This occured to me while playing TMC (I've never played FS or anything with Vaati in it before). Since Koholint was in some ways a part of Links dream as well, could the nightmares reflect the horrors that Link has encountered in his travels. It would only be natural for a child who has been through as much as he has to have disturbing dreams. Thoughts anyone?
Vaati = Dethl?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:00 PM
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:10 PM
Well, bosses that have been in the Zelda have frequently popped in LA... It would make sense...
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:11 PM
This occured to me while playing TMC (I've never played FS or anything with Vaati in it before). Since Koholint was in some ways a part of Links dream as well, could the nightmares reflect the horrors that Link has encountered in his travels. It would only be natural for a child who has been through as much as he has to have disturbing dreams. Thoughts anyone?
Well, most of the enemies Link faces in Koholint are similar to ones he's faced before in Oracles (if you believe that Oracles comes before LA). DeathI could be merely a dream facsimile of Vaati or that One-Eyed Monster could be some kind of Ancient Demon that Vaati tried to become.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:19 PM
My main reason for thinking this comes from the following spoiler:
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The second transformation of Vaati looks very similar to Dethl's final transformation. Vaati also appears very shadowy until he takes form.
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Not much I know but I'm gonna replay LA to see if there is anything else.
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The second transformation of Vaati looks very similar to Dethl's final transformation. Vaati also appears very shadowy until he takes form.
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Not much I know but I'm gonna replay LA to see if there is anything else.
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:40 AM
I like the idea that the enemies are nightmares of Links, and though this can't be proved, I'd like to think that it's not only that particular Link's memories that surface on the island, but the combined memories of all of the Link's that have come before him as well. That would explain connections more easily.
Also, Dethl takes on the form of a Vaati like creature as well as that of Ganon, so it's plausible to say that he is simply an amalgamation of evil from all the Link's adventures.
Also, Dethl takes on the form of a Vaati like creature as well as that of Ganon, so it's plausible to say that he is simply an amalgamation of evil from all the Link's adventures.
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Posted 05 December 2004 - 11:16 AM
In the FSGBA ending, Vaati enters the statue of what looks like DethI. I got the impression from LA, that although he was in a dream dimension, the Wind Fish and Nightmares were real. I saw the Nightmares as the real evils of the world of Zelda, and godly. Vaati also wanted to be a god. Who knows, if by the time of LA, Vaati hasn't lost his humanity and becomes DethI. They shapeshift the same too. Just watch LA.
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Posted 05 December 2004 - 09:15 PM
There isn't really much evidence, just similarities and a general feeling. I just thought it interesting and worth sharing to see how many other people this might have occured to.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 06:43 AM
Could it be that Vaati worships DethI or came to become DethI ... what is DethI? Who beleives what?
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 08:27 PM
I'm thinking Dethl and the nightmares are the creation of Links dreams, and Dethl is based on his encounters with Vaati.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 09:10 PM
DethI, people... DEATH EYE!
EDIT: Okay, I just read another post in Zelda General about the way it's spelt. Don't try to prove me wrong, please...
EDIT: Okay, I just read another post in Zelda General about the way it's spelt. Don't try to prove me wrong, please...
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:02 PM
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:14 PM
I personally like to think of Dethl and Vaati as different beings because it adds more villains to the Zelda series. For some reason the Zelda series also has some sort of deal with eyes, such as the Shiekah eye, Kholdstare, Vitreous, Slime Eyes, and of course Dethl and Vaati.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:12 PM
Maybe it's a symbol of magic. Just a wild guess.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:34 AM
What's DethI's real name? I'll just use that. Only NoA would make a name like deth-I.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 12:41 PM
What's DethI's real name? I'll just use that. Only NoA would make a name like deth-I.
When the name first surfaced it was Dethl, I just go with that, but it doesn't really matter because I still know who the person is talking about and that is all that matters.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 10:20 PM
I think he's asking for the Japanese name.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 11:54 PM
I think he's asking for the Japanese name.
Oh well in that case I have no idea. I know the name of the game is Legend of Zelda: Dreaming Island instead of Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, but I have no idea what the Japanese name is for Dethl, but I would still suggest that it is Dethl. Though I am sure someone on this board will know the answer.
