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[-Kado-]

I was thinking earlier today about how Ganondorf is resurrected whenever he dies, such as in Four Swords Adventures, Zelda 1, and in Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons.

Since Twinrova has the ability to resurrect Ganondorf in OoA/OoS, It's likely that she is the one who was able to bring him back in FSA and Zelda 1.

Now some people would deny this, claiming that Twinrova was killed in Ocarina of Time and that the Koume and Kotake in OoA/OoS are separate entities, however I do not believe this is true.

I searched the forums for every instance of Twinrova/Koume/Kotake and no one seems to have mentioned the fact that Twinrova was only defeated by Adult Link, meaning that she is definitely alive and kicking in the child timeline! Having already lived hundreds of years, these two witches could essentially be immortal, living until they are killed.

This would explain how Ganon was able to come back to life even after he was killed. Twinrova was always there to resurrect him!

[Twinrova]

Aww, when I read the title I thought this thread was going to be about me. :A

[Elvenlord]

lol, there a thread at another forum named "The Elven Showcase". Totally thought it was about me too

Sorry for hijacking your thread.

[SOAP]

Aww, when I read the title I thought this thread was going to be about me. :A

That's the exact thought I had too.

Anyways, back on topic. Yeah Twinrova in OoS/A could be the same ones from OoT if placed in the child timeline. But I don't think they had anything to do with him coming back in FSA. It was Vaati's blood and a possible reincranation of Ganondorf that made that happen.

[Fin]

Aww, when I read the title I thought this thread was going to be about me. :A

Me too. XD

It was Vaati's blood and a possible reincranation of Ganondorf that made that happen.

Buh?

[Kisseena]

Lol okay. So I'm not the only one that thought it was about Rova.

Okay, I'll go now.

[Fin]

More threads at storyline need to mention Rova in the title. We're getting great activity here for once!

[-Kado-]

Ah and this is assuming that you're going by this timeline, which I believe to be the proper order.

Adult Timeline
Skyward Sword - Minish Cap - Ocarina of Time - Wind Waker - Phantom Hourglass - Spirit Tracks

Child Timeline
Skyward Sword - Minish Cap - Ocarina of Time - Majora's Mask - Twilight Princess - Four Swords - Four Swords Adventures - A Link to the Past - Link's Awakening - Zelda 1 - Zelda 2 - Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons

Just for clarity's sake, I believe Link's Awakening comes after A Link to the Past and not OoA/OoS because the entire island seems to be partially created from Link's memories of places in A Link to the Past such as turtle rock, the rooster monument in the village, also the final boss' transformation into aghanim and Ganon.

In addition, Zelda meets Link for the first time in OoA/OoS based on the dialogue.

As for Minish Cap, it can either be placed after Twilight Princess or before Ocarina of Time based on the information in the game and the rest of the timeline. I choose before Ocarina of Time because of the revelation of Skyloft in Skyward Sword. In Minish Cap, the inhabitants of the clouds know of Hyrule down below, and apparently in Skyward Sword, the inhabitants of Skyloft have no clue any land exists below the clouds.

In addition, it seems that the only inhabitants of the sky in Twilight princess are the Oocca, residing within the ruins of a temple long since abandoned by its previous inhabitants.

I have other reasons for Minish Cap's placement but they've been discussed before, so I'll leave it at that unless someone asks.

[Twinrova]

More threads at storyline need to mention Rova in the title.

Agreed. I likes attention.





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*leaves* >___> Sorry.

[Sir Deimos]

You should be. Now get in your corner! *points*

[-Kado-]

Aww, when I read the title I thought this thread was going to be about me. :A

Anyways, back on topic. Yeah Twinrova in OoS/A could be the same ones from OoT if placed in the child timeline. But I don't think they had anything to do with him coming back in FSA. It was Vaati's blood and a possible reincranation of Ganondorf that made that happen.

Vaati's blood? What the heck are you talking about? o_O

Also, if you'll notice, whenever a new Link comes along he doesn't have any memory of his previous incarnations. Ganondorf on the other hand is reborn and somehow retains all of his memories from when he was alive last time. This is evidenced by his creation of Shadow Links in Four Swords Adventures. If he is a reincarnation, he shouldn't have any idea who Link is!

So, I believe that Ganondorf was either resurrected by Twinrova OR Twinrova waited for another Gerudo male to be born and put Ganondorf's soul into it OR waited for another Gerudo male to be born and simply brought him up and taught him throughout his life of his previous life.

