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[ZeldaZealot]

ZeldaZealot is going to list the things that he notice that relates to the storyline or theorizing, or might relate to it. Speculate on it if you want to.



So after looking at all the new vids about Skyward Sword, this is what he found:

Spoiler

Zelda(The blood lady.) is Link's friend and the person that falls to the surface world below Skyloft.

Zelda will eventually become willing to face "the tremendous fate that’s been placed on her shoulders."

Zelda has a harp which ZZ is going to assume that is the one that we saw the icon of very briefly in an old vid.

The harp is in the same design as the one from OoT(Still no confirmation that they are the same harp.)




Ghirahim(aka Debbie) is a villain, maybe the main villain maybe not Tho he likes to refer to himself as Lord Ghirahim(the game subtitles calls him Demon Lord) and as "the demon who presides over the land you look down upon... The surface".

We seemed to meet him within the first dungeon(which is called Sky Temple.) and ZZ knows that some people worry that this might be an sign that he is another Zant.

Ghirahim refers to Zelda as "her holiness" and mentions that he is surprised that Link survived the tornado(or at least is unharmed.).

He also mentions that Zelda almost fell into "our hands" and or uses "we" several times, which suggests that this a group effort of some sort or group desire.

He also says that "that loathsome servant of the goddess snatched her away." Which means that the whale/worm thing in the trailer is actually a good being and that Ghirahim must search for Zelda like Link will be. ZZ wonders if "goddess" might be a mistranslation and is actually "goddesses".

Ghirahim seems to have only one pointed ear, tho it might just be a bad angle.(His normal one is covered by is long hair.)

Ghirahim was made to contrast with Ganon.

Ganon will not appear in the game.


The Skyward Sword is called Phi, she has voice acting much like Midna has voice acting. She has an robotic personality, at least within the first Temple.

The Skyward Sword does not transform into her body, rather she pops out of what ZZ assumes to be the gem on the hilt.

The Skyward Sword becoming the Master Sword has been confirmed. But in a recent interview from Aonuma he says "This time around, it’s(the way the Master Sword plays in the storyline) more centered on the creation of the Master Sword–the way it was born, so to speak. Link kind of forges it along the way." This just makes ZZ slightly wonder if the origin stories from ALttP and TP(which can be fused with no difficulties.) might be reconed.


Link has a Bird(So far they have no names, and is only referred to as birds. -.-) which is red and might be where the red bird on the Hylian Shield comes from.

The people who competed with Link in the ceremony(and Link himself) are a part of a knight academy, which has no offical name right now.

The Royal Family crest has so far only been seen once, on the Hylian Shield, but we do see the bird portion appearing frequently in Skyloft, and the Triforce in the Siren World.


Siren World seems to be another dimension and mirrors the real world much like the Dark World mirrored the real world, but more towards what the real world is like than what the Dark World did.

Link uses the Skyward Sword to go to the Siren World and is therefor swordless while traveling the Siren World.

The Siren World is inhabited by guardians that will "kill" Link with one hit. Whether it is a game over or Link is just booted from the Siren World is unknown.(At least for ZZ, he is leaning towards the later.)

While in the Siren World Link must gather tears(Or something like that.) while avoiding the guardians, if Link and do so successfully then Link gets an item, or an upgrade to an item.

There is a flower icon at the top of the icon that shows you how many tears Link has collected. Each petal of the flower seems to fade after a certain amount of time. They are restored when Link walks within a pillar of green light. Suggesting that your time within the Siren World may be limited as long as you don't go into any green pillars of light?


The mole people are called Mogmas.


The old dude in red is the one that gives Link his green tunic and cap that we all love, and maybe the sword too, yet strangely not a shield.

Many people on ZU and ZI is speculating that this old guy is Rauru.(sp?)


One Goron is confirmed to be in the game. He also has the Triforce symbol on him(tho it is slightly faded.). This might mean something or it not.

That is all for now that ZZ can remember from all the vids for now, he will list some more if he comes across them.

