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[TheAvengerLever]

Why do we even bother to continually vote for Presidential candidates if, one, the voting power of all individuals isn't actually equal*, and two, our leaders make complete asses out of themselves in their run for government offices**?

Is there actually a good reason as to why this kind of stuff is really allowed to go on?

*Thanks to whoever posted that Death to Pennies video for helping me find these:







**http://factcheck.org...-early-edition/

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 26 July 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[canas is back]

One of the thing it does fail to mention is that it's not just the city but the metropolitan area that's big I mean LA may only have like 3 million in the CITY LIMITS but that ignores the seventy other cities that get lumped with LA. Anyway umm... I can't remember what I was going to say next but I will post it if I remember.

I kind of remember my joke, I don't know what his fuss is it's like he doesn't know the la-lu-le-li-lo decided (anyway it was something like that I just need to go to sleep

Edited by canas is back, 26 July 2012 - 02:16 AM.

[Egann]

The really telling thing is that the constitution specifically states that all powers not specifically listed in it are reserved for the states or local governments, and yet there hasn't been a real discussion of states rights since the Civil War. It's not just that the U.S. Constitution needs a refresh, but that it's also been largely ignored for 150 years. And there are some ridiculously powerful entities like the political parties and special interest groups with vested interests in keeping things exactly as they are.

In so many words, the only way to change things is to formulate a COMPLETE draft of a new constitution, sell it directly to the people until you have a supermajority, and then forcibly ram it down legislators' throats with an ultimatum. If politicians start tweaking things, the vested interests will carve niches out for themselves and the new constitution will be another house of cards.

[arunma]

So I haven't watched the video yet (I promise I will later!). But does it actually acknowledge that the electoral college exists because the founding fathers originally intended that the foolish masses shouldn't elect the most powerful man in the land? Actually, originally the only the only people we actually elected according to the original Constitution, at the federal level anyway, was the representatives. Even the senators were elected by public officials, specifically the state legislatures. There had to be a Constitutional amendment to change that.

Not saying I believe that the original intent of the framers trumps common sense, but I can't say I disagree with them that the level of democracy we have now may not be the best idea...

[Wolf O'Donnell]

I remember reading a New Scientist article saying that all democratic systems have a flaw that make them inherently unfair in some manner or another.

Why democracy is unfair

It's rather troublesome, but cannot be avoided. All systems of government are flawed. Even anarchy itself has obvious flaws... (think Somalia). The question is, are the pros of your system worth it?