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[SOAP]

Since SS is just around the corner and there's been speculations thrown around already, I thought we could put them all in one thread. Even if it's just for fun or just some baseless idea you've been kick about.

Some things about SS I've been thinking about is how Link goes back and forth from Skyloft to Hyrule, specifically the getting back to Skyloft part. Getting to Hyrule seems straight forward if the first teaser trailer where Link leaps off a cliff is any indications. But how does he get back up? Link won't fly nor will he ride a flying creature (or at least a Pegasus-style Epona has already been ruled out by the creators). That leaves portals and possibly canons. The former has been done to death in the series. The latter seems a bit silly but that's how it's done in TP.

I've also been wondering what happens to Skyloft where it's not mentioned agin in the rest of the series. Does it get destroyed? Do the people abandon it and settle on Hyrule? Do the remnants of this civilization become the Palace of the Winds and the City in the Sky ruins we see in other games?

I have my own guess that answers both sets of questions:

Link doesn't go back to Skyloft. Skyloft comes to him. At least piece by piece.

What we're told about Skyloft is that it was once part of Hyrule but the something happened, the two got separated, and the people of Skyloft forgot all about the land below up until Link discovers there's land beneath the clouds early on in the game. What if we're supoose to take that statement at face value. Skyloft is literally chunks of Hyrule that through some sort of Applied Phlebotinum manages to stay suspended above a bank of clouds and Link's civilization thrives there. Or it could be a completely artificial structure kinda like the City in the Sky, only bigger. Anyways, Link sky dives to Hyrule, lands safely somehow, beats a temple and activates a mechanism that guides a chunk of skyloft over that region down to Hyrule. Once he gets back on that piece of Skyloft, it raises back to the sky and rejoins the cluster. Link then must travel to another island on Skyloft to go to another region of Hyrule. Eventually maybe these chunks of Skyloft all eventually merge back with Hyrule permanently, healing the divide once and for all.

Another way I can see it is if Skyloft only consists of one whole structure, then it acts more like a ship of sorts or rather a mobile station: decending, ascending, and sailing through the clouds. Maybe Link finds a way to control Skyloft remotely.

It also would be pretty epic if Skyloft did a colony drop on the Big Bad at the end. The people evacuate beforehand in time and are forced to rebuild a new society on the ground that will become Hyrule.

Edited by SOAP, 12 April 2011 - 04:37 AM.

[CID Farwin]

SS is the IW. Skyloft is the SR.



As you can see, even the early artwork of the Sacred realm shows that it is in the sky.

And let's not forget that scene at the end of OoT, showing Link and Zelda in the SR and in the sky.


Therefore, Skyloft must be the SR.


Obviously, since SS deals with the creation of the MS, it must involve Ganon.

Suspecting that Ganon's
power was based on the
Triforce's magic, the people of
Hyrule forged a sword
resistant to magic which
could repulse even powers
granted by the Triforce. This
mighty weapon became known
as the blade of evil's bane, or
the Master Sword. It was so
powerful that only one who
was pure of heart and strong
of body could wield it

--to be completed below--

Edited by CID Farwin, 13 April 2011 - 02:14 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

So now we're saying the Sacred Realm is literally in the sky? Alright. Whatever.

[ganonlord6000]

SS is the IW. Skyloft is the SR.



As you can see, even the early artwork of the Sacred realm shows that it is in the sky.

And let's not forget that scene at the end of OoT, showing Link and Zelda in the SR and in the sky.


Therefore, Skyloft must be the SR.


Obviously, since SS deals with the creation of the MS, it must involve Ganon.

Suspecting that Ganon's
power was based on the
Triforce's magic, the people of
Hyrule forged a sword
resistant to magic which
could repulse even powers
granted by the Triforce. This
mighty weapon became known
as the blade of evil's bane, or
the Master Sword. It was so
powerful that only one who
was pure of heart and strong
of body could wield it

--to be completed at a later time--

Not necessarily Ganon, but I think we might see either an ancestor or predecessor of him. As for Skyloft, I won't be surprised if it actually is the SR. One of my speculations for SS is that it will explain why the Triforce and the SR weer sealed off. Since the MS doesn't exist yet, the entrance to the SR would be wide open.

[ganonlord6000]

SS is the IW. Skyloft is the SR.



As you can see, even the early artwork of the Sacred realm shows that it is in the sky.

And let's not forget that scene at the end of OoT, showing Link and Zelda in the SR and in the sky.


Therefore, Skyloft must be the SR.


Obviously, since SS deals with the creation of the MS, it must involve Ganon.