Edit: Sources :

Spoiler

Ghirahim :

20 minute video that focus on the Sky Temple, We see Phi in this vid : http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6318368/

Vid that shows that the blond lady is Zelda :

Zelda with the harp :

Siren World :

Goron+Triforce symbol : http://www.zeldainfo...c-con-2011.html

Ganon not being in the game and other minor things : http://nintendocharg...-skyward-sword/

Edited by ZeldaZealot, 23 July 2011 - 01:25 AM.

[SOAP]

ZeldaZealot is going to list the things that he notice that relates to the storyline or theorizing, or might relate to it. Speculate on it if you want to.



So after looking at all the new vids about Skyward Sword, this is what he found:

Spoiler

Zelda(The blood lady.) is Link's friend and the person that falls to the surface world below Skyloft.

Zelda has a harp which ZZ is going to assume that is the one that we saw the icon of very briefly in an old vid.


Ghirahim(aka Debbie) is a villain, maybe the main villain maybe not Tho he likes to refer to himself as Lord Ghirahim(the game subtitles calls him Demon Lord) and as "the demon who presides over the land you look down upon... The surface".

We seemed to meet him within the first dungeon(which is called Sky Temple.) and ZZ knows that some people worry that this might be an sign that he is another Zant.

Ghirahim refers to Zelda as "her holiness" and mentions that he is surprised that Link survived the tornado(or at least is unharmed.).

He also mentions that Zelda almost fell into "our hands" and or uses "we" several times, which suggests that this a group effort of some sort or group desire.

He also says that "that loathsome servant of the goddess snatched her away." Which means that the whale/worm thing in the trailer is actually a good being and that Ghirahim must search for Zelda like Link will be. ZZ wonders if "goddess" might be a mistranslation and is actually "goddesses".

Ghirahim seems to have only one pointed ear, tho it might just be a bad angle.(His normal one is covered by is long hair.)


The Skyward Sword is called Phi, she has voice acting much like Midna has voice acting. She has an robotic personality, at least within the first Temple.

The Skyward Sword does not transform into her body, rather she pops out of what ZZ assumes to be the gem on the hilt.


Link has a Bird(So far they have no names, and is only referred to as birds. -.-) which is red and might be where the red bird on the Hylian Shield comes from.

The Royal Family crest has so far only been seen once, on the Hylian Shield, but we do see the bird portion appearing frequently in Skyloft, and the Triforce in the Siren World.


Siren World seems to be another dimension and mirrors the real world much like the Dark World mirrored the real world, but more towards what the real world is like than what the Dark World did.

Link uses the Skyward Sword to go to the Siren World and is therefor swordless while traveling the Siren World.

The Siren World is inhabited by guardians that will "kill" Link with one hit. Whether it is a game over or Link is just booted from the Siren World is unknown.(At least for ZZ, he is leaning towards the later.)

While in the Siren World Link must gather tears(Or something like that.) while avoiding the guardians, if Link and do so successfully then Link gets an item, or an upgrade to an item.


The mole people are called Mogmas.


The old dude in red is the one that gives Link his green tunic and cap that we all love, and maybe the sword too, yet strangely not a shield.

Many people on ZU and ZI is speculating that this old guy is Rauru.(sp?)

That is all for now that ZZ can remember from all the vids for now, he will list some more if he comes across them.

What's happening to ZU anyways? It's been down all day. At least for me. :/

Oh and I totally agree with everything you said.

[Mad Scrub]

Spoiler

The man that you say looks like, Rauru? I think it's Kaepora Gaebora in human form. Look at his eyebrows and look at the picture on his robe.

[ZeldaZealot]

What's happening to ZU anyways? It's been down all day. At least for me. :/

ZZ thinks that their server probably crashed since E3 is now over and everyone is now coming together to find out what is going on. That or that thing ate it while obeying its orders, if it had orders. =P

Spoiler

The man that you say looks like, Rauru? I think it's Kaepora Gaebora in human form. Look at his eyebrows and look at the picture on his robe.

Some people believe that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are the same being.

But ZZ doesn't believe that. He also tries to take things at face value, so he only sees someone that could be him, if Nintendo decided to bring him back for SS.

Nevermind, ZZ found one. Hmm it is harder than ZZ originally thought to talk about something yet not spoil it for others while at the same time refusing to use spoiler tags.