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 05:32 PM
You guys are saying that all the shadow nightmares in general are "DeathL"
I was under the impression that there's a entinty that can change shapes. Call him The Shadow Nightmare.
He takes the form of:
Gel: Link has fought plently of blob-like enemies in various games
Aganhim: duh...
Ganon: duh.....
Lanmola: this one has me drawing a blank.
Moldorm: First LA boss and 4th aLttP boss
DeathI, DeathL whatever: I thought simply the final form was DeathI and when LA came out we just didn't have any enemies to compare it to. I think when Nintendo made more games they tried to explain what "DeathI" is.
I was under the impression that there's a entinty that can change shapes. Call him The Shadow Nightmare.
He takes the form of:
Gel: Link has fought plently of blob-like enemies in various games
Aganhim: duh...
Ganon: duh.....
Lanmola: this one has me drawing a blank.
Moldorm: First LA boss and 4th aLttP boss
DeathI, DeathL whatever: I thought simply the final form was DeathI and when LA came out we just didn't have any enemies to compare it to. I think when Nintendo made more games they tried to explain what "DeathI" is.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 06:58 AM
Lanmola was a regular enemy in the original Legend of Zelda.
Lanmola was a boss in A link to the Past when Link had to get the Pendant of Power.
Lanmola was a sub-boss when Link fought him in the desert in Link's Awakening.
These is all of the appearances I can think of that Lanmola shows up in. Gohma in the Wind Waker actually looks more like a Lanmola than it does a Gohma, but that is still rather pointless.
Lanmola was a boss in A link to the Past when Link had to get the Pendant of Power.
Lanmola was a sub-boss when Link fought him in the desert in Link's Awakening.
These is all of the appearances I can think of that Lanmola shows up in. Gohma in the Wind Waker actually looks more like a Lanmola than it does a Gohma, but that is still rather pointless.
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:09 PM
Um...the eye can be Vaati's personal insignia, and the statue could be Vaati's attempt to glorify himself. I mean, he's trying to become a god after all. Dethl is probably just another form that the Nightmare takes on. It seems to have the ability to not just read the memories of the current Link, but all the incarnations he's had in his life. Basically, it seems that when the Wind Fish encounters a mortal, it falls asleep, and the mortal and the Wind Fish psionically link and create a pocket dimension created from both minds, and the mortal can only leave when the Wind Fish awakens, but doing so destroys the world that the Wind Fish controls. We already know this, but what if the Wind Fish had a literal nightmare? Would it become real? And since they're linked, (no pun intended) maybe Link contributes to the new nightmare as well? his own fears, shames, and doubts? I dunno where I'm going with this, but I doubt the Nightmare is an outside demon. Kinda ruins the image that LA has. The magic of realizing that the entire adventure wasn't real, even if the new friendships were...
I mean, he's trying to become a god after all. Dethl is probably just another form that the Nightmare takes on. It seems to have the ability to not just read the memories of the current Link, but all the incarnations he's had in his life. Basically, it seems that when the Wind Fish encounters a mortal, it falls asleep, and the mortal and the Wind Fish psionically link and create a pocket dimension created from both minds, and the mortal can only leave when the Wind Fish awakens, but doing so destroys the world that the Wind Fish controls. We already know this, but what if the Wind Fish had a literal nightmare? Would it become real? And since they're linked, (no pun intended) maybe Link contributes to the new nightmare as well? his own fears, shames, and doubts? I dunno where I'm going with this, but I doubt the Nightmare is an outside demon. Kinda ruins the image that LA has. The magic of realizing that the entire adventure wasn't real, even if the new friendships were...
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 05:57 PM
Well, maybe Link's enemies where trying to take revenge on Link in his mind by taking advantage of Link remembering them (or maybe not <_< ).
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Posted 19 December 2004 - 03:07 AM
Im still going with the fact the nightmares are simply the shapes of enemies Link has fought over the years (may it be that certian Link or the Links before him, seeing as they are all incarations of one another).
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Posted 19 December 2004 - 01:48 PM
and still nobody knows DeathI's real name.. sigh
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 11:22 AM
I thought it was Dethl. I still think Dethl is what Vaati worships and emulates, watch the end of FSGBA, the statue's of a big eye monster who Vaati possesses.