Suspecting that Ganon's
power was based on the
Triforce's magic, the people of
Hyrule forged a sword
resistant to magic which
could repulse even powers
granted by the Triforce. This
mighty weapon became known
as the blade of evil's bane, or
the Master Sword. It was so
powerful that only one who
was pure of heart and strong
of body could wield it

--to be completed at a later time--

Not necessarily Ganon, but I think we might see either an ancestor or predecessor of him. As for Skyloft, I won't be surprised if it actually is the SR. One of my speculations for SS is that it will explain why the Triforce and the SR weer sealed off. Since the MS doesn't exist yet, the entrance to the SR would be wide open.

[SOAP]

So now we're saying the Sacred Realm is literally in the sky? Alright. Whatever.

Well, ancient peopel used to believe Heaven was literally in the sky, just above the clouds. so, not to weird of a theory. *shrug*

I think the SR will play a part in some way though I think it's entrance is on the ground and wide open with monsters all about, it's that's part of the reason's it cut off from the land above. Because a bunch of shit went down... down there. Kinda like when Ganon almost succeeded in conquering Hyrule in TWW's backstory but istead of flooding the earth, the Goddesses just whisk everyone to to floating islands in the clouds.

[MikePetersSucks]

Well, ancient peopel used to believe Heaven was literally in the sky, just above the clouds. so, not to weird of a theory. *shrug*

So when the Sacred Realm became the Dark World, a perfect mirror of Hyrule with a connected causality, the skies of the Light World weren't overcast by a huge shadow was because...?

[CID Farwin]

It's either literally in the sky (ala Okami's Celstial plain) or it gets sealed away in its pocket space/dimension/thingy at some point.

And did I mention that the sword is what takes you between Skyloft and Hyrule?

When the sword is leading Link and helping him do things, it actually transforms into a human figure. [In] the artwork revealed at E3 last year, that was the figure that was in that artwork. So basically the story evolves in his travelling from Skyloft to the land below, and back and forth, as he is lead by the Skyward Sword. As he travels, the story of how the land below came to be ruled by these evil forces is revealed.

Due to the 'led by' it's doubtful that it's exactly like OoT, but it's still worth noting.

Not necessarily Ganon, but I think we might see either an ancestor or predecessor of him. As for Skyloft, I won't be surprised if it actually is the SR. One of my speculations for SS is that it will explain why the Triforce and the SR weer sealed off. Since the MS doesn't exist yet, the entrance to the SR would be wide open.

If it's an ancestor/predecessor, then why not just have him be a Ganon/dorf? Especially since TP, I can't see them having a console Zelda Without Ganon/dorf.

[acronym='Due to the sheer impossibility, it must be true. ']And then, on a completely different note, there's this:


Bear in mind that Hidemaro Fujibayashi(who directed TMC as well as OOX and PH) is directing SS.

SS is before/the backstory of TMC.[/acronym]

Edited by CID Farwin, 13 April 2011 - 02:46 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

If it's an ancestor/predecessor, then why not just have him be a Ganon/dorf? Especially since TP, I can't see them
having a console Zelda Without Ganon/dorf.

I was referring to something like that. The main villain in SS might be the very first Ganon. I'd prefer the demon Ganon over the human one, though. He needs to appear in one of the 3D Zeldas. It would make sense to have some form of Ganon in SS since there isn't a single game with the MS (LA doesn't count since it wasn't in the original version) that Ganon isn't in. Since Vaati was involved in the creation of the FS, Ganon should be involved in the creation of the MS.

And then, on a completely different note, there's this:


Bear
in mind that Hidemaro Fujibayashi(who directed TMC as well as OOX and PH) is
directing SS.

SS is before/the backstory of TMC.

I've seen this one popping up a lot. If SS is TMC's backstory, then the debate over the placement of the FSS is just about over (there would only be one or two possible placements in that scenario).

[Snow]

And then, on a completely different note, there's this:


Bear
in mind that Hidemaro Fujibayashi(who directed TMC as well as OOX and PH) is
directing SS.

SS is before/the backstory of TMC.

I've seen this one popping up a lot. If SS is TMC's backstory, then the debate over the placement of the FSS is just about over (there would only be one or two possible placements in that scenario).

Eh, I don't see how that idea would work. The Skyward Sword is the Master Sword, not the Four Sword. Also, SS Link isn't a Minish, and I doubt we'll see him give up the sword to some random lookalike in the game and let him finish the final boss. Of course, you could argue that Link is the Hero of Men, but that's contradicted by the fact that Link lives in Skyloft (and, to some extent, that he wears a cap).