Edited by ZeldaZealot, 10 June 2011 - 12:55 AM.

[SOAP]

Spoiler

The man that you say looks like, Rauru? I think it's Kaepora Gaebora in human form. Look at his eyebrows and look at the picture on his robe.

Oh my Gods, Mad Scrub! You haven't been here in ages....

[ganonlord6000]

What's happening to ZU anyways? It's been down all day. At least for me. :/

ZZ thinks that their server probably crashed since E3 is now over and everyone is now coming together to find out what is going on. That or that thing ate it while obeying its orders, if it had orders. =P

Spoiler

The man that you say looks like, Rauru? I think it's Kaepora Gaebora in human form. Look at his eyebrows and look at the picture on his robe.

Some people believe that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are the same being.

But ZZ doesn't believe that. He also tries to take things at face value, so he only sees someone that could be him, if Nintendo decided to bring him back for SS.

Nevermind, ZZ found one. Hmm it is harder than ZZ originally thought to talk about something yet not spoil it for others while at the same time refusing to use spoiler tags.

It actually might be Rauru. Since this game focuses on the creation of the Master Sword, and more than likely the Temple of Time, Rauru and the other ancient sages might play an important role.

Is it just me, or does the Skyward Sword's current hilt bare a slight resemblance to the Four Sword?

[SOAP]

What's happening to ZU anyways? It's been down all day. At least for me. :/

ZZ thinks that their server probably crashed since E3 is now over and everyone is now coming together to find out what is going on. That or that thing ate it while obeying its orders, if it had orders. =P

Spoiler

The man that you say looks like, Rauru? I think it's Kaepora Gaebora in human form. Look at his eyebrows and look at the picture on his robe.

Some people believe that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are the same being.

But ZZ doesn't believe that. He also tries to take things at face value, so he only sees someone that could be him, if Nintendo decided to bring him back for SS.

Nevermind, ZZ found one. Hmm it is harder than ZZ originally thought to talk about something yet not spoil it for others while at the same time refusing to use spoiler tags.

It actually might be Rauru. Since this game focuses on the creation of the Master Sword, and more than likely the Temple of Time, Rauru and the other ancient sages might play an important role.

Is it just me, or does the Skyward Sword's current hilt bare a slight resemblance to the Four Sword?

Yes it does and I'm about to post a theory about that too in a new thread.

[ZeldaZealot]

Well, with the new video we now know that Gorons are in the game, but one interesting thing is that he has an iconic symbol(tho it is slightly faded) on him that might raise some questions.

[MikePetersSucks]

It still kind of bugs me that you talk in third person (why is that?) but otherwise excellent post!

[SOAP]

It still kind of bugs me that you talk in third person (why is that?) but otherwise excellent post!

I think it's cute. It's a stylistic choice, much like Jester's Dream always posting in dark blue.

Edited by SOAP, 22 July 2011 - 03:26 PM.

[ZeldaZealot]

It all started when ZZ was a child. He got annoyed every time his teacher or one of his parents said not to speak or write like that. Well ZZ was a stubborn kid(and was probably a bit rebellious at the time), so he persisted until they stopped bugging him, now it is all just a habit.

[ZeldaZealot]

Sorry about the double post but we just had a new interview from Aonuma on about Skyward Sword. (Can be read Here.)

And while a lot of it should be in spoiliers the only thing that ZZ thinks he can safely post here is this :

Nintendo Power : Where does Skyward Sword fall in the timeline? Does it come between Minish Cap and Ocarina of Time?

Eiji Aonuma : Well, calling it the first Zelda might sort of box me in, but what I would like to say is that it does come before Ocarina of Time.

Pretty much side-stepping the question.

Edited by ZeldaZealot, 23 July 2011 - 01:25 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Or circumstantial confirmation that Minish Cap isn't supposed to come before Ocarina of Time.

[SOAP]

It can go either way but is interesting that it's very direct timeline question.

[ZeldaZealot]

Or circumstantial confirmation that Minish Cap isn't supposed to come before Ocarina of Time.

Maybe, or maybe if he answered this then the whole timeline would have been pretty much figured out. Or maybe it is just that they don't want to be boxed in.

