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[FDL]

I was thinking about this today. The Oracle games, particularly OoA, have [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of ties to WW. One of these being that the pearls have the symbols of the tunes from OoA on them. Also, the way you get the Noble Sword(which is the Master Sword) in OoA reminds me of what happened to the Master Sword in the end of TWW. Whether this was intentional or not, it seems to me that TWW is meant to be a prequel to the Oracle games. Thoughts? Opinions?

[Hana-Nezumi]

The Oracle Games were the last Zelda games before Wind Waker, so I guess It would have a lot in common design wise, I don't know if it was meant to be a seqeuel, its more like the oracles contained some of the latest conceptions of the design team.

[FDL]

Yeah, but the Master Sword is broken in OoA and you have to fix it. Also, it is owned by a Zora. Makes me think it's possible that the Zora found the Master sword stuck in Ganon's head and broke it when he was trying to pull it out.

[FDL]

Also LA, which appears to be a sequel to the Oracle games, mentions the "Great Hyrulian Sea" in its manual. Could the Great Hyrulian Sea be the Great Sea? I believe it is.

[MikePetersSucks]

Uh...the Master Sword is an easter egg, so I doubt it has any plot wise significance. And The Master Sword can't be physically broken, from what I can tell, even if it can lose it's power. Zelda may have been turned to stone and lived, but hey, Zelda didn't have a sword stuck in her brain a good half minute before she got petrified. >.>; so that comparison is kinda moot. Plus stone corrodes under water, so that stone body, if it was still alive, would eventually be destroyed. The Triforce was together at the end of TWW, but it also split, if you watch that cutscene closely. This could be an effect that happens whenever you wish on the Triforce, so that you still control it, but you don't have to physically lug it around and BLIND people. but like you pointed out, it's kinda pointless. It seems more logical that LTTP is the sequel to TWW if anything, seperated by centuries, same going for Oracles and LTTP. TWW Link doesn't own a horse, unless the King of Red Lions could shapeshift, which would be hella cool, but it can't. and there's significant evidence of all three Links of those games being seperate, if not by appearance alone.

[davogones]

The Master Sword isn't an easter egg just because you say so. There's nothing easter egg about it. An easter egg is something that wouldn't really be in the Zelda universe, if the Zelda universe were real. There's no evidence that the Master Sword doesn't belong there in the Oracle games.

There is also no evidence that the Master Sword can't be broken. The Four Sword is very similar to the Master Sword, and it was broken in The Minish Cap. Both swords have magical evil-repelling properties, but they still degrade over time. The Master Sword was made by humans. Even the Picori couldn't make an unbreakable sword.

[FDL]

You have some very good points Fierce Deity Link, but were really not sure if Ganondorf was killed in the Wind Waker. He was turned to stone, but so was Zelda in the Minish Cap, and she did not die, so we don't know if Ganondorf did or not either, though I am not saying that it is impossible to believe so. Still other questions arise, such as how did the Triforce end up in the Castle of Hyrule, but that is a minor note because the Triforce was all together at the end of the Wind Waker, but it just raises the question as to how did it get there.

As for Link's Awakening and the Oracles connecting it could be possible, because Link does sail off in a boat at the end of the Oracle games. The biggest question though I think has to deal with the Master Sword. When getting the weapon it can be taken in two different ways, and no one knows for sure if the Oracle of Seasons comes first or the Oracle of Ages came first. In one scenario we have the blade being replinished, but in the other it is more like it is summoned, by the Oracle of Secrets, so which one do we go by?

Maybe in the story of the Oracle games Link didn't get the Noble(Master) Sword until OoA. I think OoS came first however, because Impa recognizes Link and Ralph called Link and Impa "The messengers of Princess Zelda".

[lord-of-shadow]

Fierce Deity Link: You are getting the Master Sword (level 3 sword) confused with the noble Sword (level 2 sword). The Noble sword is gotten at the end of the trading sequence in each Oracle. The Master Sword can only be gotten through password linking.

I believe the Master Sword in the Oracles is simply an easter egg.

[coinilius]

Lord-of-Shadow - I'm pretty sure that, depending on the order you get things, you can get the Master Sword by having the broken sword repaired by either Patch or King Zora (I think he's the one). Someone put up a complete list of the ways you can get the Master Sword in the Oracles once before...

[Zythe]

King Zora upgrades your sword from Noble (like when you get it in castle of TWW) to Master. Also, royal Zora ... sage bloodline? I do agree with Fierce Deity Link and Davo, but it seems we always come up with similar theories.