[Fin]

I dunno, I can see them contradicting those two points. The missing hat was more of a symbolic thing really, and there isn't anything in the Hero of Men story that precludes him from coming from the sky.



I personally doubt Nintendo are going with that, but hey, they could make it work.

[Snow]

Perhaps, but I don't see how they could switch the Four Sword with the Skyward Sword without really messing up Minish Cap's story in the process.

[SOAP]

They tried mixing the Master Sword arc and Four Sword arc before in FSA, or so some people say but we know how that turned out. It would to overly complicated if they tried to make SS tackle several BS at once. We also have people saying it's the BS to TP and will do with the Oocca and the Interlopers. All good guesses but I think they'll keep it simple with SS and just have a BS to the Master Sword, nothing else. They may however recycle some old ideas from TMC since it's the same director, maybe some unused ideas as well.

I guess no one fancies my colony drop idea.

Edit: Has anyone thought that the HOM story predates SS even. I know we're supposed to believe that SS is first and that before that OoT was always intended to be first but that doesn't preclude it's backstory from being before both. The door to the Minish Realm opens once every 100 years according to TMC.. It happened once during the HOM and once again during the events of TMC. There'd had to been at least one other time the door opened interim in order for the tradition to have started, and one more time to reconfirm the tradition, before TMC. So I gather at least 300 years passed exactly between the HOM and TMC. Lots can happen in 300 years.

How about this?

HOM --> SS --> OoT --> TMC --> TP?

Edited by SOAP, 16 April 2011 - 03:56 AM.

[SOAP]

Okay, old thread but dammit, we need some activity.

Here's my new theory in light of recent reveals. So spoilers ahead!

Spoiler

The red head guy that competes with Link in the bird race has a much larger role in the story. Some have speculated taht he is either a younger Ganondorf (extremely unlikely) or an ancestor (likely on his father's side since this guy doesn't seem to have a drop of Gerudo in him and his father could be Skyloftian for all we know). I think he has no direct relationship to Ganondorf but he may be intended as an expy of some sort. A foresahdowing of things to come. *cue cylon hybrid music*

Speaking of foreshadowing, I think the bird race is a metaphor on several levels. The most obvious is that it alludes to the whole battle for the Triforce in it's most general sense. Several men competing to be the first to reach a golden artifact. Can't get anymore obvious than that. Also add in the fact taht winner gets a date with Zelda, a shaman woman with mysterious powers of her own, she could represent the power granted by the Triforce.

During the race, the red head guy attacks Link in attempt to gain the golden bird statue for himself. He even starts boasting about how Link won't be getting in the way of his moment of glory. His blantant disreagrd for Link's safety and his sense of entitlement are very Ganon-ish indeed.

Later on, Link does eventually retrieve the Golden Statue and another weird thing happens. Zelda just jumps off Skyloft and Link, understandly shocked, rushes over to catch her on his bird. She reacts like it was totally normal, despite Link's worried look.

Also, part of the gameplay is the Siren Realm which si interesting for two raesons. One is entering it involves thrusting your sword into the ground in special magic circles. The other is that the Triforce symbols ONLY appear in the Siren Realm but are absent everywhere else even with the bird part of the Hylian crest being plastered everwhere.

I think these events foreshadow what comes later on the game, and this ultimate event is what alludes to the events of OoT. It follows as this.

The red head guy starts off as background rival character but eventaully comes under Ghirahim's wing due to their complimentary goals. Ghirahim wants Zelda and sees Link as an obstacle in his way. The red head guy wants to best Link anyway he can and doesn't seem above putting Link's life in danger in the process. Ghirahim manipulates the red head fellow into desiring the Triforce which is in the Siren Realm. As a demon, perhaps Ghirahim can not enter it himself but humans can. Perhaps he equpis the guy witha sword similar to the Skyward Sword that's able to open the Siren Realm to. Maybe Ghirahim IS a sword too (wouldn't that be very BLEACH of them) and that's why he needs the red head guy. Because he's just a sword stuck in the ground in the Siren Realm.

This leads to an ultimate showdown between Link and his childhood rival over possesion of the Triforce. Link eventually wins the Triforce but Zelda's life is threatened and he is forced to abandon the Triforce to save her.

Link manages to save Zelda in the end but it becomes apparent to everyone how lust for the Triforce's power can greatly corrupt people's hearts. Link must thrust his sword one final time in the ground, closing the Siren Realm for good. Where the sword rests becomes enshrined with a temple being build around it.

Edited by SOAP, 10 July 2011 - 12:34 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

I just want to chip in that Blue Girl/Phi being the Skyward Sword > Master Sword is confirmed and hot damn did I call it. Now all we need is a romantic subplotand my theory can be fulfilled in full.

