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[Hana-Nezumi]

I'm not sure if others have timelines like this, but here I go anyways... ^^;


...............WW(TT)-PH-ST-(FPTRR)
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TMC-OOT
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................MM-(SCII-SSB-SSBM)-TP(LCT)-(SSBB)-FS-FSA-ALttP-(AST)-LA-(sz)-LoZ-AoL-(FoE-WoG-ZA)-OoX

(Please don't kill me for including non-canon games! It's just for fun!)


*I have OoT splitting off into WW in the Adult timeline and MM then TP in the Child timeline because that much has pretty much been confirmed by creator comments.

*I put FSA before ALttP because FSA is when Ganon gets his trident and because of the many other connections it has with ALttP. FSA's Ganon is a new (reincarnated) Ganon because his origin doesn't match up with the one in OoT.

*I have two theories as to how the Imprisoning War could fit into this timeline. It could be a story referencing a combination of events that happened before ALttP: the interlopers, OoT, and FSA. Or the IW could take place sometime between FSA and ALttP.

*LA is after ALttP because of the evidence that Link is ALttP's Link.

*TMC is first because it, and its backstory, show the origin of many things seen throughout the series.

*I have OoX last because of the only scene we see in Hyrule. Link appears to find the Triforce in a long-forgotten unguarded castle in the middle of a forest, which I can't really imagine being the case anywhere in the timeline except for many years after AoL. Also, this is a new Link, as he doesn't know Zelda.

[Average Gamer]

Non-canon games aside, that's a pretty solid, reasonable timeline.

I have two theories as to how the Imprisoning War could fit into this timeline. It could be a story referencing a combination of events that happened before ALttP: the interlopers, OoT, and FSA. Or the IW could take place sometime between FSA and ALttP.

Personally, I believe the latter option to be more likely, as it's less complicated and, more importantly, the maidens, Sahasrahla, etc. are actually telling Link the truth when they're informing him of what's going on. With the former option, Link ultimately doesn't learn anything about the current situation, as the story wouldn't correlate very well to the events occurring in ALttP.

I have OoX last because of the only scene we see in Hyrule. Link appears to find the Triforce in a long-forgotten unguarded castle in the middle of a forest, which I can't really imagine being the case anywhere in the timeline except for many years after AoL. Also, this is a new Link, as he doesn't know Zelda.

I agree with your placement, but I don't think the castle was unguarded. The Triforce probably led Link past the guards and to its chamber.

[MikePetersSucks]

It's a pretty good timeline. The only thing I'd criticize is that it's hard to tell how you're grouping up the Links together. Which Links from which games do you believe are the same? As you can see in my timeline, I not only use colors as a signifier, but also have, like, OOT/MM, to signify a shared Link/Zelda/whatever.

[Hana-Nezumi]

It's a pretty good timeline. The only thing I'd criticize is that it's hard to tell how you're grouping up the Links together. Which Links from which games do you believe are the same? As you can see in my timeline, I not only use colors as a signifier, but also have, like, OOT/MM, to signify a shared Link/Zelda/whatever.

Ah yes, I suppose I should make note of that.


...............WW/PH-ST
.............../
TMC-OOT
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................MM-TP-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA-(sz)-LoZ/AoL-OoX

Here, I've put slashes to indicate two games that have the same Link and Zelda.

As for Ganon, I believe that he was reborn before FSA, because of his different backstory. Any other time Ganon returns after (apparently) dying, it's possible he was revived by his minions or through his own magic. Or he could have been reborn again, doesn't really matter.

[SOAP]

Non-canon games aside, that's a pretty solid, reasonable timeline.

