This is obvious, it's how any theory starts, after all. At the end of OoT, Link I has the ToC, Zelda has ToW and Ganon locked in the Sacred Realm has ToP. Master Sword is in the temple of time. Hyrule Castle is located on the northern part of Hyrule. The Sacred Stones rest in the Temple of Time. I believe that the large rocks in Death Mountain Crater are Spectactle Rock.

Link II - TWW
Years pass and Ganon escapes the Sacred Realm. Hyrule is caught in a great flood, leaving only islands where the mountaintops were. The Kokiri become the Koroks. The Zora disappear and the Rito race is born. Gorons are near extinct save some traveling merchants. Geredous are nowhere to be found. Hyrule Castle is destroyed and a new one is built in the former location of Lon Lon Ranch. The Master Sword is placed in its basement. Moblins and Darknuts ravange the castle and it is frozen in time. The Sacred Stones are transformed into the Pearls of the Goddesses. The ToC is split into 8 pieces and hidden at the bottom of the sea. At the end, the Triforce is split once again. (Is this right or is the triforce complete?)

Link III - aLttP/LA
The Pearls of the Godesses become the Pendants of Virtue. Link defeats Ganon with power of the Master Sword and Silver Arrows. He is killed outright. The great sea is drained. Link has the full Triforce and palces it in Hyrule castle.

Link IV - Oos/OoA
The completed Triforce is placed in Hyrule Castle. Link travels to Holodrum and Labyrnna. Twinrova sacrifices herself to revive Ganon. (What is the status of the Triforce at the end of both of these games.) I'm assuming the ToP is with Ganon once again - otherwise the rest of my timeline is screwed.....

Link V - LoZ/AoL
The Triforce of Courage is placed in the Great Palace of Northern Hyrule, a section of the kingdom not seen in other games. Towns are named after the seven sages and other figures of importance. Zelda scatters the ToW to dungeons across Hyrule. Kakariko Village and Hyrule Castle are destroyed by Ganon's minions. Ganon holds the ToP. Link recovers teh ToW and defeats Ganon with the Silver Arrows, killing him outright once again. Ganon's minions want to kill Link to ressurect him. Link gets the ToC and halts Ganon from being revived.

What do you guys think? :tri:

#2 Guest_Darkseid_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 11:21 AM

This timeline is the same as just about any timeline theory. Also where is Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, and the Minish Cap. Also Ganon doesn't need the Triforce of Power in OoS/OoA because as you already stated the COMPLETE Triforce is in Hyrule Castle, how could he have the Triforce of Power.

#3 The Kremling

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 11:23 AM

Where would you place TMC, FS, and FSA? You forgot them.

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 11:42 AM

Link I - OoT/MM
This is obvious, it's how any theory starts, after all.

It's not how my theory starts...

Anyway, how do you account for the events at the beginning of aLttP? Do you place the Imprisoning War between TWW and aLttP?
Where does the backstory from AoL come in your theory?

#5 Tri-Enforcer

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 11:58 AM

Most people who ahere to the single timeline, say that the great sea "drained" or the lands "reconnected" before LTTP (or at least start to)--not after LTTP. You also fail to explain how does Ganon retrieve the ToP at the start of LoZ (don't feel bad no one has a confident answer on that one). Where do you put FS, FSA, and MC if you've even kept up with those games.

#6 Hana-Nezumi

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 12:51 PM

Nintendo pratically said that there was a split timeline:

Q: Where does The Wind Walker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a . . .
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

#7 Guest_cheesedude_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 01:23 PM

I've not played FS or FSA so I'm not sure where they'd fit in. Where do most people put them?
Minish Cap? Can someone explain (sorry if it's a stupid ?)

Ganon has ToP in Oracles - typo, lol.

Another typo, I meant that Great Sea drains before aLttp.

The Imprisioning War is when ganon escapes but the Knights of Hyrule stop him, correct ?(and the sages come back and seal him) I'd place that between WW and aLttp after the Great Sea is no more. The second time when he does escape and gets the complete Triforce, he is more prepared and isn't stopped as Link's uncle is the only remaining knight.