[SOAP]

I just want to chip in that Blue Girl/Phi being the Skyward Sword > Master Sword is confirmed and hot damn did I call it. Now all we need is a romantic subplotand my theory can be fulfilled in full.

Well in an interview (I think it was one of the Iwata Asks ones) the craetors said it's storyline it's supposed to be like a high school drama so....

[ganonlord6000]

Okay, old thread but dammit, we need some activity.

Here's my new theory in light of recent reveals. So spoilers ahead!

Spoiler

The red head guy that competes with Link in the bird race has a much larger role in the story. Some have speculated taht he is either a younger Ganondorf (extremely unlikely) or an ancestor (likely on his father's side since this guy doesn't seem to have a drop of Gerudo in him and his father could be Skyloftian for all we know). I think he has no direct relationship to Ganondorf but he may be intended as an expy of some sort. A foresahdowing of things to come. *cue cylon hybrid music*

Speaking of foreshadowing, I think the bird race is a metaphor on several levels. The most obvious is that it alludes to the whole battle for the Triforce in it's most general sense. Several men competing to be the first to reach a golden artifact. Can't get anymore obvious than that. Also add in the fact taht winner gets a date with Zelda, a shaman woman with mysterious powers of her own, she could represent the power granted by the Triforce.

During the race, the red head guy attacks Link in attempt to gain the golden bird statue for himself. He even starts boasting about how Link won't be getting in the way of his moment of glory. His blantant disreagrd for Link's safety and his sense of entitlement are very Ganon-ish indeed.

Later on, Link does eventually retrieve the Golden Statue and another weird thing happens. Zelda just jumps off Skyloft and Link, understandly shocked, rushes over to catch her on his bird. She reacts like it was totally normal, despite Link's worried look.

Also, part of the gameplay is the Siren Realm which si interesting for two raesons. One is entering it involves thrusting your sword into the ground in special magic circles. The other is that the Triforce symbols ONLY appear in the Siren Realm but are absent everywhere else even with the bird part of the Hylian crest being plastered everwhere.

I think these events foreshadow what comes later on the game, and this ultimate event is what alludes to the events of OoT. It follows as this.

The red head guy starts off as background rival character but eventaully comes under Ghirahim's wing due to their complimentary goals. Ghirahim wants Zelda and sees Link as an obstacle in his way. The red head guy wants to best Link anyway he can and doesn't seem above putting Link's life in danger in the process. Ghirahim manipulates the red head fellow into desiring the Triforce which is in the Siren Realm. As a demon, perhaps Ghirahim can not enter it himself but humans can. Perhaps he equpis the guy witha sword similar to the Skyward Sword that's able to open the Siren Realm to. Maybe Ghirahim IS a sword too (wouldn't that be very BLEACH of them) and that's why he needs the red head guy. Because he's just a sword stuck in the ground in the Siren Realm.

This leads to an ultimate showdown between Link and his childhood rival over possesion of the Triforce. Link eventually wins the Triforce but Zelda's life is threatened and he is forced to abandon the Triforce to save her.

Link manages to save Zelda in the end but it becomes apparent to everyone how lust for the Triforce's power can greatly corrupt people's hearts. Link must thrust his sword one final time in the ground, closing the Siren Realm for good. Where the sword rests becomes enshrined with a temple being build around it.

This does seem like something that could work out. I'm suspecting that Ghirahim and his group are probably after either the Triforce, possibly the Light Force, or both.

I even have a few speculations in regards to Ganon.

SS is supposed to touch upon why Ganondorf appeared in OOT, right? I have a few guesses as to how that might work out. One might be that the true villain of SS might be the very first Ganon, who may be the original owner of the trident used in FSA, and he might die in this game and allude to his return in many forms in the future. It might even explain the origins of the trident if we're lucky. Another piece of speculation is that Twinrova might have a role in this game providing it isn't more than 400 years before OOT,and that Ganondorf might've been a way for Twinrova to exact revenge on the people of Hyrule. That's providing that Twinrova might be a part of Ghirahim's group.

Your idea could work as well, SOAP. Maybe the rival could be the demon Ganon's first human host?

If we keep this up, this thread can last at least a month or two. If we're lucky, anyway.

[Hana-Nezumi]

Coincidence?

[Nerushi]

Coincidence?

Nah. Aghanim was the first thing I thought of when I first heard Ghirahim's name. It is probably a deliberate reference, but it doesn't necessarily imply that they are related or so.