Even with the non-canon games, it's still logically sound. The non-canon games are pretty much in places that make sense if they were official games. SSB and SSBM feature OoT Link so it mkes sense taht they take place after MM. Heck maybe that's what happened to him after MM. He went on to be a contender in some cross-Nintendo-Universe tournament. Mystery solved! SSBB have TP Link so maybe it takes place after TP. It's a logical place as any. AST I think has been sorta confirmed to take place between ALttP and LA, and maybe parallel to LA actually. Can't remember the source for that but there's nowhere else to put it. The CDi-games can fit almost anywhere I guess. They don't really relate to anything else in the games though they seem like they were trying to emulate the cartoon which is based off LoZ so... after LOZ makes sense. SCII is the only one that I don't where it should fit. It could be after OoT but some of his weapons belong to LoZ Link.

All in all, good timeline. Pretty much the standard around here though, including FSA's placement. [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of people place it pre-ALttP for those same reasons.

[joeymartin64]

All of a characters' weapons aren't considered canon within the Soul Calibur series. Everyone in II has access to a completed Soul Edge, for instance, which obviously isn't true. Considering what actually happened/continues to happen in the SC canon (II-IV are all set back to back all within the same year), it'd be some serious fanwank (fun fanwank, though) to justify Link's appearance. Unless you'd just want to say "Link's ending happened, actual SC canon doesn't apply" or something. Actually, typing this has caused an idea to form in my head, but I think I'll keep it holstered for now while I mull it over.

Edited by joeymartin64, 07 June 2011 - 07:09 PM.

[Volvagia_slayer]

As has already been said, this is a solid timeline, even with the non-canon games included. I'm not sure why you chose to include the Smash games though. It's pretty clear in those games that they don't feature the actual characters, but rather only doll/trophy depictions of each character (though I guess SSBB's story mode might throw that particular game into question as to whether the characters are just animated trophies or if the characters are real, but they just turn into trophies upon defeat for some reason; SSB and SSBM don't have anything like that though).

Also, I agree that Hyrule Castle in OoX likely isn't unguarded, we just never see the guards. After all, we do see Zelda in a castle at the end of a linked game, and I doubt Zelda and the Triforce hang out in an unguarded castle (unless OoX takes place during Hyrule's Golden Age of peace and prosperity as foretold in ALttP (which I believe they do), and because of that fact no one seems to believe that any guarding is necessary). It's also worth noting, IMO, that we are specifically told in OoX's instruction booklet that the castle in those games is Hyrule Castle, but LoZ/AoL don't feature Hyrule Castle, only the North Castle (and a variety of palaces). All of these things, and the conditions of Hyrule seemingly being well enough off to potentially match the Golden Age lead me to place them after ALttP/LA rather than after AoL (but I could see it taking place after the latter).

[Fin]

Solid timeline, though I'm admittedly biased. That's exactly where I place the games, and probably where I'd place the non-canon games as well.

One reason I like to place OoX post-AoL is that the Triforce mark that appears on Link's hand is better explained by the mythology of the NES games than the other ones. And the Ganon resurrection plot, though technically feasible as an LttP follow-up, actually seizes upon dangling plot threads from AoL, so I think from a narrative standpoint it works best there.

I think the issue of a golden age isn't too big a deal. Link's journey in AoL was supposed to be about restoring Hyrule to prosperity, so I can imagine a new golden age post-AoL.

[Hana-Nezumi]

Non-canon games aside, that's a pretty solid, reasonable timeline.

Even with the non-canon games, it's still logically sound. The non-canon games are pretty much in places that make sense if they were official games. SSB and SSBM feature OoT Link so it mkes sense taht they take place after MM. Heck maybe that's what happened to him after MM. He went on to be a contender in some cross-Nintendo-Universe tournament. Mystery solved! SSBB have TP Link so maybe it takes place after TP. It's a logical place as any. AST I think has been sorta confirmed to take place between ALttP and LA, and maybe parallel to LA actually. Can't remember the source for that but there's nowhere else to put it. The CDi-games can fit almost anywhere I guess. They don't really relate to anything else in the games though they seem like they were trying to emulate the cartoon which is based off LoZ so... after LOZ makes sense. SCII is the only one that I don't where it should fit. It could be after OoT but some of his weapons belong to LoZ Link.All in all, good timeline. Pretty much the standard around here though, including FSA's placement. [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of people place it pre-ALttP for those same reasons.