Also, about the Triforce's split up. The wish was for hope. Who knows what that entailed. Very clever, writers. It could mean anything. It could have set the Legend of the Great Cataclysm, who knows? It could mean that the TF was sent to the castle? Or just vanished from sight. Who knows. Shut up Zythe. OK. Shut up everyone. OK.

[MikePetersSucks]

[QUOTE]The Master Sword can only be gotten through password linking[QUOTE]

Exactly my point. Would we consider password rewards as part of the Zelda mythos? god, I hate Oracles. and Zythe, you bring up a good point. What if the King's wish implied the destruction of the Triforce, making room for the FS games, implying a split timeline? AHHH!

[FDL]

King Zora upgrades your sword from Noble (like when you get it in castle of TWW) to Master. Also, royal Zora ... sage bloodline? I do agree with Fierce Deity Link and Davo, but it seems we always come up with similar theories.

Exactly. The Noble Sword IS the Master Sword, this is found out in OoA.

[Zythe]

Yeah. Like how the Four Sword is the White Sword when upgraded. About Kingy N's wish, it could mean anything, very open ended. It may have even set a destiny, seeing as in my mind, it guaranteed vistory over Ganondorf.

[lord-of-shadow]

[quote=MikePetersSucks][quote]The Master Sword can only be gotten through password linking[quote]

Exactly my point. Would we consider password rewards as part of the Zelda mythos? god, I hate Oracles. and Zythe, you bring up a good point. What if the King's wish implied the destruction of the Triforce, making room for the FS games, implying a split timeline? AHHH![/quote]

I don't mean we should discount the details of a normal linked game - Twinrova, Ganon, etc. BUt to get the Master Sword, you have to make a linked game, get a password, go back to the other game, and put in the password there. And then, if you want it back in the other game, you have to get another password.


[quote]Exactly. The Noble Sword IS the Master Sword, this is found out in OoA.[/quote]

Then how come, depending on how you get it, the Master Sword is a replacement for the Noble sword, rather than an update?

See, even among the Oracle games, there are far to many inconsistencies for that Master Sword to be taken seriously.

[coinilius]

But Lord-of-Shadows, doing all that doesn't really break continuity - Link must travel between the two worlds to unravel the mysteries of the various secrets he is given by the people he meets. None of the items are terribly out of place, beyond the screwy Master Sword and it's multiple origins.

[lord-of-shadow]

But the screwy Master Sword and it's multiple origins is the subject here, and if it's screwy...

[Tekky]

OK, option 1... OoS first. You play through it, get the Noble Sword in the Lost Woods. Complete the game, get a password for Labrynna. A wee woman south of Lyna city or whatever it is called gives you a password. Take it back to Holodrum, in an underground room beneath the Clock Shop in Horon Village there is an old man. Give him the password and after you complete his task he upgrades your Noble Sword to the Master Sword. Here is one catch. If you DIDNT have the Noble Sword at this point, then you'll have your wooden sword upgraded to a Noble Sword. Then you find the Master Sword in the Lost Woods. Old man gives you a password. Take it to Farore in the Labrynna Maku Tree, and she upgrades your sword. Again if you dont have the Noble Sword at this stage, you are upgraded to the Noble Sword and get the Master Sword by fixing the broken Sword

Phew!
Option 2... OoA first. Get a password for Holodrum. There is a Zora in the Heros cave who gives you a password. Give it to King Zora in Labrynna and he "Sharpens your sword" and you get either the Master Sword or Noble Sword as I described above. Does this mean King Zora is a descendent of Laruto? He gives you a password, take it to Farore in Holodrum and again get the Master Sword there... Or find it in the lost woods if you didnt get the Noble Sword before!

Thats loads of different ways to get the Master Sword, which isnt even neccessary to complete the game. Now tell me that it isnt an Easter Egg

[Tri-Enforcer]

Yeah, sounds like an Easter Egg to me or a special treat or incentive to keep you busy if you're interested--especially considering the MS isn't needed--it doesn't even play a big role in the Oracles story, since when does the MS not lay a big role?! It's quite evident that the MS was nothing more than a special incentive in the Oracles. I suppose we shouldn't take the Master Sword's appearance in Oracles too seriously when it comes down to figuring out the storyline, but that's just me.

[Custommagnum]

It does allow you to hurt Ganon without using the Spin attack. You can't do that with the Noble Sword.

[Tekky]

Thats irrelevant. The point is, every other game that featured the Master Sword (LttP, OoT and WW), it was ESSENTIAL to complete the game. It isnt in Oracles. You can kill Ganon with the Noble Sword (using spin attacks) as you stated.