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#1 Crimson Lego

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...punishment.html

Penn State football was all but dismantled Monday by an NCAA ruling that wiped away 14 years of coach Joe Paterno's victories and imposed a mountain of fines and penalties, crippling a program whose pedophile assistant coach spent years molesting children, sometimes on school property.
The sanctions by the governing body of college sports also imposed unprecedented fines of $60 million US, ordered Penn State to sit out the post-season for four years, capped scholarships at 20 below the normal limit for four years and placed football on five years' probation.
Current or incoming football players are free to immediately transfer and compete at another school.
The NCAA's sanctions following the worst scandal in the history of college football stopped short of delivering the "death penalty" — shutting down the sport completely. It actually did everything but kill it.
"The sanctions needed to reflect our goals of providing cultural change," NCAA President Mark Emmert said as he announced the penalties at a news conference in Indianapolis.
The NCAA ruling holds the university accountable for the failure of those in power to protect children and insists that all areas of the university community are held to the same high standards of honesty and integrity.
"Against this backdrop, Penn State accepts the penalties and corrective actions announced today by the NCAA," Penn State President Rodney Erickson said in a statement. "With today's announcement and the action it requires of us, the University takes a significant step forward."
Paterno's family said in a statement that the NCAA sanctions defamed the coach's legacy, and were a panicked response to the sex abuse scandal.
The family also says that punishing "past, present and future" students because of Jerry Sandusky's crimes did not serve justice.
The Big Ten announced that Penn State would not be allowed to share in the conference's bowl revenue during the NCAA's post-season ban, an estimated loss of about $13 million. And the NCAA reserved the right to add additional penalties.
Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State defensive co-ordinator, was found guilty in June of sexually abusing young boys, sometimes on campus. An investigation commissioned by the school and released July 12 found that Paterno, who died in January, and several other top officials at Penn State stayed quiet for years about accusations against Sandusky.
Emmert fast-tracked penalties rather than go through the usual circuitous series of investigations and hearings. The NCAA said the $60 million is equivalent to the annual gross revenue of the football program. The money must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at Penn State.
"Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.
By vacating 112 Penn State victories from 1998-2011, the sanctions cost Paterno 111 wins. Former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden will now hold the top spot in the NCAA record book with 377 major-college wins. Paterno, who was fired days after Sandusky was charged, will be credited with 298 wins. Vacated wins are not the same as forfeits — they don't count as losses or wins for either school.


tl;dr Penn State's football program is pretty much destroyed; financially and sports-wise. Not to mention Paterno's 409 wins, which is now whittled down to 298; plus, they took down his statue put up in 2001 the other day.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:35 PM

This isn't just about Paterno. There were several members of Penn State's athletic department that could have put a stop to Sandusky's actions but chose not to. The only reason to make that choice is for the sake of their football program. They really did put football ahead of all else.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

^Pretty much my exact thoughts. They deserve this.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:09 PM

Should have gotten the Death Penalty.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:49 AM

I wish the rest of the victims in society saw some justice, as the victims here are seeing. Perhaps some of that money will help some people out, too.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

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The turnaround time for comparing this to the Catholic Church was nigh instantaneous.

Although... there are oh so many similarities.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

I wish the rest of the victims in society saw some justice, as the victims here are seeing. Perhaps some of that money will help some people out, too.


I doubt that the entire 60 million is gonna go just to the families of the abused kids; they'll probably get a reasonable amount, and then the rest will go to nonprofit anti-sex abuse organizations.

I feel sorry for Bill O'Brien, the new coach who was hired after Paterno got fired. The best he can really do right is make sure as many players as possible get to play to the best of their ability as to be scouted by an NFL team. Other than that...yeah. Bad mistake by Paterno, Spanier, and I think a 3rd guy who might've been the athletic director at the time.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:21 PM

The turnaround time for comparing this to the Catholic Church was nigh instantaneous.

Although... there are oh so many similarities.


Well I think there's a difference here. In the case of Penn State, people were willing to overlook the molestation of kids because of misplaced priorities, i.e. football instead of academics (I doubt the same thing would happen if professors were molesting kids). In the case of the Catholic Church it happened because people were too...focused on religion? I think that's the case one would have to make, and it would be a pretty bad one. There are plenty of arguments we could have about the Catholic Church pertaining to the celibacy requirements for priests and such. But what sort of reforms would one propose for the Church? Certainly not that they stop focusing on religion!

All I'm saying is that the cleanup of the Catholic Church is going to look very different than that of Penn State.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:14 PM

Serious discussion on the Catholic fiasco should go in Contro.


If you're letting your associates get away with molesting young people, that's not a problem with the organization (at least not by default). It's a personal failure on the part of a corrupt staff, and they should be punished to the full extent of the law. You can't outright erase corruption from an organization, because it always has to do with power. Eliminate football's excessive influence over school policy, and the power would just funnel into academics and have potential fallout there instead. Personal responsibility is always required to ward off corruption. You can have as many oversights in place as you want, but if everyone's turning a blind eye to cover their own wallets and assholes, then they aren't going to do much.

The only way to combat this is to string up the people responsible and make the punishment so severe that no one in charge would ever dream of letting it slide again.

Nothing should take priority over the safety of our youth, and people in powerful places have always gotten away with victimizing the weak. Any effort to stop that should be commended. At the end of the day, football is just a game - and any players worthy of joining the NFL will draw attention regardless of what shape the program is in. The scars of physical trauma do not go away.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:16 PM

I really don't care for college football for a reason. Football is a business, and it comes with big stakes. Not just money, but public prestige, especially here in the South. The big stakes belong in the big leagues, where people are professionals doing what they are paid REALLY well to do.

College football isn't about that at all. It's about getting your name in public to attract students and collecting concession/ ticket money from alumni. Benefit students? Not a thought. It's all about the institution gaining money by giving alumni an excuse to invest more of themselves in their alma mater and hang out with old friends. Put bluntly, college football is the greatest argument against free market capitalism; it does more bad than good, but everyone involved is doing exactly what they want. How do you FIX something like that?!

And of course the NCAA is just cracking down on this to keep the system going. If you don't crack down on the guy, public opinion of college football will drop and attendance to games will drop. I almost wish they'd let the creep off the hook, because I know they're doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

Yeah, I think LenaBot basically summed it up. Also, was this discussion originally in Commons and I just didn't notice it?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

No, it might've been buried under some of the other Contro topics. I didn't bother putting it in Commons due to the news surrounding Penn State as of late.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:51 PM

plus, they took down his statue put up in 2001 the other day.


Is that what the construction was for? I thought they were just going to have it turn the other way.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:04 PM

plus, they took down his statue put up in 2001 the other day.


Is that what the construction was for? I thought they were just going to have it turn the other way.


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