Well, the Ocarina of Time itself plays a big part in SCII Link's story, so that's why I put it after OoT.

As has already been said, this is a solid timeline, even with the non-canon games included. I'm not sure why you chose to include the Smash games though. It's pretty clear in those games that they don't feature the actual characters, but rather only doll/trophy depictions of each character (though I guess SSBB's story mode might throw that particular game into question as to whether the characters are just animated trophies or if the characters are real, but they just turn into trophies upon defeat for some reason; SSB and SSBM don't have anything like that though).Also, I agree that Hyrule Castle in OoX likely isn't unguarded, we just never see the guards. After all, we do see Zelda in a castle at the end of a linked game, and I doubt Zelda and the Triforce hang out in an unguarded castle (unless OoX takes place during Hyrule's Golden Age of peace and prosperity as foretold in ALttP (which I believe they do), and because of that fact no one seems to believe that any guarding is necessary). It's also worth noting, IMO, that we are specifically told in OoX's instruction booklet that the castle in those games is Hyrule Castle, but LoZ/AoL don't feature Hyrule Castle, only the North Castle (and a variety of palaces). All of these things, and the conditions of Hyrule seemingly being well enough off to potentially match the Golden Age lead me to place them after ALttP/LA rather than after AoL (but I could see it taking place after the latter).

I just included SSB and SSBM because I figured that I might as well as long as I was including the other non-canon games.

The people of Hyrule seem to like constantly rebuilding Hyrule Castle, so it's not that big of a deal that there wasn't one at the time of AoL. But throughout the course of the series, Hyrule Castle always seems to be heavily guarded and and in a central location of the Kingdom. In OoX we get the impression that Link finds the castle in a place that is somewhat out-of-the-way (he appears shocked when he comes across it and it's in the middle of a forest) and it looks like he just walk right into the Triforce chamber without notable confrontations (because if they were notable they would probably be shown). So, it would be kind of weird to me to see that happening anywhere in the timeline between games where Hyrule is under constant attack and where the castle is always the middle of everything. Also, as Finbarr said, what Twinrova are doing seems to be a continuation of the attempts of Ganon's minions in AoL. I suppose those aren't terrible strong arguments, but there really isn't much at all to go on for OoX's placement.

[joeymartin64]

Actually, SCII doesn't specify that Link's ocarina is the Ocarina of Time. It just calls it an ocarina.Some people point to his in-game backstory and the shot of the Lost Woods in the opening as evidence that, despite looking like OoT Link, it's actually either ALttP Link or a composite character.

What I'm thinking is this (here's that idea I mentioned earlier): Link's SCII appearance is canon, but not in the greater SC canon (Cervantes, the Azure Knight, Raphael going all vampire, ect.). The "another world" mentioned in Link's bio is the land (Zelda plays fast and loose enough with words like "world," "land," and "country" for this to work) where Weapon Master Mode takes place, and the story of that mode is what actually happened to him. Where it would go on the timeline, which Link it is, or whether it even is the same as any other Link, those are all things we could talk about. I'm actually very tenuously considering putting this into my own timeline, just for the hell of it.

[ganonlord6000]

That is a pretty good timeline. It is pretty close to mine, except for the placement of the four Swords games.

AST I think has been sorta confirmed to take place between ALttP and LA, and maybe parallel to LA actually. Can't remember the source for that but there's nowhere else to put it.

The source for that is the game itself. It is actually stated in AST that it takes place at the same time as LA. It doesn't say it directly, but it's implied.

[ZeldaZealot]

It is nicely made for a timeline that has almost all of the non-canon games in it.(ZZ thinks you are missing a few of the Tingle games that never released from Japan.)