Though, considering the similar skin tone, color code of the dresses ( red & yellow ), plus the name allusion, I'd say the chances of them coming from the same tribe or organization likely. Perhaps the notorious tribe of evil will finally be addressed.



Or Nintendo are just trolling us with half assed references that are never resolved, as usual.

Edited by Nerushi, 11 July 2011 - 09:21 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Maybe the rival could be the demon Ganon's first human host?

This idea never made any sense to me. It just trivializes Ganondorf as a character and makes him a mere two-bit crook instead of the King of Darkness of humble origins. It makes him pointless because it ruins the aesop of what greed can do to people.

[ganonlord6000]

Maybe the rival could be the demon Ganon's first human host?

This idea never made any sense to me. It just trivializes Ganondorf as a character and makes him a mere two-bit crook instead of the King of Darkness of humble origins. It makes him pointless because it ruins the aesop of what greed can do to people.

Maybe greed is what allows the demon to take control? In that scenario, the multiple Ganon theory makes more sense.

Nah. Aghanim was the first thing I thought of when I first heard Ghirahim's name. It is probably a deliberate reference, but it doesn't necessarily imply that they are related or so.

Though, considering the similar skin tone, color code of the dresses ( red & yellow ), plus the name allusion, I'd say the chances of them coming from the same tribe or organization likely. Perhaps the notorious tribe of evil will finally be addressed.

I noticed that as well. There is a strong chance that the dark tribe mentioned throughout the series will appear in SS, especially given Ghirahim's resemblance to the twili.

[MikePetersSucks]

Maybe greed is what allows the demon to take control? In that scenario, the multiple Ganon theory makes more sense.

That's still trivializing it. "Don't be greedy or you'll be possessed by demons." I don't know it...kind of makes light of the true terrors of human evil and such bastards mortals can become in the pursuit of power. Add in that there's no good reason to believe in some 'demon Ganon' in the first place.

[ganonlord6000]

Maybe greed is what allows the demon to take control? In that scenario, the multiple Ganon theory makes more sense.

That's still trivializing it. "Don't be greedy or you'll be possessed by demons." I don't know it...kind of makes light of the true terrors of human evil and such bastards mortals can become in the pursuit of power. Add in that there's no good reason to believe in some 'demon Ganon' in the first place.

True, but even I wasn't so sure about that idea. Now the ones I mentioned before the rival bit, on the other hand, seems to be more likely. At least from the way I'm viewing it.

[Average Gamer]

So, I haven't been to ZU or ZI in over a month due to college and my desire to avoid the SS hype train. Has anyone there come up with anything original or intriguing by any chance, or are they mainly just still being broken records and making up BS about Ganon getting punked and the mirrors being the same and so on?

[SOAP]

So, I haven't been to ZU or ZI in over a month due to college and my desire to avoid the SS hype train. Has anyone there come up with anything original or intriguing by any chance, or are they mainly just still being broken records and making up BS about Ganon getting punked and the mirrors being the same and so on?

Um, I don't know about ZU but DO NOT go to ZI. There's like a butload of spoilers there and I made the mistake of visiting the forums while my college classes started to slow down a bit. Big mistake. Big, big mistake. Theres things I know now I just can't unknow.

Other than that there's still people arguing over the Seal War. Nearly every topic turns into one of those.

[ganonlord6000]

So, I haven't been to ZU or ZI in over a month due to college and my desire to avoid the SS hype train. Has anyone there come up with anything original or intriguing by any chance, or are they mainly just still being broken records and making up BS about Ganon getting punked and the mirrors being the same and so on?

Um, I don't know about ZU but DO NOT go to ZI. There's like a butload of spoilers there and I made the mistake of visiting the forums while my college classes started to slow down a bit. Big mistake. Big, big mistake. Theres things I know now I just can't unknow.

Other than that there's still people arguing over the Seal War. Nearly every topic turns into one of those.

That get's very old, doesn't it? I noticed that when for some reason I decided to post on ZI again a couple of weeks ago. Simplicity doesn't seem to exist there. As for all of this new SS speculation, I find them to be an amusing read, especially the trident bits, but it is starting to get out of hand. Then again, I hear the other recent releases were just as bad. I know there is a slim chance that this much would be leaked when SS is less than two months away, and I doubt Nintendo will ever try to over-hype any game again after what happened with TP (anyone notice that the day SS comes out in the US is five years after the original release of TP, only off by a day?). As for what's going on on ZU, let's just say I just took a quick peek at the threads currently active there and quickly got out of there. To think I used to go there [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] to kill time...

Edited by ganonlord6000, 02 October 2011 - 12:54 AM.