I'm planning on playing FS and FSA eventually but I'm quite busy right now. Also, when did "Minish Cap" come out for what system?

enchantedtoast, If nintendo ever flat out says that the true timeline is split then I'll stop trying to formulate theories. It just makes much more sense to have a single timeline, with how they have played out the games.

Also the fact that Miyamoto said that WW takes place 100 years after Adult Link defeats Ganon could simply mean 107 years after Link replaces the Master Sword in the Pedastal of Time and goes back to his old life.

#8 Guest_krawler_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 02:50 PM

i didnt played all games, and dont know the story of all games, but i think that is just one timeline and random adventures. like the zelda games made by nintendo have a clear timeline (with ganon returning in ganondorf, or reverse) and the other games made by other enterprises dont, and that screw everyones timeline. recently they are trying to make a clearer timeline but the story wont be total loyal to the timeline. like , zoras were enemys in aLLTP and friendly in OoT and MM, its just for the fun.... i think

#9 Showsni

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 03:54 PM

Minish cap came out on the Gameboy Advance a few weeks ago.

#10 Guest_cheesedude_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 05:05 PM

*Adds The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap to Christmas List.....

#11 Guest_TanakaBros06_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 09:56 PM

Also the fact that Miyamoto said that WW takes place 100 years after Adult Link defeats Ganon could simply mean 107 years after Link replaces the Master Sword in the Pedastal of Time and goes back to his old life.

Wouldn't Miyamoto be retarded then? If that's what he meant, then he said it in the stupidest way possible.

#12 lord-of-shadow

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 10:35 PM

At least you don't adhere to that abomination, the split timeline theory.

From your first and subsequent posts here, this is your timeline:

Link 1
-OoT
-MM

Link 2
-tWW

InterrimI
-Great Sea drains

InterrimII
-Imprisoning War

Link 3
-LttP
-LA

Link 4
-Oracles

Link 5
-LoZ
-AoL

First things first, what is your explanation for Ganon's escape from the stone he is in at the end of tWW?

Second, the Imprisoning War... the Imprisoning War involves Ganondorf Dragmire, human form, gaining the united Triforce and wishing to rule the world, which turns the Golden Realm into the Dark World. That could work out well enough I suppose, if you have Ganon freed from his statue and then gaining the Triforce as described in the LttP manual.

In the American version of the LttP manual, it states that the Master Sword was created during the Imprisoning War... but in the Japanese version, it was created prior to that. Most believe the Japanese version is the more reliable of the two, when they conflict, so that doens't give you nay problems.

Finally, when does AoL's backstory occur, in this timeline?

Minish cap came out on the Gameboy Advance a few weeks ago.

Only in Europe though. it's American release isn't until January.

#13 Guest_cheesedude_*

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 10:44 PM

I put the AoL backstory somewhere between the creation of Hyrule and OoT. Before Ganon was born.

Let's say for a second that a zora found the master sword imbedded in Ganon's head at the bottom of the ocean. He removes it and swims away. Think of the Master Sword as a "seal" of sorts. Removing it from his head breaks the spell and he is freed from the stone.

I place the Imprisioning War during OoT. While Link is dead the world in The Temple of Light. Ganon defeats Hyrule's knights. Link wakes up, beats, Ganon and the sages seal him. Legends get distorted over time. People assume that the hero was the last of Hyrule's Knights aided by the sages, not just a random courageos boy with the Master Sword. (NO, i don't mean Link isn't the chosen one, but if the Hyrulians didn't know that then that's what he'd be to them.)

*Takes Minish Cap off Christmas List*
*Puts aLttp/FS onto Christmas List*

Thanks for clearing that up lord of shadow

#14 Guest_Darkseid_*

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 04:34 AM

The AoL backstory is first in your timeline...that is well.....different. You stated that the Imprisoning War's story could have been distorted over time, yet the backstory of the AoL which is first in your timeline, lasts all the way to the end of your timeline. Shouldn't the backstory of AoL been distorted over time after that long of a period.

I would also like to know what everyone's timeline theory consists of. I wonder how many are the same and how many are different.