The only thing that he think is wrong with it(that others haven't pointed out.) is SSBB which features Twilight Princess Link and Wind Waker Link, both of which lives on separate tiemlines, and there is no real way of explaining it unless you go with trophies, which then forces you to take SSB and SSBM out.

[Showsni]

But what about the Zelda Game and Watch? (And the Game Watch! And the cereal! And the CYOA books!)

Seems like a nice enough timeline, though (as ever) I don't like Sleeping Zelda being so late in it. Note that ZA doesn't have to go after AoG/FoE; it can fit just about anywhere, but definitely isn't the same Link/Zelda as in the other two.

[Hana-Nezumi]

It is nicely made for a timeline that has almost all of the non-canon games in it.(ZZ thinks you are missing a few of the Tingle games that never released from Japan.)The only thing that he think is wrong with it(that others haven't pointed out.) is SSBB which features Twilight Princess Link and Wind Waker Link, both of which lives on separate tiemlines, and there is no real way of explaining it unless you go with trophies, which then forces you to take SSB and SSBM out.

I had a feeling there were more Tingle games that I was missing but I couldn't find any info on them and I didn't want to bother with having to research Tingle. XD And um... Wind Waker Link is not an essential character in the Subspace Emmissary, so he can be disregarded.

But what about the Zelda Game and Watch? (And the Game Watch! And the cereal! And the CYOA books!)Seems like a nice enough timeline, though (as ever) I don't like Sleeping Zelda being so late in it. Note that ZA doesn't have to go after AoG/FoE; it can fit just about anywhere, but definitely isn't the same Link/Zelda as in the other two.

Zelda Game and Watch is a remake of LoZ so it's in the same place as LoZ. Umm the CYOA books can take place during LOZ I guess... and the cartoon after AoL... Okay let's not go overboard.

I don't like the sleeping Zelda being so late either, because she WAS supposed to be the first Zelda. But that's not possible anymore because the sleeping Zelda's father hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace, and it had to have been there the whole time because it's still there in AoL. Yet the Triforce of Courage is still seen in other games with different Zeldas that take place before AoL.

Edited by Hana-Nezumi, 12 June 2011 - 12:17 AM.

[ganonlord6000]

It is nicely made for a timeline that has almost all of the non-canon games in it.(ZZ thinks you are missing a few of the Tingle games that never released from Japan.)The only thing that he think is wrong with it(that others haven't pointed out.) is SSBB which features Twilight Princess Link and Wind Waker Link, both of which lives on separate tiemlines, and there is no real way of explaining it unless you go with trophies, which then forces you to take SSB and SSBM out.

I had a feeling there were more Tingle games that I was missing but I couldn't find any info on them and I didn't want to bother with having to research Tingle. XD And um... Wind Waker Link is not an essential character in the Subspace Emmissary, so he can be disregarded.

But what about the Zelda Game and Watch? (And the Game Watch! And the cereal! And the CYOA books!)Seems like a nice enough timeline, though (as ever) I don't like Sleeping Zelda being so late in it. Note that ZA doesn't have to go after AoG/FoE; it can fit just about anywhere, but definitely isn't the same Link/Zelda as in the other two.

Zelda Game and Watch is a remake of LoZ so it's in the same place as LoZ. Umm the CYOA books can take place during LOZ I guess... and the cartoon after AoL... Okay let's not go overboard.

I don't like the sleeping Zelda being so late either, because she WAS supposed to be the first Zelda. But that's not possible anymore because the sleeping Zelda's father hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace, and it had to have been there the whole time because it's still there in AoL. Yet the Triforce of Courage is still seen in other games with different Zeldas that take place before AoL.

Actually, G&W Zelda is not a remake of LOZ. It's an entirely different game. It more than likely goes after LOZ. You're probably confusing it with the Satlview remake. While we're at it, lets throw in the Capain N episodes with Link in them. Trying to fit the non-canon stuff in is more fun than I thought.