The fact that Ganon wields the Trident he got in FSA in all the games afterwards (A Link to the Past, The updated BS Zelda, and OoA/OoS) leads me to believe that the Trident is either retrieved each time by Twinrova, the Trident itself is bound to Ganon's soul and Twinrova retrieves his soul from the dead each time his body is destroyed, or after obtaining the Trident Ganon's soul is bound to it and Twinrova is able to resurrect him from the Trident itself using the Flames of Despair, Destruction, and Sorrow rather than waiting for a new Gerudo male to be reborn like in FSA.

It's possible that the events that take place before Zelda 1 could be the events that lit the flames: The death of the King (the body possibly stolen and sacrificed?), Zelda falling into a deep sleep due to the Magician's spell (possibly a minion of Twinrova), and the invasion of Hyrule by Ganon's minions (led by Twinrova), possibly fulfilling the Destruction aspect and allowing Ganon's resurrection, allowing him to steal the Triforce of Power.

Twinrova's decision to light the flames in Holodrum and Labrynna in OoA/OoS would be to avoid drawing attention in Hyrule. With the full power of the Triforce within the possession of the Royal Family, they could easily be defeated.

Just throwing around ideas.

Edited by -Kado-, 13 June 2011 - 01:03 PM.

[Fin]

The Link in Four Swords Adventures had already saved Hyrule from Vaati once before. It's possible that Ganondorf was simply manipulating a known hero rather than somebody he had any personal reason to worry about.

Edited by Finbarr, 13 June 2011 - 04:34 PM.

[SOAP]

Vaati's blood? What the heck are you talking about? o_O

My mistake. I think it was rather the light force that Vaati had manage to steal before that was used to bring Ganon to power. This happens after you defeat Vaati and the implication aws that Vaati was just a pawn in Ganondorf's plan.

[-Kado-]

Vaati's blood? What the heck are you talking about? o_O

My mistake. I think it was rather the light force that Vaati had manage to steal before that was used to bring Ganon to power. This happens after you defeat Vaati and the implication aws that Vaati was just a pawn in Ganondorf's plan.

True, Vaati was a pawn in Ganondorf's plan, but not as a power source. Ganon simply used Shadow Link to release him as a diversion. =/

[SOAP]

Vaati's blood? What the heck are you talking about? o_O

My mistake. I think it was rather the light force that Vaati had manage to steal before that was used to bring Ganon to power. This happens after you defeat Vaati and the implication aws that Vaati was just a pawn in Ganondorf's plan.

True, Vaati was a pawn in Ganondorf's plan, but not as a power source. Ganon simply used Shadow Link to release him as a diversion. =/

I could have sworn I remember something about Vaati's remains being used for something though. I'll check the text dumps. I coud be confusing FSA with Twinrova using themselves to ressurect Ganon in OoS/A.

Edit:

I stand corrected. I checked the text dump and here is the line I had mistaken as Ganondorf drawing power from Vaati. Instead he was drawing power from the Hyruleans. I guess that's a reference to those dark barriers Vaati was using to drain energy from the land. It could have something to do with the Trident of Power. In any case I was wrong. Sorry about that.

This was all there was to
the wind sorcerer Vaati, eh?

Before the Four Sword, you
were at your wit's ends.

Useless cur!

I did not steal enough power
from the Hyruleans.

My blood boils, heroes! It
seethes at the sight of you!

I thirst for destruction!
For the pure release of
rage, the power of wrath!

Four Sword or no, my
trident will reduce you
to nothingness!

I'm waiting, you worms!

Edited by SOAP, 13 June 2011 - 10:56 PM.

[Fin]

The original line was something like, 'The power stolen from the Hyruleans wasn't enough.' In context, it sounds more like he's talking about Vaati than himself.

[MikePetersSucks]

Basically Vaati was being used to steal energy which he then passed to Ganon.

[Showsni]

Hm, I don't think FSA Ganondorf is a resurrection, is he? It's pretty clear that this is a new Ganondorf when you play through (though quite possibly a reincarnation of a previous one). As for LoZ Ganon, he's a complete mystery. Assuming he is ALttP's Ganon, the games don't really give us any indication how he managed to come back to life after Link killed him; other than the methods the games mention (from AoL, sprinkling ALttP Link's blood on his ashes; from OoA/S, doing the whole three flame ritual). I guess it's possible Twinrova could be behind his resurrection, but there's o real indication of it and the AoL method is probably the more likely one (being substantially easier to carry out, and we know from LA Hyrule isn;t completely at peace when Link leaves).

[Doroc]

I put oracles in child timeline by this. I think that twinrova is killed in adult timeline by the link of ocarina of time. And in the child timeline by the link of oracles.