On another note, if they don't want to say a game if the first game so they can make a prequel whenever they wanted to, then this might just mean that we will never get an origin story for Link's green tunic.

[Nerushi]

Why does Aonuma, again, bring up the first game dilemma when the interviewer didn't even ask about it? Its not even a dilemma. Why would it 'box him in'? Because future games might still occur before SS? That is absolute balderdash. SS is either first until another game is released or it is not. Aonuam saying a game is first does not mean he can NEVER EVER make a game before that. Thats why we call em prequels.

Because of that, I call bullshit on people saying that this is an confirmation that SS is definitely first. The only sane reason why Aonuma would saying that it would 'box him in' is because he is considering past games, not future ones.

With that said, it amazes me how the interviewer flat out mentioned The Minish Cap and Aonuma acts as if he didn't hear it. The interviewer actually makes a good question here that addresses the interest of the Zelda community, but Aonuma just dodged it to repeat old stuff. This could either mean that TMC isn't first, or that it isn't a part of the timeline at all or that Aonuma doesn't wanna tell us or whatever.

[Jarsh]

The only sane reason why Aonuma would saying that it would 'box him in' is because he is considering past games, not future ones.

Considering one of the first times he even said that, he clarified it was because he's saying it in case they wanted to create an even earlier game, so...

[SOAP]

The only sane reason why Aonuma would saying that it would 'box him in' is because he is considering past games, not future ones.

Considering one of the first times he even said that, he clarified it was because he's saying it in case they wanted to create an even earlier game, so...

It's still funny how he completely ignored TMC in that question. Either TMC was never meant to be first and the whole TMC->OoT progession in that question threw Aonuma off. Or it is first and confirming it would box him in. Maybe they're still debating TMC actual placement.

Either way, it's friggin hilarious. He totally dodged that question.

[Nerushi]

Considering one of the first times he even said that, he clarified it was because he's saying it in case they wanted to create an even earlier game, so...

So what? It still doesn't explain that Aonuma is using poor reasoning to justify the 'no first game ever'. As it stands now, using Aonuma own reasoning, I could easily claim that Skyward Sword is not the first game.

The fact that this issue could be over if Aonuma had decided to say anything ( just a little ) about TMC, instead of just not saying anything at all, just ugh... In fact, I would be way more content if Aonuma had said that TMC is elsewhere or not there at all and be done with it.

Edited by Nerushi, 24 July 2011 - 10:06 AM.

[ganonlord6000]

The only sane reason why Aonuma would saying that it would 'box him in' is because he is considering past games, not future ones.

Considering one of the first times he even said that, he clarified it was because he's saying it in case they wanted to create an even earlier game, so...

It's still funny how he completely ignored TMC in that question. Either TMC was never meant to be first and the whole TMC->OoT progession in that question threw Aonuma off. Or it is first and confirming it would box him in. Maybe they're still debating TMC actual placement.

Either way, it's friggin hilarious. He totally dodged that question.

Are we still debating this? I thought the fact that Hyrule, or at least the Hylian royal family doesn't exist yet at this point basically confirmed that TMC occurs at a much later time. I'm suspecting either after TP, or after ALTTP.

So what? It still doesn't explain that Aonuma is using poor reasoning to justify the 'no first game ever'. As it stands now, using Aonuma own reasoning, I could easily claim that Skyward Sword is not the first game.

The fact that this issue could be over if Aonuma had decided to say anything ( just a little ) about TMC, instead of just not saying anything at all, just ugh... In fact, I would be way more content if Aonuma had said that TMC is elsewhere or not there at all and be done with it.

He probably wanted to leave that bit of fun to us, unless he's trying to avoid spoiling SS.

[Jarsh]

As it stands now, using Aonuma own reasoning, I could easily claim that Skyward Sword is not the first game.

I don't see how.

The fact that this issue could be over if Aonuma had decided to say anything ( just a little ) about TMC, instead of just not saying anything at all, just ugh... In fact, I would be way more content if Aonuma had said that TMC is elsewhere or not there at all and be done with it.

It seems like hardly an issue. We already know they want us to use our imagination. He just simplified the amount of possible placements (not before OoT).

[Nerushi]

I don't see how.

Because that would box Aonuma in.

It seems like hardly an issue. We already know they want us to use our imagination. He just simplified the amount of possible placements (not before OoT).

Imagination? For what, the timeline? Also, you are free to think that Aonuma 'simplified' something in a roundabout way, but as it stands, he haven't even acknowledged TMC yet.

Imo, if Aonuma does acknowledge TMC in the timeline, and its not before OoT, I think he would have reacted to what the interviewer said, regarding him thinking it was before OoT. Unless that notion isn't completely wrong.

[Jarsh]

Because that would box Aonuma in.

Don't you think said "boxing" has more to do with how he said he can't call SS first in case of future game placements (ONM interview, you already know) than placements for games that already exist?

Imo, if Aonuma does acknowledge TMC in the timeline, and its not before OoT, I think he would have reacted to what the interviewer said, regarding him thinking it was before OoT. Unless that notion isn't completely wrong.

Well, it's a Skyward Sword interview, and that can also be interpreted to mean that TMC has nothing to do with the "before OoT" part of the timeline that SS is in as to why Aonuma didn't mention it.

[Nerushi]

Don't you think said "boxing" has more to do with how he said he can't call SS first in case of future game placements (ONM interview, you already know) than placements for games that already exist?

Of course, I am not denying that Aonuma said that. I just think thats a silly excuse for something so trivial.

Well, it's a Skyward Sword interview, and that can also be interpreted to mean that TMC has nothing to do with the "before OoT" part of the timeline that SS is in as to why Aonuma didn't mention it.

Fair enough. However, it is not that Aonuma didn't 'mention' it, but rather, that he didn't properly respond to the interviewers question. The difference from previous interviews and this one is that Aonuma willfully ignored TMC. Had he said something to the effect "TMC has nothing to do with it" or "its elsewhere" then yeah. But he didn't. Besides, we have reason to believe that Aonuma would be speaking in half-truths ( the timeline is a secret after all ) if it means not revealing too much, so I don't think my interpretation is any less than yours, nor more.

Also, this may be a bit OT, but I have reason to believe that, more-so than the timeline, Nintendo want to relate Skyward Sword as much as possible to Ocarina of Time. From what I've seen, there is this near obsessive determination from Nintendo's side to surpass OoT. Aonuma has clearly displayed such intent before. A reason to connect SS to OoT is so they can market SS as the "Prequel to Ocarina of Time!". This statement has much more significance than just the timeline. It means they can market SS at the same time as they market OoT. Quite convenient considering they just released OoT3DS. I am pretty sure the OoT3DS manual mentions SS as the 'prequel'.

Edited by Nerushi, 26 July 2011 - 09:58 AM.

[Jarsh]

Ah, I actually agree with you that it's a silly excuse. I personally think Aonuma could give us a little more on where everything is and still not be boxed in; including where TMC goes instead of flat out ignoring it.

[SOAP]

Everything just relates back to OoT as either a prequel or sequel. Timeline solved. Forever.

[ganonlord6000]

Everything just relates back to OoT as either a prequel or sequel. Timeline solved. Forever.

In the long run, pretty much. Especially since every single one of the 3D games seen to fall into that category.

[SOAP]

Everything just relates back to OoT as either a prequel or sequel. Timeline solved. Forever.

In the long run, pretty much. Especially since every single one of the 3D games seen to fall into that category.

The old 2D games too. AoL towns supposedly being named after the OoT Sages. OoT maybe/maybe not being the seal war. I wouldn't be surprised if LA was related to OoT somehow.

Edited by SOAP, 28 July 2011 - 10:21 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

Everything just relates back to OoT as either a prequel or sequel. Timeline solved. Forever.

In the long run, pretty much. Especially since every single one of the 3D games seen to fall into that category.

The old 2D games too. AoL towns supposedly being named after the OoT Sages. OoT maybe/maybe not being the seal war. I wouldn't be surprised if LA was related to OoT somehow.

But the 2D games are more indirect, while the 3D games make it very obvious that they're connected with OOT.